[Bug 73840] Re: Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files
** Changed in: emacs21 (Ubuntu) Assignee: Michael Vogt (mvo) = (unassigned) ** Changed in: emacs21 (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Won't Fix -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/73840 Title: Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 73840] Re: Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files
I would have greatly appreciated it if the emacs21-common-non-dfsg package was the default for apt-get install emacs. I was interested in learning my way around the editor, and was somewhat shocked to find that while the tutorial was present, the manual was not. If I wasn't familiar with apt, and with linux in general, I would have had an annoying time trying to figure out why I didn't have some docs, and as has been pointed out previously, there's no good reason for those docs not being there. I'm not familiar enough with the (apparently pretty harsh) politics surrounding this issue to even fathom why someone would think that not including the documentation for an app, but allowing the app to be installed (especially with a program like emacs) would be a good idea, other than saving disk space. -- Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/73840 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 73840] Re: Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files
That did it! Thanks to you and all the Ubuntu team! I am a UBUNTU SUPPORTER!! Ciao, GF. -- Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/73840 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 73840] Re: Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files
Is this resolved? I still can't get to the info files, even though I am 100% up to date with Feisty on AMD64. This is crippling to sw developers. Thanks for your help. GF. -- Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/73840 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 73840] Re: Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files
gratefulfrog, All you need to do is apt-get install emacs21-common-non-dfsg. The fix in-progress is just to alleviate the necessity of doing this by hand. -- Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/73840 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 73840] Re: Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files
Hi mwolson: In apt, Recommends denotes quite a strong dependency. For example, the Debian Policy Manual section 7.2 says: `Recommends': This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The `Recommends' field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. All the modern apt frontends (synaptic, aptitude in both command-line aptitude install some-package mode and curses mode, etc.) pull in Recommends automatically. Apt-get when run from the command line does not, unfortunately, but IMO Depends still would be inappropriate here. If used, Ubuntu would forbid people from uninstalling emacs21-common-non-dfsg for any reason, e.g. to save on disk space in constrained environments. -- Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/73840 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 73840] Re: Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files
Michael Vogt said on 2006-12-15: For the ease of merging debian changes later I will just make emacs21-common depend on emacs21-common-non-dfsg. This will bring back the info files. Could you please use Recommends instead of Depends? (You see, emacs21 -common-non-dfsg contains important docs and text files, but still, Emacs works fine without it.) -- Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/73840 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 73840] Re: Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files
Jason: Actually, it *does* break things. M-x customize has countless links to the manual, which cause an error to be thrown when trying to browse them. Emacs has a very strong and not-easily-sundered integration with its manual, so it would be a mistake to only use Recommends here. -- Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/73840 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 73840] Re: Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files
Will this take care of the unpleasant placeholder files in etc/ as well? (see, for example, /usr/share/emacs/21.4/etc/THE-GNU-PROJECT.dfsg) This is also an important thing to take care of before the feisty release. -- Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files https://launchpad.net/bugs/73840 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 73840] Re: Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files
Thanks for your bugreport. For the ease of merging debian changes later I will just make emacs21-common depend on emacs21-common-non-dfsg. This will bring back the info files. Cheers, Michael ** Changed in: emacs21 (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Medium Assignee: (unassigned) = Michael Vogt Status: Unconfirmed = In Progress -- Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files https://launchpad.net/bugs/73840 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 73840] Re: Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files
Good point. Emacs without info pages is an issue especially when you want to use the built-in documentation. -- Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files https://launchpad.net/bugs/73840 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 73840] Re: Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files
** Description changed: The version of emacs21 that is currently in feisty (21.4a+1-1ubuntu1) has been crippled by Debian, and should be uncrippled in Ubuntu. Namely: info fiiles that Emacs users depend on for daily use have been removed, breaking the built-in documentation-viewing functions as well as many other links to documentation in the Customize interface. Additionally, several files (one of which is /usr/share/emacs/21.4/etc /THE-GNU-PROJECT) need to be restored in order to comply with the implicit wishes of the Emacs developers. There are several possible ways of fixing this. One is to make the emacs21 package depend on (*not* just suggest or recommend) emacs21-bin- common-non-dfsg, and ensure that the latter package installs the info files and the removed files from /etc in the proper place, removing any unacceptable placeholders that have been placed there by Debian (see, for example, /usr/share/emacs/21.4/etc/THE-GNU-PROJECT.dfsg). Another acceptable way of solving this would be to move the files out of emacs21-bin-common-non-dfsg and back into the emacs21 package. Since Ubuntu allows the distribution of GFDL'd documents and non-source- - code position statements, this change poses no problems. + code position statements, the changes I suggest here pose no problems. -- Revert Debian's removal of the Emacs info files and several other files https://launchpad.net/bugs/73840 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
