[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2016-02-02 Thread Hua-Jung Chu
10.04 has the same problem, and should be Won't Fix.

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2014-12-03 Thread Rolf Leggewie
maverick has seen the end of its life and is no longer receiving any
updates. Marking the maverick task for this ticket as Won't Fix.

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Status: Fix Committed = Won't Fix

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2014-12-03 Thread Rolf Leggewie
natty has seen the end of its life and is no longer receiving any
updates. Marking the natty task for this ticket as Won't Fix.

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Natty)
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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2014-12-03 Thread Rolf Leggewie
oneiric has seen the end of its life and is no longer receiving any
updates. Marking the oneiric task for this ticket as Won't Fix.

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Oneiric)
   Status: Fix Committed = Won't Fix

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2014-06-25 Thread Vincent Ouwehand
This bug seems to be back in Trusty Tahr, i ran into the exact issue
described here just now, not more then an hour after updating the
system.

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2013-02-06 Thread Brian Murray
** Tags added: bot-stop-nagging

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2012-11-01 Thread Steffen Neumann
Hi, we're exactly hit by the problem Vincent described in #40,

This is happened to us on 12.04 and only appeared after an upgrade on 
24.9.2012. 
Please see 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2012-September/264199.html
for some more details.

The problem does not appear on 12.10 anymore, maybe due to the above
mentioned refactoring.

Nevertheless, not being able to run sysctl during network interface 
configuration 
seems badly broken. Is there a workaround, should this be re-opened or added as 
a new bug ?

Yours,
Steffen and Paul.

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2012-05-04 Thread Vincent Bernat
The proposed fix is quite disruptive. For example, if a sysctl is set in
/etc/network/interfaces (because it is network related), it will be
erased when procps will be updated. For example:

iface dmz.902 inet static
[...]
up sysctl -w net.ipv4.conf.all.rp_filter=0
up sysctl -w net.ipv4.conf.dmz/902.rp_filter=0

This setup worked fine before update and has worked for many years
without surprise. It may seem odd to disable all.rp_filter in
/etc/network/interfaces but enable it in /etc/sysctl.conf but those
files are not managed by the same people. /etc/network/interfaces is
managed by network people (and we use it to set exceptions, not all
hosts have the need to circumvent reverse path filtering) while
/etc/sysctl* are managed by the system people. /etc/network/interfaces
is managed by hand for each host while /etc/sysctl* stuff is managed by
some centralized configuration daemon (like cfengine).

There are other failing scenario: network may trigger the start of some
routing daemon that will enable IP forwarding which will be disabled
again by procps job. This can be quite racy.

In short, it seems wrong to modify sysctl settings in the middle of the
boot. Other jobs/daemons may have altered the settings.

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2012-03-14 Thread Clint Byrum
** Tags removed: verification-done verification-done-lucid

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2012-03-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Andreas, its likely that the update just fixed it for some use cases.
However, I would have expected it to fix your particular use case,
because your VLAN trunks should be up as soon as 'stopped networking' is
emitted, since that is emitted as soon as 'ifup -a' exits.

The error you see is likely because there are modules loaded later that
support your sysctl.conf settings, so some of them don't exist yet. It
shouldn't cause serious issues, but if you want to debug it, perhaps add
a 2 /run/sysctl.errors to see why it exitted.

As far as the libvirt issue, thats caused by libvirt's start on:

start on runlevel [2345] and stopped networking

This presents a potential race condition since 'stopped networking' may
happen after runlevel [2345]

Your best bet for a workaround is probably to add another condition to
procps so it reads

start on virtual-filesystems or stopped networking or starting libvirt-
bin

That will ensure that it runs before libvirt-bin is started.

I do actually think the fix for this is not complete, as we should still
be trying to set these sysctl settings before any services start on
them. I think this will require a larger refactoring, which we've been
discussing for the Q release cycle, so that there is a barrier between
bootup activities and starting of services.. and that would be an
abstract 'network-services' job.

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2012-03-11 Thread Andreas Ntaflos
Is this now really fixed in Lucid? As I have mentioned in comment #29 we
had applied this update from lucid-proposed and and continue to see this
error in /var/log/boot.log:

init: procps (virtual-filesystems) main process (670) terminated with
status 255

The initial problem remains the same, the sysctl settings do not get
applied in time.

We need to use this workaround in order to get VLAN trunks into Libvirt-
managed virtual machines (KVM):

/etc/rc.local:

# At this point automatic startup of libvirt-bin.conf is disabled, we start it 
manually below
/sbin/sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf
/etc/init.d/networking restart
/etc/init.d/libvirt-bin start
exit 0

This is on Ubuntu 10.04.4, x86_64 on all of our Dell R710 servers.

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2012-03-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Peter, thanks for the bump. This just needed the verification-done flag
for our process to catch it. I'll take a look at doing the sru-release
tomorrow morning.

** Tags added: verification-done

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2012-03-09 Thread Peter Matulis
Clint, isn't this tag sufficient to get out the fix for Lucid:

verification-done-lucid

?

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Re: [Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2012-03-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Peter Matulis's message of Fri Mar 09 12:50:44 UTC 2012:
 Clint, isn't this tag sufficient to get out the fix for Lucid:
 
 verification-done-lucid
 

No, that tag is used for informational purposes only.

In the pending-sru report here:

http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html

The only way we're going to see that it is ready for release is that the
bugs for a package are all green or purple. Green means verification-done,
purple means verification-done *and* verification-needed, usually caused
by verification only being done in one of the releases.

We don't want to make the release-specific tags the way to get it
released, because we have to consider the impact of having it fixed in
one release, and not in the next, so purple is a signal to us on that
report that we need to think carefully about whether or not to release.

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2012-03-09 Thread Clint Byrum
For instance, in this case, I think its ok to release to lucid-updates
in spite of the fact that maverick has not been verified, because
precise is scheduled to be released soon, and maverick EOL'd. So in this
case, there's little danger that a user will upgrade and then find that
things have regressed in a dangerous way.

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2012-03-09 Thread Peter Matulis
Thank you for that nice explanation.

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2012-03-09 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package procps - 1:3.2.8-1ubuntu4.2

---
procps (1:3.2.8-1ubuntu4.2) lucid-proposed; urgency=low

  * Make procps job run twice: as early as possible (for kernel
parameters such as kernel.printk) and then after all network
interfaces are up (to account for any kernel parameters relating
to recently loaded networking modules) (LP: #771372).

procps (1:3.2.8-1ubuntu4.1) lucid-proposed; urgency=low

  [ James Hunt ]
  * Make procps job run twice: as early as possible (for kernel
parameters such as kernel.printk) and then after all network
interfaces are up (to account for any kernel parameters relating
to recently loaded networking modules) (LP: #771372).
 -- James Hunt james.h...@ubuntu.com   Wed, 07 Dec 2011 14:53:24 +

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2012-03-08 Thread Peter Matulis
When will the fix for Lucid be released?  The LTS fix should get out
there in my opinion.

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2012-02-24 Thread Steve Langasek
With the fix for bug #602896 included in a subsequent maverick SRU, this
should no longer cause problems at install time.  Resetting the
verification status for maverick (this is no longer failed).  Is
someone willing/able to test this fix on maverick?

** Tags removed: verification-failed-maverick

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2012-01-18 Thread Andreas Ntaflos
We applied the proposed fix to procps on a test machine but upon
rebooting the problem remained, with the following message appearing in
/var/log/boot.log:

init: procps (virtual-filesystems) main process (670) terminated with
status 255

We use /etc/sysctl.conf to disable frame filtering for bridges and
vlans:

net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-ip6tables = 0
net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-iptables = 0
net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-arptables = 0
net.bridge.bridge-nf-filter-vlan-tagged = 0

The machine is a Dell R710, but I don't think that matters. What other
info can we provide?

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2012-01-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Hello Mark, or anyone else affected,

Accepted procps into maverick-proposed, the package will build now and
be available in a few hours. Please test and give feedback here. See
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation how to
enable and use -proposed. Thank you in advance!

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Committed

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2012-01-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Hello Mark, or anyone else affected,

Accepted procps into natty-proposed, the package will build now and be
available in a few hours. Please test and give feedback here. See
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation how to
enable and use -proposed. Thank you in advance!

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Natty)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Committed

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-12-19 Thread Martin Pitt
Hello Mark, or anyone else affected,

Accepted procps into lucid-proposed, the package will build now and be
available in a few hours. Please test and give feedback here. See
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation how to
enable and use -proposed. Thank you in advance!

** Tags removed: verification-failed-lucid

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Committed

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-12-19 Thread Simon Déziel
The fix in lucid-proposed fixed my issue, many thanks.

** Tags added: verification-done-lucid

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-12-16 Thread Simon Déziel
@James, the following upstart job that you suggested fixes the issue on
Lucid. Would that be possible to have it include in the next update ?
Thanks.

# procps - set sysctls from /etc/sysctl.conf
#
# This task sets kernel sysctl variables from /etc/sysctl.conf and
# /etc/sysctl.d

description set sysctls from /etc/sysctl.conf

instance $UPSTART_EVENTS
env UPSTART_EVENTS=

start on virtual-filesystems or stopped networking

task
script
cat /etc/sysctl.d/*.conf /etc/sysctl.conf | sysctl -p -
end script

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-12-07 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/lucid/procps/fix-for-bug-771372

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-12-06 Thread James Hunt
@Simon (and others running Lucid): Please could you try modifying your
/etc/init/procps.conf so it contains the following and let us know if
this fixes the issue on Lucid?:

  instance $UPSTART_EVENTS
  start on virtual-filesystems or stopped networking

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-12-06 Thread Simon Déziel
@James, you suggestion worked. Note that I dropped the env
UPSTART_EVENTS=. Here is the job definition I used.

# grep -v # /etc/init/procps.conf

description set sysctls from /etc/sysctl.conf


instance $UPSTART_EVENTS
start on virtual-filesystems or stopped networking

task
script
cat /etc/sysctl.d/*.conf /etc/sysctl.conf | sysctl -p -
end script


By the way, that also fixes LP: #690433. Thank you !

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-12-06 Thread Simon Déziel
James, I added back the env UPSTART_EVENTS= as manually starting the
job complained about this variable to be unknown. With and without the
sysctl keys are updated so that looks good on that side.

One thing that I noted in those 2 reboot tests is that my ntpd is
exiting after successfully binding on a few interfaces. Could that be
related to running procps twice ? Here is an extract of the ntpd error :

Dec  6 16:16:53 xeon ntpd[4630]: kernel time sync status 2040
Dec  6 16:16:54 xeon ntpd[4630]: Deleting interface #11 vnet0, 
fe80::fc54:ff:fe8d:c43c#123, interface stats: received=0, sent=0, dropped=0, 
active_time=1 secs
...
Dec  6 16:16:54 xeon ntpd[4630]: Deleting interface #22 br-vpn0, 
fe80::6075:82ff:fefa:8a89#123, interface stats: received=0, sent=0, dropped=0, 
active_time=1 secs
Dec  6 16:17:01 xeon CRON[4781]: (root) CMD (   cd /  run-parts --report 
/etc/cron.hourly)
Dec  6 16:17:03 xeon ntpd[4630]: ntpd exiting on signal 15
Dec  6 16:17:03 xeon ntpdate[4807]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting
Dec  6 16:17:03 xeon ntpd[4834]: ntpd 4.2.4p8@1.1612-o Tue Apr 19 07:08:18 UTC 
2011 (1)
Dec  6 16:17:03 xeon ntpd[4835]: precision = 1.000 usec
Dec  6 16:17:03 xeon ntpd[4835]: ntp_io: estimated max descriptors: 1024, 
initial socket boundary: 16
Dec  6 16:17:03 xeon ntpd[4835]: unable to bind to wildcard socket address 
0.0.0.0 - another process may be running - EXITING


There always have been a competition between ntpd and ntpdate but ntpd was 
apparently not having a problem before.

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-12-06 Thread Simon Déziel
I found traces of the ntpd issue dating from November 10th so that's
unrelated, sorry for the noise.

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-12-05 Thread Tobin Davis
The package currently in maverick-proposed fails to install when doing a
netinstall with d-i apt-setup/proposed boolean true in the preseed.  I
would assume this will fail once the package hits maverick-updates.

I have tested this on AMD64 and armel images.  Here is the relevent log
data:

Dec  5 21:05:48 in-target: Setting up procps (1:3.2.8-9ubuntu3.1) ...
Dec  5 21:05:48 in-target: Installing new version of config file 
/etc/init/procps.conf ...
Dec  5 21:05:48 in-target: start: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to 
connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused
Dec  5 21:05:48 in-target: dpkg: error processing procps (--configure):
Dec  5 21:05:48 in-target:  subprocess installed post-installation script 
returned error exit status 1

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-12-05 Thread Tobin Davis
Full syslog of the failing install on amd64.

** Attachment added: maverick-amd64.syslog
   
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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-12-05 Thread Colin Watson
I think the problem is that the procps postinst in maverick uses 'start
procps' rather than 'invoke-rc.d procps start || exit $?' as is used in
precise.  See bug 602896 for the fix.

This is a pre-existing bug in maverick, but it was dormant because the
installer didn't need to upgrade procps in this phase of installation
until now.  I think the fix for bug 602896 needs to be backported to
maverick-proposed.  This bug was fixed in natty, and, oddly, lucid
didn't suffer from it in the first place because it doesn't appear to
start the procps job in the postinst at all.

** Tags added: verification-failed-maverick

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-12-05 Thread Steve Langasek
** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Status: Fix Committed = In Progress

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-12-05 Thread Steve Langasek
Simon,

 This does not work on my Lucid. The sysctl settings related to
 the bridge modules are not set to the values defined under
 /etc/sysctl.d/60-bridge-firewalling.conf.

Oh.  Well, that's actually perfectly understandable, because the static-
network-up event was only introduced in oneiric!

James, that means we need a different fix here for lucid/maverick/natty.
Can you give this a think?

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Status: Fix Committed = Triaged

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Lucid)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = James Hunt (jamesodhunt)

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Status: In Progress = Triaged

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Maverick)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = James Hunt (jamesodhunt)

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Natty)
   Status: Fix Committed = Triaged

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Natty)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = James Hunt (jamesodhunt)

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-12-01 Thread Simon Déziel
This does not work on my Lucid. The sysctl settings related to the
bridge modules are not set to the values defined under /etc/sysctl.d/60
-bridge-firewalling.conf.

** Tags added: verification-failed-lucid

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-11-22 Thread Martin Pitt
Hello Mark, or anyone else affected,

Accepted procps into oneiric-proposed, the package will build now and be
available in a few hours. Please test and give feedback here. See
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation how to
enable and use -proposed. Thank you in advance!

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Oneiric)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Committed

** Tags added: verification-needed

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Natty)
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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-11-22 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/maverick-proposed/procps

** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/oneiric-proposed/procps

** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/lucid-proposed/procps

** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/natty-proposed/procps

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-11-17 Thread Steve Langasek
(Re-)fixed in 1:3.2.8-11ubuntu4, but I forgot to add the bug number,
sorry.  Changelog entry:

 procps (1:3.2.8-11ubuntu4) precise; urgency=low
 .
   * Reintroduce the patch from -11ubuntu2 to run sysctl twice, this time
 with an upgrade-proof upstart job.


** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Precise)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Released

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-11-17 Thread Steve Langasek
** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Status: Triaged = In Progress

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-11-17 Thread Steve Langasek
** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Status: Triaged = In Progress

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Natty)
   Status: Triaged = In Progress

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-11-16 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package procps - 1:3.2.8-11ubuntu2

---
procps (1:3.2.8-11ubuntu2) precise; urgency=low

  * Make procps job run twice: as early as possible (for kernel
parameters such as kernel.printk) and then after all network
interfaces are up (to account for any kernel parameters relating
to recently loaded networking modules) (LP: #771372).
 -- James Hunt james.h...@ubuntu.com   Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:17:38 +

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Precise)
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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-11-16 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/procps

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-11-16 Thread Anders Kaseorg
Setting up procps (1:3.2.8-11ubuntu2) ...
Installing new version of config file /etc/init/procps.conf ...
start: Unknown parameter: UPSTART_EVENTS
invoke-rc.d: initscript procps, action start failed.
dpkg: error processing procps (--configure):
 subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-11-16 Thread Harry
Same error here.
It happens on both 32-bit and 64-bit setups.

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-11-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Upgrade error was reported as bug 891369. I'll revert that upload for
now to not break upgrades for too long.

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-11-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Under the new precise egide of reverting broken uploads if they don't
make the situation worse, I did that now.

procps (1:3.2.8-11ubuntu3) precise; urgency=low

  * debian/upstart: Revert previous upload, breaks upgrades. (LP:
#891369)

 -- Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com  Thu, 17 Nov 2011 06:04:10
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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-11-15 Thread James Hunt
** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Precise)
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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-11-11 Thread James Hunt
= Short Answer =

The immediate fix (for the majority of cases) is to modify
/etc/init/procps.conf so that it's start on condition becomes:

  start on virtual-filesystems or started networking

= Long Answer (brace yourselves! :-) =

This is an interesting issue. The ideal is a generic solution to the
problem but unfortunately this cannot be provided at this point in time.
The following attempts to explain why...

== Summary of Current Behaviour ==

The sysctl(8) facility allows *kernel parameters* to be set at any time.
The current procps.conf Upstart job is started as early as possible to
achieve this. The job calls sysctl which sets the specific kernel
parameters by reading from /etc/sysctl.conf and /etc/sysctl.d/* and
writing these values to /proc/sys/*.

Therefore, /proc must be mounted read-write and /etc must be mounted
atleast read-only. These requirements are satisfied by the start on
condition specified in procps.conf.

This works for all built-in kernel functionality, that is all functionality 
that isn't provided by kernel modules. It should be
pointed out that some settings *must* be applied at this the earliest point, 
for example kernel.printk (aka /proc/sys/kernel/printk). So, procps.conf is 
behaving correctly.

== The Two Types of Parameters ==

However, some kernel modules provide new kernel parameters. Note that
there is a distinction between *kernel parameters* and *module
parameters*:

- kernel parameters are set via sysctl(8) and sysctl can be called any
  number of times to change these values at any time after the
  functionality is available in the kernel.

- module parameters are set *once*: when the kernel module is loaded
  (generally via modprobe(8)). One they are set you cannot change them
  until you reload the module.

But the picture isn't as clear-cut as that since some modules link their
module parameters with kernel parameters such that when you load a
module, you can specify values for the parameters, but you can *also*
change these same parameters via sysctl after the module has been
loaded. The sunrpc module is a good example of this:

  sunrpc.udp_slot_table_entries = 128
  sunrpc.tcp_slot_table_entries = 128

Further, lets summarise the available methods for setting *kernel
parameters* and *module parameters*:

=== Methods for Setting Parameters ===

== Kernel Parameters ==

(1) The procps.conf Upstart job (already covered above).

(2) Running sysctl(8) manually.

== Module Parameters ==

(1) The module-init-tools.conf Upstart job.

This is available when you install the bridge-utils package, which is
not installed by default. This job job reads a list of modules and
optional parameters from /etc/modules and loads those modules by
calling modprobe(8) directly.

(2) The /etc/modprobe.conf and /etc/modprobe.d/* files.

As specified in modprobe.conf(5), these files can specify some quite
clever options. The crucial point though is that these files can
specify modules to load along with parameters for those modules
using the options keyword.

Note that there is *no* Upstart job that uses these files: there
doesn't need to be since any invocation of modprobe(8) will read
these files and apply the correct settings automatically.

(3) Running modprobe(8)/insmod(8) manually.

== Definition of the Actual Problem ==

So the *real* problem is:

  We need a way to set a loadable modules *kernel parameters* as soon
  after module load time as possible for those modules that do not
  expose such parameters via *module parameters*.

This generates another question:

- How can we establish if a loadable module exposes its module
  parameters as *kernel parameters*? I think the answer is:

/sys/module/module/parameters/

NOTE: no mention has been made of network/bridge modules at this point:
they are just the most common manifestation of the problem but do not
encompass the entire problem space.

== Suggestions ==

(1) Change /etc/sysctl.d/README, sysctl(5) and sysctl(8) to suggest
that users *only* use sysctl for built-in kernel functionality or
for those modules that do not expose such settings as *module
parameters*.

(2) Encourage users to utilise /etc/modprobe.d/* for modules that expose
their settings as both *kernel parameters* and *module parameters*.

(3) Decide upon a strategy for /etc/modules.

Do we deprecate its use in favour of /etc/modprobe.d/*? Maybe we
could suggest it is only to be used for modules for which users do
not wish to provide parameters for?

(4) Provide a script that will ease the burden of understanding all
these details and allow users to set parameters in a sane manner using
the DRY principle.

Such a tool would provide a set of feature such as:

- when given a kernel module, return a list of parameters denoting
  whether each parameter is:
  - a *module parameter*
  - a *kernel parameter*

  If a parameter is both, that will be made clear.


[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-11-11 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/precise/procps/fix-for-
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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-10-06 Thread Steve Langasek
** Also affects: procps (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: procps (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: procps (Ubuntu Natty)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: procps (Ubuntu Oneiric)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: procps (Ubuntu P-series)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Status: New = Triaged

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Status: New = Triaged

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Natty)
   Status: New = Triaged

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Oneiric)
   Status: New = Triaged

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu P-series)
   Status: New = Triaged

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Importance: Undecided = Medium

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Importance: Undecided = Medium

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Natty)
   Importance: Undecided = Medium

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu P-series)
   Importance: Undecided = Medium

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu Oneiric)
   Importance: Undecided = Medium

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-06-28 Thread Tom Ellis
In another customer case, I noticed this too which is the same as #690433:
net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-ip6tables = 0 
net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-iptables = 0 
net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-arptables = 0 
net.bridge.bridge-nf-filter-vlan-tagged = 0 

These depend on the bridge module being loaded and due to this bug they
aren't loaded at all. There is a workaround in the other bug that
involves an additional upstart job to set the network related sysctls
but this isn't a good solution, just a temp workaround.

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-04-27 Thread James Hunt
This is an issue with the procps package, not Upstart.


** Package changed: upstart (Ubuntu) = procps (Ubuntu)

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[Bug 771372] Re: procps runs too early in the boot process

2011-04-26 Thread Mark Russell
In one customer's case, they changed their procps.conf start on criteria to:
start on (virtual-filesystems or started portmap)

This allowed these settings to be applied properly:
sunrpc.udp_slot_table_entries = 128
sunrpc.tcp_slot_table_entries = 128

But all that does is workaround the issue.  If you add another module
later and put related entries in sysctl.conf, you still can't be sure
they will apply correctly without testing it out.  If it doesn't work,
now you have to think about fiddling with jobs again (see Bug #690433
for example workarounds).  It would be nice to find a way of
automatically loading and/or reloading procps when appropriate.

For example procps.conf could have start on criteria something like:
start on (virtual-filesystems or NEEDS_PROCPS=1)
or
start on (virtual-filesystems or KERNEL_MOD=1)

Of course it would still be up to those other jobs to export KERNEL_MOD
and I'm probably overlooking something that makes this a no good,
horrible idea.  But it helps illustrate the point, I think.

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Title:
  procps runs too early in the boot process

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