[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2012-03-16 Thread Lorenzo Bettini
my laptop does not seem to support ASPM:

dmesg | grep ASP
[0.963968] ACPI FADT declares the system doesn't support PCIe ASPM, so 
disable it
[1.328171] ACPI _OSC control for PCIe not granted, disabling ASPM

but it looks like it supports epb:

dmesg | grep ENE
[0.000241] ENERGY_PERF_BIAS: Set to 'normal', was 'performance'

so what could I do to reduce power consumption? with Linux battery lasts
less than 2 hours, in windows lasts almost 5 hours!

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2012-02-08 Thread madbiologist
The patch I mentioned in comment #241 is now also available in the
upstream 3.2.5 kernel, and more importantly for Oneiric, in the upstream
3.0.20 kernel.  PPA's of these kernels are available at
http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2012-02-08 Thread madbiologist
The 3.2.0-15.24 kernel in Ubuntu 12.04 Precise Pangolin repository has
been rebased to upstream 3.2.5.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2012-02-03 Thread Oussama Bounaim
Stilling facing this bug with sony vaio ubuntu 10.04.3 2.6.32-38-generic 
when i m using ubuntu the battery drop down in half time than windows

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2012-02-03 Thread madbiologist
Oussama - This bug is about a power consumption regression between
Maverick and Natty.  If you are using Lucid (10.04.x) then you have a
different bug.

The patch/es described in comments 236-239 will be available in the
upstream kernel 3.3.  Canonical has back-ported this patch into the
forthcoming Ubuntu 12.04 Precise Pangolin's 3.2-based kernel. Ubuntu
12.04 alpha 2 was just released today.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-11-15 Thread carlosv
Matthew Garrett proposed a patch for the ASPM Linux problem:

https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/11/10/467

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-11-11 Thread Jaxon
There were some more patches posted that disable ASPM on specific
hardware, like Microsoft does.

https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/11/11/178

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-11-10 Thread Jaxon
There's a tweet today from @michaellarabel about a kernel patch to fix
ASPM. It looks like this one:

[PATCH] pci: Rework ASPM disable code
https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/11/10/467

It applies to 3.1 source with an offset warning but no errors. I applies
cleanly to 3.2-rc1. I haven't tested bootup yet with the patch applied.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-11-10 Thread michaellarabel
Yes it's that patch that's fixed the out of the box ASPM support on
all of the hardware I've hit this afternoon -
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=linux_aspm_solutionnum=1

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-11-04 Thread piccobello
After some more extensive testing I cannot confirm the regression anymore on my 
Panasonic CF-T5: 
forcing pcie_aspm and manually setting powersave:

echo powersave  /sys/module/pcie_aspm/parameters/policy

solves the problem for me as well.
From /proc/cpuinfo:
vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
cpu family  : 6
model   : 14
model name  : Genuine Intel(R) CPU   U1400  @ 1.20GHz

I made a script for pm-powersave, attached as pcie_aspm, and put it in
/etc/pm/power.d

I made a table to summarize the results of the tests, reporting powertop 
results on 4 hours
Wakeups/s (lower=better), C3% (perc. of time in higest C state, higher=better), 
PLow% (perc. of time
at lowest CPU freq, higher=better), battery duration (hh:mm, based on 
battery-stats log), avg temperatures
of the two available sensors (estimate based on collectd graphs). All tests 
were run with screen brightness
10/21, dpms on (switching off the screen after 10min), wifi off (in normal 
conditions the battery lasts less then 
half the times obtained in the tests, but it's still pretty good).

Kernel  | Wakeups/s | C3% | PLow% | Power | Battery | Temp0 C | 
Temp1 C |  
2.6.35-28.50 +aspm 50.7  93.6 77.0 5.8W 15:15   
 38 39
2.6.38-11.50 +aspm 53.7  94.4 81.8 4.0W 16:23   
 37 38
2.6.38-12.51 +aspm a  47.2  94.1 84.6 8.7W  8:57
 38 42
2.6.38-12.51 +aspm b  46.1  93.2 70.24.8W 14:52
38 39

The thing I realized running the tests is that acpi estimate of battery state 
(and power) is not so reliable, 
therefore I had very different results with when starting the tests as soon as 
the charge was 100%, and 
when it was left powered for a few hours while at 100%. That was the only 
difference among the two runs
with 2.6.38-12.51, marked a and b in the table. As you can see, repeating the 
test after some time with the 
ac adapter plugged in gave me results which are comparable to maverick.

Thanks a lot to all contributors to this very long bug report!


** Attachment added: pm-powersave script to enable/disable pcie_aspm powersave
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bug/760131/+attachment/2585219/+files/pcie_aspm

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-29 Thread Kevin
Thank you Seth Forshee and madbiologist. As you suggested I created a
new bug ticket. bug #883403

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-28 Thread Pako
Current way of rendering the GUI is dependent on CPU power, so battery
on stronger processors runs longer, why, because the stronger CPU needs
less time to render the GUI, it's just like in vehicles, as vehicle has
more horsepower it consumes less fuel, because it takes less time to
achieve the speed, and because GPU is 10 times stronger than CPU,
battery on Windows lasts more. In Linux we hardly have Open GL 1.5.
support. So, I think even in this stage Wayland should be the default
server on Ubuntu because of this.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-27 Thread piccobello
@Launchpad Janitor (janitor) wrote on 2011-10-25:#229

thanks a lot, however I did test the new kernel from natty-proposed, it does 
not solve the problem for me.
It does marginally improve over 2.6.38-11.50, but it is still a major 
regression compared
to 2.6.35-28.50. For me the problem is not only reduced battery life, but also 
increased
cpu temperature (easily above 70C) which makes it difficult to work, and of 
course is
not good for the cpu. I'm now running some extensive tests with powertop, 
discharging
the battery completely, which will take some time, I'll post the results here 
asap.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-27 Thread madbiologist
@FrankSL - what CPU is in the HP 6710b?

@piccobello What CPU is in your PC?

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-26 Thread FrankSL
I have a HP 6710b laptop and still have this problem in Natty with latest 
updates. My system i a dual boot with windows xp, so I can easily compare 
battery life and with natty is way shorter than with windows.
Please tell me if I can provide any info.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-24 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package linux - 2.6.38-12.51

---
linux (2.6.38-12.51) natty-proposed; urgency=low

  [Herton R. Krzesinski]

  * Release Tracking Bug
- LP: #860832

  [ Alex Bligh ]

  * SAUCE: net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_netlink.c: fix Oops on container
destroy
- LP: #843892

  [ Jesse Sung ]

  * SAUCE: Unregister input device only if it is registered
- LP: #839238

  [ Leann Ogasawara ]

  * SAUCE: x86: reboot: Make Dell Latitude E6220 use reboot=pci
- LP: #838402
  * SAUCE: x86: reboot: Make Dell Latitude E6520 use reboot=pci
- LP: #833705

  [ Ming Lei ]

  * SAUCE: fireware: add NO_MSI quirks for o2micro controller
- LP: #801719

  [ Stefan Bader ]

  * [Config] Include all filesystem modules for virtual
- LP: #761809

  [ Tim Gardner ]

  * [Config] kernel preparation cannot be parallelized
  * [Config] Linearize module/abi checks
  * [Config] Linearize and simplify tree preparation rules
  * [Config] Build kernel image in parallel with modules
  * [Config] Set concurrency for kmake invocations
  * [Config] Improve install-arch-headers speed
  * [Config] Fix binary-perarch dependencies
  * [Config] Removed stamp-flavours target
  * [Config] Serialize binary indep targets
  * [Config] Use build stamp directly
  * [Config] Restore prepare-% target
  * [Config] Fix binary-% build target

  [ Upstream Kernel Changes ]

  * Revert drm/i915: disable PCH ports if needed when disabling a CRTC
- LP: #814325, #838181
  * drm/i915: restore only the mode of this driver on lastclose (v2)
- LP: #848687
  * cifs: fix possible memory corruption in CIFSFindNext, CVE-2011-3191
- LP: #834135
- CVE-2011-3191
  * befs: Validate length of long symbolic links, CVE-2011-2928
- LP: #834124
- CVE-2011-2928
  * gro: Only reset frag0 when skb can be pulled, CVE-2011-2723
- LP: #844371
- CVE-2011-2723
  * inet_diag: fix inet_diag_bc_audit(), CVE-2011-2213
- LP: #838421
- CVE-2011-2213
  * si4713-i2c: avoid potential buffer overflow on si4713, CVE-2011-2700
- LP: #844370
- CVE-2011-2700
  * Bluetooth: Prevent buffer overflow in l2cap config request,
CVE-2011-2497
- LP: #838423
- CVE-2011-2497
  * crypto: Move md5_transform to lib/md5.c, CVE-2011-3188
- LP: #834129
- CVE-2011-3188
  * net: Compute protocol sequence numbers and fragment IDs using MD5,
CVE-2011-3188
- LP: #834129
- CVE-2011-3188
  * x86, intel, power: Initialize MSR_IA32_ENERGY_PERF_BIAS
- LP: #760131
  * x86, intel, power: Correct the MSR_IA32_ENERGY_PERF_BIAS message
- LP: #760131
  * rt2x00: Serialize TX operations on a queue.
- LP: #855239
  * ext4: Fix max file size and logical block counting of extent format
file, CVE-2011-2695
- LP: #819574
- CVE-2011-2695
 -- Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski herton.krzesin...@canonical.com   Tue, 27 Sep 
2011 16:19:57 -0300

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Natty)
   Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released

** CVE added: http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-
bin/cvename.cgi?name=2011-2213

** CVE added: http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-
bin/cvename.cgi?name=2011-2497

** CVE added: http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-
bin/cvename.cgi?name=2011-2695

** CVE added: http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-
bin/cvename.cgi?name=2011-2700

** CVE added: http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-
bin/cvename.cgi?name=2011-2723

** CVE added: http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-
bin/cvename.cgi?name=2011-2928

** CVE added: http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-
bin/cvename.cgi?name=2011-3188

** CVE added: http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-
bin/cvename.cgi?name=2011-3191

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-22 Thread Pako
That's why Ubuntu should leave Xorg, urgently! Sooner, better. All of
the power, performance, hangs, freeze. will be fixed instantly when
Wayland comes up.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-19 Thread Nashvin
Hello everyone

I just want to find out if it is easy to observe this problem when using
Live CD distributions.  I want to try and test a few different versions
of distributions (using Live CDs, so I don't mess up my current setup).
Is there a difference in power consumption between a Live CD and an
installed distro?

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-19 Thread reini
Well, for one Live CDs tend to run drom CD, which tends to use a bucketload of 
energy over time...
I'm not sure if you can compare Live CDs to other ones, but you definitely 
can't compare them to a system installed on a hard drive.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-19 Thread madbiologist
@ Kevin and anyone else with an Intel Sandy Bridge CPU who is
experiencing even higher power consumption in Oneiric than in Natty -
further to comment #212, that issue is being tracked in bug #818830

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-19 Thread Carlos Moffat
Hello,

I have a thinkpad x200 (sandy bridge), and I don't think my experience
is very typical, but: I saw some of the same power regressions people
are talking about, but I stuck with the latter kernels (I'm using 3.0.4
from the mainline site) because the older, energy-saving kernels had
some trouble with the sandy bridge chip.

In any case, I was using Natty+Gnome Classic, but a few days I decided
to take the plunge and update to Oneiric+Unity, and low and behold, I'm
seeing *much better* power performance *with the same kernel I was using
before*. With Natty, I could barely get power consumption down to  maybe
13 W (no bluetooth or network, etc). As I write this, with bluetooth off
but wifi on, the laptop is drawing ~9W, and I still have 6h to go with
65% battery. Suffering occasional unity freezes, so not everything is
sunny, but...

One difference is that I set all the tunables using PowerTop, and the
version that comes with Oneiric has more tunables than the previous one.
Now, if I can only make them persistent over shutdowns and
suspend/resume cycles...

In any case, this is just to say that in my case, not everything is
about the kernel...

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-19 Thread tekstr1der
@Carlos: Do you mean to say you've got a ThinkPad X220 (sandy bridge)?
Or, as you stated, do you have an X200 (core 2 duo)?

This bug was originally reported regarding an X200s with core 2 duo, but
was highjacked and subsequently fixed only for current Sandy Bridge
processors. See comment #209 for a coherent explanation of the confusion
in this bug report.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-19 Thread Carlos Moffat
@Tekstr1der: Yes, I meant a X220. But my point was that I saw a
significant change in changing Ubuntu versions *without* changing the
kernel. But maybe it's an edge case.

Cheers.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-18 Thread madbiologist
@Julian - There are actually 3 power regressions discussed in this bug.
The biggest one seems to have occurred between the 2.6.37 kernel and
Natty's 2.6.38 kernel, when Active-State Power Management (ASPM) was
disabled.  This was done as some BIOS's have broken support for ASPM and
linux will hang on those machines when trying to use ASPM.  It was
therefore decided to play it safe and disable ASPM in linux for all
hardware.  This power regression is not very hardware specific at all -
it affects any machine with a PCI Express motherboard.

You can force ASPM by adding pcie_aspm=force to your GRUB boot command
line. This should work for many systems, but if your system's
BIOS/hardware is in bad shape, you may get system hangs.

The fix in comment #164 (on the basis of which this bug was marked as
fixed, in combination with comment #168) corrects a much smaller power
regression in EPB (energy/performance bias), specfically the value of
MSR_IA32_ENERGY_PERF_BIAS.  This in fact may not even be a regression,
but simply a new addition of support for an energy-saving feature.  It
is very hardware specific - MSR_IA32_ENERGY_PERF_BIAS was only
introduced in the recent Intel Westmere Xeon CPUs and the even more
recent Intel Sandy Bridge CPUs.

Older Intel hardware and non-Intel hardware does not use this MSR. You
can also check whether your system supports this feature by looking for
the epb flag in /proc/cpuinfo. Within the dmesg output should also be
ENERGY_PERF_BIAS messages, if being used.

It is worth noting that the original reporter of this bug has an older
CPU that does not support the energy performance bias MSR.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-18 Thread madbiologist
@ Tim Gardner and Leann Ogasawara - further to comment #209,
particularly the last sentence, I have reviewed this bug.  The author of
comment #168 has not tested the patch from comment #164 which you refer
to in comment #201.  They performed a package-upgrade to linux-image
2.6.38-11 (which version we are not sure) before the patch was even in
natty-proposed.  Comment #195 is vague, and comment #196 is about
hardware which does not support the energy performance bias MSR.

Therefore, given the large number of subsequent comments stating that
the patch has not reduced power consumption, and given the original
reporter (I am led to believe they are a Canonical employee)'s hardware,
can we really mark this bug as Fix Released, or even as Fix Committed?

However, marking as verification done for the SRU for the energy
performance bias MSR seems appropriate - I agree with comment #200.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-18 Thread Pako
@ madbiologist

So now we have to upgrade our computers with the latest intel hardware?

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-18 Thread madbiologist
@ Kevin and anyone else with an Intel Sandy Bridge CPU who is
experiencing even higher power consumption in Oneiric than in Natty -
that is yet another power regression and should be reported in a new bug
- see
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=linux_31_power_regressnum=1

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-18 Thread Pako
@ madbiologist:
Why Lubuntu last 4 and Ubuntu 1:45h. on my laptop? Same computer, same kernel.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-18 Thread Pako
Why would you need glxinfo? We talk about kernel power regression.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-18 Thread Laurynas Biveinis
One more data point. On my Lenovo ThinkPad T410 (so, same as in comment
#168) I was able to recover most of the Maverick-like battery life by
updating to the newest BIOS. Before the upgrade powertop showed ~25W of
battery drain w/o tuning, with pcie_aspm=force and all powertop
suggestions done it went down to ~20W, and after the BIOS upgrade it is
16-17W, which is only slightly worse than with Maverick.

It can be further improved, now powertop shows the soundcard x2 taking
1.7W and used 100% (when no sound is played), that I will report
separately.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-18 Thread Pako
madbiologist, Please answer my second question.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-18 Thread madbiologist
@ Pako re comment #213 - I think you answered that question yourself in
comment #197.

What is the output of lspci -vvnn on that computer?  And what is the
output of glxinfo |grep  render (without the quotation marks) from
Lubuntu and from Ubuntu?  Please attach the information to this bug
report (try to avoid pasting it into a comment if at all possible). Note
that to run glxinfo you will need to first install the mesa-utils
package.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-18 Thread madbiologist
@ Pako - I wasn't suggesting that anyone should upgrade their computer
to the latest Intel hardware.  Sorry if it appeared that way.  I was
trying to explain that the so called fix for this bug is in fact
limited to the latest Intel hardware.  I think it is unfortunate and
inappropriate that this bug has been marked as fixed when so many people
(including the original reporter) do not and cannot benefit from the so
called fix.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-18 Thread madbiologist
@ Laurynas - that is excellent news!  I'm guessing that pcie_aspm=force
now has no effect on power consumption?

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-18 Thread madbiologist
I was trying to answer your question.  But you are correct, this bug is
about kernel power regressions.  Therefore your question in comment #213
is outside the scope of this bug.  Please note that demanding an answer
to a question, or a response to a comment, as you did in comment #215,
is poor form.  We are/were all trying to help each other here.  Making
such demands might also be against the Ubuntu code of conduct.

I have no idea why Ubuntu uses more power than Lubuntu on your laptop
and I don't care any more.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-18 Thread Laurynas Biveinis
@madbiologist. It still does. The system runs at 19-20W without it
instead of 16-17W. Whatever the BIOS update fixed, it was not ASPM I
think:

laurynas@laurynas-ThinkPad-T410:~$ dmesg | grep ASPM
[0.498093] ACPI FADT declares the system doesn't support PCIe ASPM, so 
disable it
[0.788492] ACPI _OSC control for PCIe not granted, disabling ASPM
[0.792706] ACPI _OSC control for PCIe not granted, disabling ASPM

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-17 Thread Kevin
Based on the several comments above, this issue seems to be hardware-
specific. For now, I've given up using Ubuntu but want to use it again
as soon as possible so I'd like to create a bug ticket for my laptop.
Could anyone please tell me what information I should include
(preferably how I could as well)? Thank you.

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Re: [Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-17 Thread Seth Forshee
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 02:40:09PM -, Kevin wrote:
 Based on the several comments above, this issue seems to be hardware-
 specific. For now, I've given up using Ubuntu but want to use it again
 as soon as possible so I'd like to create a bug ticket for my laptop.
 Could anyone please tell me what information I should include
 (preferably how I could as well)? Thank you.

Kevin: The best way to create your bug is to open a terminal and run
'ubuntu-bug linux'. This will automatically attach the relevant
information form your machine to the bug when it is created. Thanks!

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-17 Thread Julian Kalinowski
Aside from the fact that this is unrelated to a power regression:
Is the ubuntu/linux power consumption bug really device-specific?

On my Thinkpad X60s, ubuntu uses at least 4 Watts more as Windows does: roughly 
12W instead of 8W (thats 50%) .
I haven't seen a single device since my good old T40, which actually consumes 
LESS OR EQUAL power when running linux.
Note the fact that Thinkpads are probably the best supported notebooks..

Now Intel claims to care about this (you all know powertop from 
http://www.lesswatts.org), but nothing seems to change.
I think, as some people already mentioned, as the ubuntu-community seems to 
care about mobile devices (it seems they do), they should care more about power 
consumption. Closing a bug without a solution doesn't do it for me.

Sorry for polluting this bug even more.

And btw, if anybody knows a (sub-)notebook (preferably featuring a
trackpoint) with minimal power consumption on linux , please tell me.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-17 Thread florin
Maybe this issue would need special attention from Apport application,
an if in it's code, to be able to add multiple sets of attachments on
the same bug (attachments from different people; as it is now, if the
bug is there already you cannot automatically attach your logs).  I
think  it will also be easier for developers to have it all in one place
than having hundreds  of separate bugs. This way we can also see the
development of it and you bet I am interested in seeing if there are
some changes, even for another hw configuration.

In the end, a bitter but true joke: Nowadays most of the computers are
mobile, so why should linux team care about mobility? Let's just wait
until Google will invest to fix it for Android (or maybe it's a scheme
to force paying private support). :)

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-16 Thread Jakbest
I HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM, BUT MINE IS VERY WORST!!! MY BATTERY STARTS
WITH 2:45 HOURS REMAINING (AND WITH A CORRECT ENERGY SAVER IT CAN BE
MORE THAN 3 HOURS) AND AFTER EACH 10 MINUTES MY BATTERY HAS 30 MINUTES
LESS.

CAN SOMEONE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS BUG IS A VERY IMPORTANT REGRESSION THAT
LET ME TO NOT RECOMMEND GNU/LINUX TO MY FRIEND WHO HAVE A
NOTEBOOK/NETBOOK? I CAN UNDERSTAND ALL BUT THIS BUG IS RELATED WITH THE
FIRST ONE: IF UBUNTU WANTS TO BE BETTER THAN WINDOWS THIS BUG MUST BE
RESOLVED, ELSE THERE IS NO CHANCE!! I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS VERY A PROBLEM
FROM 2.6.38 TO 3.1 (AND PROBABLY MORE) BUT I KNOW THAT IS A PROBLEM OF 3
RELEASE OF UBUNTU!!!

I WOULDN'T BE ANGRY IF UBUNTU WAS DISGUSTING, BUT IT IS A PERFECT SYSTEM
(WITH SOME PROBLEM OF COURSE) BUT I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE THAT
REGRESSION

Sorry for my English, I'm AN ITALIAN USER OF UBUNTU (THIS TO UNDERSTAND
THAT UBUNTU IS NOT A LITTLE AND NOT IMPORTANT OS)

WITH ANGER, JAKBEST

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-16 Thread florin
@jakbest
As far as I could see, it's mostly a kernel problem, so I guess making some 
pressure on kernel developers to manage a way around power management + better 
drivers.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-16 Thread florin
[(continuing idea)..] might be a good idea.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-11 Thread Tim Gardner
Herton - this patch would have come via stable had this kernel been in
the support window, so I think its OK to leave it alone. It does not
appear to be causing any regressions, and I've read reports that is has
made a difference on some platforms. There are likely multiple reasons
for increased power consumption, among which are mis-configured MSR on
Intel, increased usage of compiz and 3D graphics, pulse audio, etc.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-11 Thread Tim Gardner
This patch improves the situation for at least one person (#168) so I'm
marking this verification-done. Furthermore,  this bug report has become
unmanageable. We'll be looking at this issue during the LTS development
cycle, so everyone please start your own bug with your hardware
specifics attached.

** Tags added: verification-done-natty

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-11 Thread Tim Gardner
** Tags removed: verification-needed-natty

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-10 Thread Pako
@ Erwin Junge

How you get your result? ~6 hours in Ubuntu, ~10 in Lubuntu? or ~6 to ~10 in 
Lubuntu with a different kernel? 
However, Erwins test shows that there are huge difference in battery time from 
different desktop environments, thus, you can't get results based on kernel 
test only, because it's just a fraction from hundrets of other consumers, 
including: cairo, compiz, metacity, pixbuf, xorg, mesa, wifi, open-closed video 
drivers, Mutter, Unity, indicator applets... etc. 
Can someone test the latest kernel on Ubuntu 8.10?

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Re: [Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-10 Thread Erwin Junge
On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:29:21 -, Pako 760...@bugs.launchpad.net
wrote:
 @ Erwin Junge
 
 How you get your result? ~6 hours in Ubuntu, ~10 in Lubuntu? or ~6 to
~10
 in Lubuntu with a different kernel? 
 However, Erwins test shows that there are huge difference in battery
time
 from different desktop environments, thus, you can't get results based
on
 kernel test only, because it's just a fraction from hundrets of other
 consumers, including: cairo, compiz, metacity, pixbuf, xorg, mesa, wifi,
 open-closed video drivers, Mutter, Unity, indicator applets... etc. 
 Can someone test the latest kernel on Ubuntu 8.10?

~6 hours in Ubuntu 11.04, ~10 hours in Lubuntu 11.10. I agree that the
cause can't be known from this, since too many things changed all at once
going from Ubuntu 11.04 to Lubuntu 11.10. I don't have time to do more
tests right now, otherwise I would have. I'm still planning to do an
exhaustive set of tests of different Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Lubuntu/etc releases in
the future, but that's no something I have time for now or in the near
future.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-10 Thread Kevin
I tried Lubuntu and got the same problem. It's only 2 hours. I tested it
with Lubuntu 11.04 64bit. It was only a Live USB as all I got after
installation was just a dark blank screen. Although I used only a Live
USB, I upgraded the kernel.

I installed Ubuntu 11.10 again and can still see the same problem. What
should I do now? Open a new bug ticket?

My laptop is Lenovo E520 and has an Intel i7 2620M CPU.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760131/comments/184

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-09 Thread vervelover
Apparently, there is no fix for this bug yet, proof is here:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=ubuntu_linux_epbnum=1

Quoting the article:

What Canonical's kernel team says is the fix to LP #760131 is an
unrelated power fix done upstream to ensure that the
MSR_IA32_ENERGY_PERF_BIAS register is set to normal rather than
performance mode. The hardware in the original posting to the
aforementioned bug report does not even support EPB and is about ASPM
and other power changes causing the significantly higher power usage. As
these latest tests from the Sandy Bridge notebook show, the 3.0.1+
kernels can improve the power efficiency without degrading the system
performance, but will only help you if running the latest Intel hardware
that supports the energy performance bias feature.

I would suggest not to release Oneiric at all, you can't be taken
seriously with an OS eating laptop batteries twice as fast as it should,
no other non-linux OS was ever released with a bug like this.

But please, at least do not mark this as fix released.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-09 Thread Pako
Can someone test the same kernel on Xubuntu or Lubuntu, because It's а
little bit suspicious on how Ubuntu draw and render the GUI,  just to be
sure that everything is ok there, plus, there are almost 20 power hungry
non-kernel services running in background. Test!

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-09 Thread fejes
Just to add a counterpoint, I've found that things are more or less
working well for me with the new kernel - it's definitely better then
the earlier versions.  However, my biggest problem is the brcmsmac
driver being pushed out without power management, which appears to be
taking up to 5W (5W!) of power, and never less than (3.5W).  I realize
it's an unrelated bug, (I've filed it here:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/867869), but the
kernel is averaging 9-11W for the most part - which isn't too bad.

I just suspect power management has not been a priority for Oneiric.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-09 Thread Erwin Junge
I am now running Lubuntu Beta 2 with kernel 3.0.0-12-generic and at
least for me the issue seems fixed. I didn't do any actual wattage
measurements, but my time on battery went from ~6 hours to ~10 hours
(where it was before this whole power problem started).

Since this problem seems to be very hardware specific, I am running a
netbook with and Intel Atom N450 (CPU + IGP). No seperate videocard.

This bug probably should be split up into multiple other bugs for the
people still experiencing problems, with the split being based on
hardware characteristics. Reading through all of the comments suggests
that this has become a melting pot of multiple different issues, which
is counterproductive to the actual finding and fixing of said bugs.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-08 Thread Suhel
I've recently installed 11.10 beta 2 on my laptop {Dell Xps 15, i5, 6gbram, 1gb 
video card, 500gb hd) and its sucking my battery like a sponge would suck water 
I hardly get an hour of battery backup. whereas when I use Windows7 my battery 
lasts more than 2:30hours. 
I've the latest kernels upgraded and its not fixed. (who marked this bug 
fixed?)

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-08 Thread Pako
There are many reports from users about high xorg CPU load when using
themes like: Ambiance, Radiance, Dust, Human and Impression. Clearlooks
is the only theme which consumes lowest power.

One of the reported bug: Bug #595845

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-07 Thread Michael Larabel
Here's my findings on the latest power developments, for what it's
worth: http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=16496

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-05 Thread Dragoneyes
The kernel 2.6.38-12.51 don't solves the problem for me. I see a little 
improvement in battery life (from 4h to 4h30'), but powertop doesn't notice any 
reduction in power usage in idle. Moreover, the optimal battery life of my 
netbook should be about 6h. ( aspm parameter at boot does nothing).
I'm with a Zareason Terra HD (Intel Atom N450 and Wifi Link 5100).
I'm going  to open a new bug a suggested, but  with the oncoming release of 
Oneiric in a few days.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-05 Thread mejo
Unfortunately kernel 2.6.38-12.51 doesn't improve the situation that
much for me either. Maybe a bit, but I'm not sure about that. I was
surprised to find out that even pcie_aspm=force and i915_enable_rc6=1
don't improve power consumption anymore. Some months back
pcie_aspm=force still improved the situation for me.

My system is a ThinkPad T420 with Sandy Bridge i5, integrated i915 video
controller and running up-to-date Ubuntu Natty.

I compared the output of powertop with kernel 2.6.38-11.50 and with
kernel 2.6.38-12.51, both with and without the boot options, and with
and without firefox running. See my exact results attached.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-04 Thread Herton R. Krzesinski
This bug is awaiting verification that the Natty kernel in -proposed
solves the problem.

Please test the following way:
- Test the current 2.6.38-11.50 kernel in -updates. The problem should be 
present.
- Then update to the 2.6.38-12.51 kernel currently in -proposed. If the problem 
is solved, change the tag 'verification-needed-natty' in this bug to 
'verification-done-natty'. If this verification is not done by one week from 
today, the applied fix from comment #164 will be dropped from the source code, 
and this bug will be closed. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed 
for documentation how to enable and use -proposed. Thank you!

If you have a power consumption which is good/expected with 2.6.38-11.50
kernel, and it's bad with 2.6.38-12.51 kernel, likely there is a
regression, in this case please report here.

Regressions from another natty versions should be in a separate bug
report.

In case none of the kernels since natty release had good/expected power
consumption on your machine, likely you have a different bug from this
one (typically hardware specific requiring different fixes). It's hard
to isolate problems with all mixed reports here. In this case please
open a new bug as already requested.

** Tags added: verification-needed-natty

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-04 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/lucid-proposed/linux-lts-backport-natty

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-10-04 Thread Bartosz Zasieczny
On my Dell Vostro 3450 with i5 2410M Ubuntu can work over 4 hours
without any power supply. I just had to force ASPM to work and put echo
powersave  /sys/module/pcie_aspm/parameters/policy in /etc/rc.local. I
know it's an awful hack, but it works. Something should be done about
it. Battery lifetime should be maximized out of the box.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-30 Thread Ganesh S Hegde
i have not tested the patched kernel in natty but as far as oneiric goes
the power regression is significantly higher than it was ever in
Natty... i see 22 W idle and upto 34 W usage on normal browsing in
oneiric 3.0.0.11 which is the  Oneiric Beta 2 kernel... it was mentioned
in #179 that the fix has been released, but despite having a first
generation core i3-370M processor. I cant report a duplicate bug about
the same issue . Please fix it in Oneiric or atleast keep a seperate
older kernel based on 2.6.37.6 or earlier seperately for laptop
users.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-28 Thread madbiologist
Kevin - a check of the publishing details shows that the patch noted in
comment #164 is included in both the kernels you mentioned in comment
#181.

What CPU is in your Lenovo E520?

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-28 Thread bas india
I too having same issue even after upgraded the kernel version from 
2.6.38-11.48 to 2.6.38-11.50.
My system is Dell Inspiron1564 | Intel i3 Processor | 2GB RAM | Ubuntu Natty

Is the patch is system specific?

Awaiting for the patch since its affects my laptop battery life
significantly.

Thanks in advance.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-28 Thread Kevin
Thanks madbiologist for your answer.

It's Intel i7 2620M. It has an AMD Radeon HD 6630M switchable graphics chip but 
I turned it off by following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1752202
More specifically 
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=cf99e4261d426e3add7cb3413d0fd8f1p=10832728postcount=7
 and http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10803370postcount=27

I tested with Oneiric and its latest kernel but it didn't work. With Oneiric, 
it seems to drain the battery even faster.
I only tested it with Live USB but updated it to get the latest kernel and 
other software packages.

For now, I've completely got rid of Ubuntu and am using Windows 7 which
I really didn't want. On Windows 7, I have about 5+ hour battery life
whereas with Natty, it's about 2 hours (with Oneiric, it seems shorter).

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-27 Thread Kevin
Thanks Deltik, but as I said, I was using 2.6.38-11.51~pre201109230902 from 
https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/pre-proposed when I put the comment.
Wasn't it the version to which the patch was applied? Please correct me if I'm 
wrong. 
Anyway, I now have the 2.6.38-12 one from 
https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/pre-proposed and still have the same 
problem.

If I'm wrong, could anyone please tell me where I can get the one with
the patch applied? I mean for natty.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-26 Thread Leann Ogasawara
The patch noted in comment #164 was applied to Oneiric when the Oneiric
kernel was rebased to upstream stable v3.0.1.  It was subsequently
uploaded and available in Oneiric as of linux-3.0.0-8.10.  I'm therefore
marking the Oneiric task Fix Released.  If you are still experiencing
issues with regards to power consumption even with this patch applied, I
strongly urge you to open a new bug report as issues such as this are
typically hardware specific and will require different fixes.  Thanks.

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Oneiric)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Released

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-26 Thread Kevin
I do still have this issue with the kernel 2.6.38-11.51~pre201109230902 from 
https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/pre-proposed.
Please see
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760131/comments/172
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760131/comments/173
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760131/comments/174

Should I create a new ticket for this although I'm not using Oneiric but Natty?
If so, could you please let me know what kind of information I should provide 
to help the kernel team solve this issue? I'm so eager to help as I really 
don't want to use Windows 7. It's so inconvenient to use. Please help us use 
Ubuntu again.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-26 Thread Deltik
The fix hasn't been released for Natty. While you're using Natty, you'll
have to wait for a release.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-24 Thread philip khor
I really hope a fix will be committed as soon as possible in Oneiric. My
laptop's battery life is terrible and I get a prompt that I have
approximately 20 minutes left at 40%. The computer hibernates about 5
minutes later, even while using pcie_aspm=force. I'm using kernel
3.0.0-11-generic.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-24 Thread Tomasz Famulski
** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Oneiric)
   Status: Triaged = Confirmed

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-24 Thread Philip Muškovac
Please don't change the Bug Status randomly without commenting why. Also
don't touch a kernel bug's status unless you know what the states mean.

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Oneiric)
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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-23 Thread Dave Walker
** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
Milestone: ubuntu-11.10-beta-2 = ubuntu-11.10

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-23 Thread George
By the way, how do I uninstall the kernel ppa:kernel-ppa/pre-proposed
installed and get the old one back?

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-22 Thread Tim Gardner
florin - tip of the tree builds are performed daily and can be found
here: https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/pre-proposed

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Re: [Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-22 Thread ronexus
Whooo!
With the latest package-upgrade (i.e. linux-image 2.6.38-11) for Natty, the
Idle Power consumption reported by powertop on my TP T410 went down *more
than 50%*: From around 25W to below 12W.
It is also much cool and quiet again.

Just awesome, thank you all so much for the great work on this issue :)

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-22 Thread Bartosz Zasieczny
When this patch will be applicable in oneiric? My Vostro 3450 eats whole
battery in 1.5h, and ASPM workaround doesn't work.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-22 Thread Carlos Moffat
I have been using the latest stable kernels from mainline on my X220,
but I was curious to see if the power consumption was better with the
'pre-proposed' kernel mentioned in  #167. For some reason, however, the
computer would start but it would hang just after login in gnome (the
panel wouldn't show up), so I had to go back to 3.0.4.

Is this patch going to make it to those mainline kernels?

Cheers

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-22 Thread George
I've installed it with ppa:kernel-ppa/pre-proposed
But my laptop now seems to run hotter than before... :(

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-22 Thread Kevin
I've upgraded to 2.6.38-11.51~pre201109220902 in the kernel-ppa/pre-
proposed. Unfortunately, I don't think it works on my Lenovo E520. The
battery life shown is about 2 hours then it drains so fast while I can
have about 5 hours on Windows 7.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-22 Thread Kevin
By the way, I'm using Ubuntu 11.04 desktop 64bit.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-22 Thread Kevin
In my case, pcie_aspm=force doesn't seem to work either.  I tried it
after having kernel upgrade with the latest one from kernel-ppa/pre-
proposed and only through command-line modification when booting. I can
see PCIe ASPM is forcedly enabled in /var/log/dmesg but don't see any
difference.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-21 Thread Tim Gardner
** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Natty)
   Status: In Progress = Fix Committed

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-21 Thread bas india
Hi Anyone tested this fix? Awaiting for result. Anyway thanks for
Cannonical kernel team!!! - Bas

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-21 Thread florin
Was it pushed to ppa? I just checked and I  don't have any kernel
updates today or yesterday.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-20 Thread Tim Gardner
SRU Justification:

Impact: Since 2.6.36 (23016bf0d25), Linux prints the existence of epb in 
/proc/cpuinfo,
Since 2.6.38 (d5532ee7b40), the x86_energy_perf_policy(8) utility has
been available in-tree to update MSR_IA32_ENERGY_PERF_BIAS.

However, the typical BIOS fails to initialize the MSR, presumably
because this is handled by high-volume shrink-wrap operating systems...

Linux distros, on the other hand, do not yet invoke 
x86_energy_perf_policy(8).
As a result, WSM-EP, SNB, and later hardware from Intel will run in its
default hardware power-on state (performance), which assumes that users
care for performance at all costs and not for energy efficiency.
While that is fine for performance benchmarks, the hardware's intended 
default
operating point is normal mode...

Initialize the MSR to the normal by default during kernel boot.

x86_energy_perf_policy(8) is available to change the default after boot,
should the user have a different preference.

Patch: commit abe48b108247e9b90b4c6739662a2e5c765ed114 upstream

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Natty)
   Status: Confirmed = In Progress

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Natty)
 Assignee: Canonical Kernel Team (canonical-kernel-team) = Tim Gardner 
(timg-tpi)

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-15 Thread Vistaus
** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Natty)
   Status: Incomplete = Confirmed

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Re: [Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-02 Thread Ganesh S Hegde
i am running 3.0.3 compiled from source in natty , and not
experiencing any battery or heat issues... i get 11 -14 w max
consumption in ... and upto 19-20 W on AC,i have kept cpu freq to
'ondemand' and also i have turned on pcie.aspm=force, I guess the
issue is fixed in 3.0 kernel series i dint apply any patches, or
tweaks, just did a simple menuconfig.
the most important thing is laptop doesnt heat now (60 degrees in
2.6.37 v/s 55 in 3.0.3)
mine is a HP g42, Core i3-370M, 3GB DDR3,
hopefully i dint troll

On 9/2/11, fejes 760...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
 Even if that were so, when my laptop goes into battery mode, with all of
 the aggressive power saving modes throttling the CPU, etc, it's
 unacceptable for it to be running so hot.  I wouldn't normally care if
 it's plugged in and sucking up power, but when the power is supposed to
 be scaled back, it shouldn't be taking up more power ( even at the cost
 of decreased responsiveness.)

 In any case, as of yesterday, after a kernel update, my laptop is now
 consuming 14-17W of power when on battery, as opposed to the 19-25W it
 was taking last week.  While not as good as the 11-14W range I had going
 with Maverick, it's an improvement.  I don't recall seeing anything in
 the kernel changelog that would indicate a change to the power
 consumption, but I'm not a kernel expert.  In any case, I have not
 altered any of my power saving optimizations between the two tests, and
 I had used the force acpi trick much earlier on.

 If it stays this way for now, that's not a bad sign.

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 Status in Release Notes for Ubuntu:
   Fix Released
 Status in “linux” package in Ubuntu:
   Triaged
 Status in “linux” source package in Natty:
   Incomplete
 Status in “linux” source package in Oneiric:
   Triaged

 Bug description:
   This is a regression moving from maverick-natty.  With the same sort
   of light interactive usage, Battery life has gone from ~4 hours to
   2:45 or so.

   Running powertop shows the system in P-state Turbo mode 10-15% of
   the time.  Typically this was almost zero in maverick, 98+% of the
   time maverick was in the lowest state.

   wakeups reported in the 5-600/s range where previously (from memory)
   it was 200 ish.  i915 driver is high on the list.  This is
   irrespective of whether running unity or classic desktop.

   ProblemType: Bug
   DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.04
   Package: linux-image-2.6.38-8-generic 2.6.38-8.42
   Regression: Yes
   Reproducible: Yes
   ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.38-8.42-generic 2.6.38.2
   Uname: Linux 2.6.38-8-generic x86_64
   AlsaVersion: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.23.
   Architecture: amd64
   ArecordDevices:
     List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices 
    card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: CONEXANT Analog [CONEXANT Analog]
      Subdevices: 1/1
      Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
   AudioDevicesInUse:
    USERPID ACCESS COMMAND
    /dev/snd/controlC0:  james  2068 F pulseaudio
   CRDA: Error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
   Card0.Amixer.info:
    Card hw:0 'Intel'/'HDA Intel at 0xf262 irq 47'
      Mixer name   : 'Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa)'
      Components   : 'HDA:14f15051,17aa20ff,0010'
      Controls  : 16
      Simple ctrls  : 8
   Card29.Amixer.info:
    Card hw:29 'ThinkPadEC'/'ThinkPad Console Audio Control at EC reg 0x30,
 fw 7XHT24WW-1.06'
      Mixer name   : 'ThinkPad EC 7XHT24WW-1.06'
      Components   : ''
      Controls  : 1
      Simple ctrls  : 1
   Card29.Amixer.values:
    Simple mixer control 'Console',0
      Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum
      Playback channels: Mono
      Mono: Playback [on]
   Date: Wed Apr 13 15:03:35 2011
   EcryptfsInUse: Yes
   HibernationDevice: RESUME=UUID=bb479652-f524-4abe-b1b0-27646d6deebc
   InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat - Release Candidate
 amd64 (20100928)
   MachineType: LENOVO 7465CTO
   ProcEnviron:
    LANGUAGE=en_US:en_GB:en
    PATH=(custom, user)
    LANG=en_US.UTF-8
    SHELL=/bin/bash
   ProcKernelCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-8-generic
 root=UUID=266abe9a-19c2-4cc3-9ef7-238b729b6044 ro quiet splash
 libata.force=noncq vt.handoff=7
   RelatedPackageVersions:
    linux-restricted-modules-2.6.38-8-generic N/A
    linux-backports-modules-2.6.38-8-generic  N/A
    linux-firmware1.50
   RfKill:
    0: phy0: Wireless LAN
     Soft blocked: no
     Hard blocked: no
   SourcePackage: linux
   UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to natty on 2011-04-06 (7 days ago)
   dmi.bios.date: 11/10/2009
   dmi.bios.vendor: LENOVO
   dmi.bios.version: 6DET61WW (3.11 )
   dmi.board.name: 7465CTO
   dmi.board.vendor: LENOVO
   dmi.board.version: Not Available
   dmi.chassis.asset.tag: No Asset Information
   dmi.chassis.type: 10
   

[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-02 Thread fejes
I should probably have mentioned that I'm running Oneric, not Natty,
although I'm not certain it's fixed - I just wanted to note that the
3.0.0.9 kernel seems to have made an improvement.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-02 Thread Brad Figg
** Tags added: rls-mgr-o-tracking

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-01 Thread rockachu2
I seem to remember a kernel patch that increased speed and
responsiveness being added recently. Would this be the cause? cause then
it isn't a regression, just a utilization of more power to provide more
responsiveness.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-09-01 Thread fejes
Even if that were so, when my laptop goes into battery mode, with all of
the aggressive power saving modes throttling the CPU, etc, it's
unacceptable for it to be running so hot.  I wouldn't normally care if
it's plugged in and sucking up power, but when the power is supposed to
be scaled back, it shouldn't be taking up more power ( even at the cost
of decreased responsiveness.)

In any case, as of yesterday, after a kernel update, my laptop is now
consuming 14-17W of power when on battery, as opposed to the 19-25W it
was taking last week.  While not as good as the 11-14W range I had going
with Maverick, it's an improvement.  I don't recall seeing anything in
the kernel changelog that would indicate a change to the power
consumption, but I'm not a kernel expert.  In any case, I have not
altered any of my power saving optimizations between the two tests, and
I had used the force acpi trick much earlier on.

If it stays this way for now, that's not a bad sign.

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-08-31 Thread Martin Pitt
** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
Milestone: ubuntu-11.10-beta-1 = ubuntu-11.10-beta-2

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Re: [Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-08-13 Thread Matthew Hessel
Yes, I have the 5100

On 8/12/11, Tamran 760...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
 @Matthew: Are you by any chance using the following intel wireless card?

 Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh]

 One thing I have not seen mention until now, but have noticed is that my
 laptop is REALLY hot near my wireless card.  Even with the 2.6.34 kernel
 (which I've been using for a few weeks).

 Tamran

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 Title:
   Power consumption raised significantly in natty

 Status in Release Notes for Ubuntu:
   Fix Released
 Status in “linux” package in Ubuntu:
   Triaged
 Status in “linux” source package in Natty:
   Incomplete
 Status in “linux” source package in Oneiric:
   Triaged

 Bug description:
   This is a regression moving from maverick-natty.  With the same sort
   of light interactive usage, Battery life has gone from ~4 hours to
   2:45 or so.

   Running powertop shows the system in P-state Turbo mode 10-15% of
   the time.  Typically this was almost zero in maverick, 98+% of the
   time maverick was in the lowest state.

   wakeups reported in the 5-600/s range where previously (from memory)
   it was 200 ish.  i915 driver is high on the list.  This is
   irrespective of whether running unity or classic desktop.

   ProblemType: Bug
   DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.04
   Package: linux-image-2.6.38-8-generic 2.6.38-8.42
   Regression: Yes
   Reproducible: Yes
   ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.38-8.42-generic 2.6.38.2
   Uname: Linux 2.6.38-8-generic x86_64
   AlsaVersion: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.23.
   Architecture: amd64
   ArecordDevices:
     List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices 
    card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: CONEXANT Analog [CONEXANT Analog]
      Subdevices: 1/1
      Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
   AudioDevicesInUse:
    USERPID ACCESS COMMAND
    /dev/snd/controlC0:  james  2068 F pulseaudio
   CRDA: Error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
   Card0.Amixer.info:
    Card hw:0 'Intel'/'HDA Intel at 0xf262 irq 47'
      Mixer name   : 'Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa)'
      Components   : 'HDA:14f15051,17aa20ff,0010'
      Controls  : 16
      Simple ctrls  : 8
   Card29.Amixer.info:
    Card hw:29 'ThinkPadEC'/'ThinkPad Console Audio Control at EC reg 0x30,
 fw 7XHT24WW-1.06'
      Mixer name   : 'ThinkPad EC 7XHT24WW-1.06'
      Components   : ''
      Controls  : 1
      Simple ctrls  : 1
   Card29.Amixer.values:
    Simple mixer control 'Console',0
      Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum
      Playback channels: Mono
      Mono: Playback [on]
   Date: Wed Apr 13 15:03:35 2011
   EcryptfsInUse: Yes
   HibernationDevice: RESUME=UUID=bb479652-f524-4abe-b1b0-27646d6deebc
   InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat - Release Candidate
 amd64 (20100928)
   MachineType: LENOVO 7465CTO
   ProcEnviron:
    LANGUAGE=en_US:en_GB:en
    PATH=(custom, user)
    LANG=en_US.UTF-8
    SHELL=/bin/bash
   ProcKernelCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-8-generic
 root=UUID=266abe9a-19c2-4cc3-9ef7-238b729b6044 ro quiet splash
 libata.force=noncq vt.handoff=7
   RelatedPackageVersions:
    linux-restricted-modules-2.6.38-8-generic N/A
    linux-backports-modules-2.6.38-8-generic  N/A
    linux-firmware1.50
   RfKill:
    0: phy0: Wireless LAN
     Soft blocked: no
     Hard blocked: no
   SourcePackage: linux
   UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to natty on 2011-04-06 (7 days ago)
   dmi.bios.date: 11/10/2009
   dmi.bios.vendor: LENOVO
   dmi.bios.version: 6DET61WW (3.11 )
   dmi.board.name: 7465CTO
   dmi.board.vendor: LENOVO
   dmi.board.version: Not Available
   dmi.chassis.asset.tag: No Asset Information
   dmi.chassis.type: 10
   dmi.chassis.vendor: LENOVO
   dmi.chassis.version: Not Available
   dmi.modalias:
 dmi:bvnLENOVO:bvr6DET61WW(3.11):bd11/10/2009:svnLENOVO:pn7465CTO:pvrThinkPadX200s:rvnLENOVO:rn7465CTO:rvrNotAvailable:cvnLENOVO:ct10:cvrNotAvailable:
   dmi.product.name: 7465CTO
   dmi.product.version: ThinkPad X200s
   dmi.sys.vendor: LENOVO

   === Release Notes ===

   Due to a regression inherited from the upstream linux kernel, Natty 11.04
 can exhibit a 10-30% increase in power consumption.  This is a known issue
 which is actively being investigated.  A SRU will be released onced a viable
 solution is found. For more information, please see

 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=linux_mobile_uffdanum=1

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-08-12 Thread Tamran
@Matthew: Are you by any chance using the following intel wireless card?

Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh]

One thing I have not seen mention until now, but have noticed is that my
laptop is REALLY hot near my wireless card.  Even with the 2.6.34 kernel
(which I've been using for a few weeks).

Tamran

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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-08-11 Thread Erwin Junge
@Matthew

What I understood from your post is that there was a bug in your
wireless driver and you manually set the aspm bit which resulted in a
significant power reduction?

Sounds very dangerous to me (at least the stuff I read in that wiki
sounds way too prone to user error), but thanks for posting the info.
Maybe this could be used by someone more skilled in this than me as the
start of a workaround?

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Re: [Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-08-11 Thread Matthew Hessel
Yes, you got the right idea.

I don't know that it is really dangerous - worst case would be your
driver wouldn't load or lock up, a reboot would fix it.

My scenario works for the iwlagn driver, I don't know if you have the
same hardware.

It does make a 2 - 3 watt difference in power usage for me.

I don't know why this changed as it worked automatically in the 2.6.35
tree, but not now.   I have a script manually perform the setpci mods
before the kernel loads the iwlagn driver which takes care of it for
now.

On a different note, there have been a few posts for eepc's in the
thread,  the natty kernel didn't have the WMI modules enabled for
them. Maverick did, there was a commit in the oneiric tree that put
them back in - that should correct that issue.

If you run one of those, try the current kernel, I think it is 3.0.0-8
right now.


On 8/11/11, Erwin Junge er...@junge.nl wrote:
 @Matthew

 What I understood from your post is that there was a bug in your
 wireless driver and you manually set the aspm bit which resulted in a
 significant power reduction?

 Sounds very dangerous to me (at least the stuff I read in that wiki
 sounds way too prone to user error), but thanks for posting the info.
 Maybe this could be used by someone more skilled in this than me as the
 start of a workaround?

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 Title:
   Power consumption raised significantly in natty

 Status in Release Notes for Ubuntu:
   Fix Released
 Status in “linux” package in Ubuntu:
   Triaged
 Status in “linux” source package in Natty:
   Incomplete
 Status in “linux” source package in Oneiric:
   Triaged

 Bug description:
   This is a regression moving from maverick-natty.  With the same sort
   of light interactive usage, Battery life has gone from ~4 hours to
   2:45 or so.

   Running powertop shows the system in P-state Turbo mode 10-15% of
   the time.  Typically this was almost zero in maverick, 98+% of the
   time maverick was in the lowest state.

   wakeups reported in the 5-600/s range where previously (from memory)
   it was 200 ish.  i915 driver is high on the list.  This is
   irrespective of whether running unity or classic desktop.

   ProblemType: Bug
   DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.04
   Package: linux-image-2.6.38-8-generic 2.6.38-8.42
   Regression: Yes
   Reproducible: Yes
   ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.38-8.42-generic 2.6.38.2
   Uname: Linux 2.6.38-8-generic x86_64
   AlsaVersion: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.23.
   Architecture: amd64
   ArecordDevices:
     List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices 
    card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: CONEXANT Analog [CONEXANT Analog]
      Subdevices: 1/1
      Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
   AudioDevicesInUse:
    USERPID ACCESS COMMAND
    /dev/snd/controlC0:  james  2068 F pulseaudio
   CRDA: Error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
   Card0.Amixer.info:
    Card hw:0 'Intel'/'HDA Intel at 0xf262 irq 47'
      Mixer name   : 'Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa)'
      Components   : 'HDA:14f15051,17aa20ff,0010'
      Controls  : 16
      Simple ctrls  : 8
   Card29.Amixer.info:
    Card hw:29 'ThinkPadEC'/'ThinkPad Console Audio Control at EC reg 0x30,
 fw 7XHT24WW-1.06'
      Mixer name   : 'ThinkPad EC 7XHT24WW-1.06'
      Components   : ''
      Controls  : 1
      Simple ctrls  : 1
   Card29.Amixer.values:
    Simple mixer control 'Console',0
      Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum
      Playback channels: Mono
      Mono: Playback [on]
   Date: Wed Apr 13 15:03:35 2011
   EcryptfsInUse: Yes
   HibernationDevice: RESUME=UUID=bb479652-f524-4abe-b1b0-27646d6deebc
   InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat - Release Candidate
 amd64 (20100928)
   MachineType: LENOVO 7465CTO
   ProcEnviron:
    LANGUAGE=en_US:en_GB:en
    PATH=(custom, user)
    LANG=en_US.UTF-8
    SHELL=/bin/bash
   ProcKernelCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-8-generic
 root=UUID=266abe9a-19c2-4cc3-9ef7-238b729b6044 ro quiet splash
 libata.force=noncq vt.handoff=7
   RelatedPackageVersions:
    linux-restricted-modules-2.6.38-8-generic N/A
    linux-backports-modules-2.6.38-8-generic  N/A
    linux-firmware1.50
   RfKill:
    0: phy0: Wireless LAN
     Soft blocked: no
     Hard blocked: no
   SourcePackage: linux
   UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to natty on 2011-04-06 (7 days ago)
   dmi.bios.date: 11/10/2009
   dmi.bios.vendor: LENOVO
   dmi.bios.version: 6DET61WW (3.11 )
   dmi.board.name: 7465CTO
   dmi.board.vendor: LENOVO
   dmi.board.version: Not Available
   dmi.chassis.asset.tag: No Asset Information
   dmi.chassis.type: 10
   dmi.chassis.vendor: LENOVO
   dmi.chassis.version: Not Available
   dmi.modalias:
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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-08-09 Thread Matthew Hessel
@Erwin - not sure if you have this same hardware as mine, but I did find
what makes the difference for my laptop.

Natty running 2.6.35 kernel, can idle at 18.5 watts - runs ok, but I
find that power management screws up my primary drive when it goes to
sleep, will not wake up the drive at all, system just locks hard - on
Seagate Hybrid drive.  On Western Digital drive - no issues with wake
up.  realtek based intel-hda shows ASPM unknown and disabled

sudo lspci -vvv shows that most things run with ASPM enabled, iwlagn,
usb ports, half of the PCIE ports, and the video (Nvidia-running binary
blob)

Natty running default kernel 2.6.38 - Even with pcie_aspm=force, iwlagn
and the pcie root it sits on has ASPM disabled for some reason. intel-
hda still not supporting ASPM - Idle with powertop shows my system it at
21.5 watts.

Natty running current upstream oneiric builds, 3.0.0.8. ASPM is the
same, the kernel tweaks found after 2.6.38 with the idle changes helps
some, best idle level is about 20 watts

Natty running upstream vanilla from git.kernel.org, ASPM works for the
intel-hda card.  iwlagn still is not enabling ASPM.  Idle is at 19.8
watts

found good info at

http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/ASPM

using that page, I looked at the output from LSPCI for the wireless card
and the PCIe root for it, found that the bits were not set for aspm
(hex= 0x40)  I unloaded the iwlagn driver and changed to 0x43 for the
root and the iwlagn stuff, then modprobe iwlagn again..

ASPM then shows it is working, - and confirm it works with the 2.6.38
kernel all the way up to the upstream sources - 3.0.0.8 and the vanilla
source.

with the oneiric kernel, I seem to get the best results, 17.8 for idle
wattage.. better than the maverick sources.


the pcie_aspm=force is only a workaround needed if your bios isn't set up 
right.  if you run 'dmesg | grep OSC'  I see 

[2.061987]  pci:00: Requesting ACPI _OSC control (0x1d)
[2.061992]  pci:00: ACPI _OSC request failed (AE_NOT_FOUND), returned 
control mask: 0x1d
[2.061995] ACPI _OSC control for PCIe not granted, disabling ASPM


on the laptop, where it helps,  but on another desktop --

[0.716560]  pci:00: Requesting ACPI _OSC control (0x1d)
[0.717137]  pci:00: ACPI _OSC control (0x15) granted

where the pcie_aspm=force does nothing at all..


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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-08-08 Thread Peter Kornhuld
Hi,

On ubuntu 11.04, Acer eeePC, I included this into /etc/rc.local to
reduce power consumption by ~30%.

--
for F in /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/control; do
echo auto  $F
done
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[Bug 760131] Re: Power consumption raised significantly in natty

2011-08-04 Thread Kate Stewart
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Milestone: None = ubuntu-11.10-beta-1

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