[Bug 893091] Re: Port dbus-python to Python 3
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[Bug 893091]
(In reply to comment #78) Created attachment 56390 [details] [review] Add dbus/_compat.py to nobase_python_PYTHON in Makefile.am. make install does not install dbus/_compat.py Pleaes find patch to fix this. Already fixed in Comment #76 and in dbus-python 1.0.0. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893091 Title: Port dbus-python to Python 3 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-dbus/+bug/893091/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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(In reply to comment #80) I was using the python3 branch. I did not realise that it was allready merged into master. I've deleted the python3 branch (Barry's version, now merged) and the old py3k branch (John's version, not directly merged but used as inspiration by Barry) to avoid confusion. Who do we need to ping to get http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/NEWS.html updated? Me, apparently... it seems I forgot dbus-python releases work. Everything should be up to date now. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893091 Title: Port dbus-python to Python 3 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-dbus/+bug/893091/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 893091]
Created attachment 56390 Add dbus/_compat.py to nobase_python_PYTHON in Makefile.am. make install does not install dbus/_compat.py Pleaes find patch to fix this. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893091 Title: Port dbus-python to Python 3 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-dbus/+bug/893091/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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(In reply to comment #79) Already fixed in Comment #76 and in dbus-python 1.0.0. Sorry about that. I was using the python3 branch. I did not realise that it was allready merged into master. Kudos to Simon, Barry and John on the release. Who do we need to ping to get http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus- python/NEWS.html updated? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893091 Title: Port dbus-python to Python 3 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-dbus/+bug/893091/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 893091] Re: Port dbus-python to Python 3
Hi Jason, On Jan 19, 2012, at 11:54 PM, Jason Gerard DeRose wrote: I'm trying to back-port this to Oneiric to deliver in the Novacut Stable PPA. This will allow us to maintain compatibility with Oneiric for a bit longer, and I figure help this shiny new port get more testing. I think that's great. I see no reason why the port shouldn't work on Oneiric. In fact, I started the work there, before I upgraded my machines to Precise. So my question is: do you think this is a reasonable thing to do, or is this too risky/invasive? Would having this tested on Oneiric be of any use in the first place? I think it would be great to have in a PPA. I can't think of any risks. It's not an SRU candidate though. If you think this is a bad idea, we'll drop support for Oneiric this month... porting the Dmedia DBus service to python3-dbus went wonderfully smooth, and I'm not turning back! Thanks for the fantastic port! Awesome! BTW, I get some test failures when building on Oneiric, although I'm not sure if this is reason for much concern: https://launchpad.net/~novacut/+archive/daily/+build/3106062 https://launchpad.net/~novacut/+archive/daily/+build/3106063 Yep, these are known, and actually caused by some buggy packaging of dbus. In order to move the dbus binaries to /bin from /usr/bin, an unfortunate bug crept into the packaging. The debug version of dbus-launch ends up in the production deb. The effect of that is that when dbus gets a warning and DBUS_FATAL_WARNINGS is enabled, dbus-launch will abort. That's the signal 6 you're seeing. In practice this doesn't seem to affect anything because that envar is never enabled afaict. It *is* enabled in the dbus-python test suite, which is why the builds are failing. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/913991 It's fixed in Precise of course. :) My suggestion is to comment out this line in dbus-python's dbus/test/run-test.sh script: export DBUS_FATAL_WARNINGS=1 Your PPA should then build just fine. Cheers! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893091 Title: Port dbus-python to Python 3 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-dbus/+bug/893091/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 893091] Re: Port dbus-python to Python 3
On Friday, January 20, 2012 07:18:20 PM you wrote: https://launchpad.net/~novacut/+archive/daily/+build/3106062 https://launchpad.net/~novacut/+archive/daily/+build/3106063 Yep, these are known, and actually caused by some buggy packaging of dbus. In order to move the dbus binaries to /bin from /usr/bin, an unfortunate bug crept into the packaging. The debug version of dbus-launch ends up in the production deb. That looks like it might be SRU worthy. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893091 Title: Port dbus-python to Python 3 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-dbus/+bug/893091/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 893091] Re: Port dbus-python to Python 3
On Jan 20, 2012, at 07:39 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Friday, January 20, 2012 07:18:20 PM you wrote: https://launchpad.net/~novacut/+archive/daily/+build/3106062 https://launchpad.net/~novacut/+archive/daily/+build/3106063 Yep, these are known, and actually caused by some buggy packaging of dbus. In order to move the dbus binaries to /bin from /usr/bin, an unfortunate bug crept into the packaging. The debug version of dbus-launch ends up in the production deb. That looks like it might be SRU worthy. I'm open to that. I don't think it's a critical problem since in practice that environment variable won't usually be set. OTOH, it should be a totally safe change. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893091 Title: Port dbus-python to Python 3 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-dbus/+bug/893091/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 893091] Re: Port dbus-python to Python 3
Barry, I'm trying to back-port this to Oneiric to deliver in the Novacut Stable PPA. This will allow us to maintain compatibility with Oneiric for a bit longer, and I figure help this shiny new port get more testing. So my question is: do you think this is a reasonable thing to do, or is this too risky/invasive? Would having this tested on Oneiric be of any use in the first place? If you think this is a bad idea, we'll drop support for Oneiric this month... porting the Dmedia DBus service to python3-dbus went wonderfully smooth, and I'm not turning back! Thanks for the fantastic port! BTW, I get some test failures when building on Oneiric, although I'm not sure if this is reason for much concern: https://launchpad.net/~novacut/+archive/daily/+build/3106062 https://launchpad.net/~novacut/+archive/daily/+build/3106063 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893091 Title: Port dbus-python to Python 3 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-dbus/+bug/893091/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 893091]
One other small change you'll need to apply: --- a/Makefile.am +++ b/Makefile.am @@ -20,6 +20,7 @@ nobase_python_PYTHON = \ dbus/bus.py \ dbus/connection.py \ +dbus/_compat.py \ dbus/_dbus.py \ dbus/_version.py \ dbus/decorators.py \ -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893091 Title: Port dbus-python to Python 3 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-dbus/+bug/893091/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 893091]
/tmp/usr/share/doc/deleteme
# compare installed .pc and .h, asserting that the ones all versions
# wanted are the same as what we ended up with
- for v in $(PYVERS); do \
- diff --brief
debian/python-dbus/usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus-python.h \
+ for v in $(PYVERS) $(PY3VERS); do \
+ diff --brief debian/tmp/usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus-python.h
\
debian/tmp-$$v.h || exit 1; \
- diff --brief
debian/python-dbus/usr/lib/pkgconfig/dbus-python.pc \
+ diff --brief debian/tmp/usr/lib/pkgconfig/dbus-python.pc \
debian/tmp-$$v.pc || exit 1; \
done
rm -f debian/tmp-*.pc debian/tmp-*.h
- for i in $$(find debian/python-dbus-dbg -name '*.so'); do \
- b=$$(basename $$i .so); \
- mv $$i $$(dirname $$i)/$${b}_d.so; \
- done
clean::
dh_testdir
@@ -141,7 +154,8 @@
dh_link -s
dh_compress -s -X.py -X.js
dh_fixperms -s
- dh_python2 -s
+ dh_python2 -s -v
+ dh_python3 -s -v
dh_installdeb -s
dh_shlibdeps -s
dh_gencontrol -s
@@ -149,4 +163,6 @@
dh_builddeb -s
binary: binary-arch binary-indep
+ autoreconf
+
.PHONY: build clean binary-indep binary-arch binary install-arch install-clean
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On Jan 11, 2012, at 03:19 PM, bugzilla-dae...@freedesktop.org wrote:
I've pushed a python3 branch based on yours to the official dbus-python
repository; please review/test. I believe it's about ready for merging, and it
passes tests on Python 2.6, 2.7, 3.2 under Debian sid.
Reviewed and tested on Ubuntu precise against 2.6, 2.7, and 3.2. We'll have
some experimental packages for Python 3.3 soon and I'll test them against that
when they're available, but I don't expect changes to support 3.3 pre-alpha.
(I can't test against a from-source install for dumb reasons.)
The semantic question is more interesting though. Just what should it mean
to append a byte signature with a unicode object?
I concluded that the answer is nothing, and disallowed Byte('A') in the
Python 3 world too. You now have to use Byte(ord('A')) or Byte(b'A') if that's
what you want. (This is consistent with ByteArray.)
Agreed.
I also moved the Python 2 API back to how it used to be:
* things that used to return str (other than __str__/__repr__) are back
to returning str, not unicode, via NATIVESTR_FROMSTR
* things that used to return int (in particular, variant levels) still
return int, not long, via a new NATIVEINT_FROMLONG
so we won't break existing Python 2 code. In Python 3, those methods return
long or unicode, of course.
I also added an INTORLONG_CHECK macro so we don't keep repeating is it a long
(or in Python 2, an int)? #ifdefs.
+1 to all of these.
The branch looks great, and I appreciate all your help in getting this
landed. From me, I think it's ready to merge!
Cheers,
-Barry
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[Bug 893091] Re: Port dbus-python to Python 3
** Branch linked: lp:~barry/ubuntu/precise/dbus-python/python3-from- upstream -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893091 Title: Port dbus-python to Python 3 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-dbus/+bug/893091/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 893091] Re: Port dbus-python to Python 3
This bug was fixed in the package dbus-python - 0.84.0-2ubuntu1 --- dbus-python (0.84.0-2ubuntu1) precise; urgency=low * debian/patches: - since-0.84.0.patch: Upstream unreleased changes from git tag dbus-python-0.84.0 to HEAD. This is a precursor to the following. - python3-support.patch: Upstream unreleased changes from git `python3` branch for supporting Python 3. (LP: #893091) * debian/rules: Enable the test suite. -- Barry Warsaw ba...@ubuntu.com Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:47:33 +0100 ** Changed in: dbus-python (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893091 Title: Port dbus-python to Python 3 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-dbus/+bug/893091/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 893091] Re: Port dbus-python to Python 3
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Re: [Bug 893091] Re: Port dbus-python to Python 3
On Jan 07, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Jason Gerard DeRose wrote: Barry, another little packaging issue I found: looks like the `dbus._compat` module isn't being included: import dbus Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in module File /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/dbus/__init__.py, line 69, in module from dbus._compat import is_py2 ImportError: No module named _compat Same issue under Python3. Hi Jason. Thanks so much for testing the PPA. This will be fixed in ~ppa4. I forgot to update Makefile.am with the new dbus/_compat.py file. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893091 Title: Port dbus-python to Python 3 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-dbus/+bug/893091/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 893091] Re: Port dbus-python to Python 3
On Jan 07, 2012, at 09:04 PM, Jason Gerard DeRose wrote:
Barry, awesome, exciting stuff!
I just tried upgrading to the package in your PPA, and got this error:
dpkg: error processing
/var/cache/apt/archives/python-dbus-common_0.84.0-2ubuntu1~ppa3_amd64.deb
(--unpack):
trying to overwrite '/usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus-python.h', which is also
in package python-dbus 0.84.0-2build1
Preparing to replace python-dbus 0.84.0-2build1 (using
.../python-dbus_0.84.0-2ubuntu1~ppa3_amd64.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement python-dbus ...
Errors were encountered while processing:
/var/cache/apt/archives/python-dbus-common_0.84.0-2ubuntu1~ppa3_amd64.deb
Doing a `sudo apt-get install -f` afterward fixed it though. Looks like
the problem is it's trying to install python-dbus-common before
upgrading the old python-dbus, which I think this would fix:
Package: python-dbus-common
Conflicts: python-dbus ( ${source:Version})
Good catch! I just uploaded ~ppa4 which adds this (and fixes the _compat.py
problem). Please test it again when the PPA eventually builds. ;)
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[Bug 893091] Re: Port dbus-python to Python 3
Barry, awesome, exciting stuff!
I just tried upgrading to the package in your PPA, and got this error:
dpkg: error processing
/var/cache/apt/archives/python-dbus-common_0.84.0-2ubuntu1~ppa3_amd64.deb
(--unpack):
trying to overwrite '/usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus-python.h', which is also
in package python-dbus 0.84.0-2build1
Preparing to replace python-dbus 0.84.0-2build1 (using
.../python-dbus_0.84.0-2ubuntu1~ppa3_amd64.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement python-dbus ...
Errors were encountered while processing:
/var/cache/apt/archives/python-dbus-common_0.84.0-2ubuntu1~ppa3_amd64.deb
Doing a `sudo apt-get install -f` afterward fixed it though. Looks like
the problem is it's trying to install python-dbus-common before
upgrading the old python-dbus, which I think this would fix:
Package: python-dbus-common
Conflicts: python-dbus ( ${source:Version})
Thanks!
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[Bug 893091] Re: Port dbus-python to Python 3
Barry, another little packaging issue I found: looks like the `dbus._compat` module isn't being included: import dbus Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in module File /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/dbus/__init__.py, line 69, in module from dbus._compat import is_py2 ImportError: No module named _compat Same issue under Python3. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893091 Title: Port dbus-python to Python 3 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-dbus/+bug/893091/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 893091] Re: Port dbus-python to Python 3
** Also affects: python-dbus via https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26420 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893091 Title: Port dbus-python to Python 3 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-dbus/+bug/893091/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 893091] Re: Port dbus-python to Python 3
** Summary changed: - Port to Python 3 + Port dbus-python to Python 3 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893091 Title: Port dbus-python to Python 3 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-python/+bug/893091/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 893091] Re: Port dbus-python to Python 3
An update for the new year: here is the upstream issue tracking progress https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26420 Current status is that I have a working github branch (linked to above) addressing the issues brought up by the upstream maintainer. It is currently under review. Many of the smaller preparatory changes needed have already been merged upstream, and the github branch has a few more before the bigger Python 3 revision. I also have the entire diff as a patch to the Precise source branch and I'm working out the packaging issues needed to provide python3 packages for everything. This includes splitting out the common stuff into a python-dbus-common package. I don't quite have the packaging working yet, but this will go into ppa:barry/python when it's ready, hopefully later today. I'll also point out another bug concerning dbus-python on Ubuntu as of 11.10+ which I'm tracking too: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43303 This causes dbus-launch to SIGABRT when DBUS_FATAL_WARNINGS=1 (as it is in the dbus-python test suite). We're still trying to figure out the cause of this. ** Bug watch added: freedesktop.org Bugzilla #26420 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26420 ** Bug watch added: freedesktop.org Bugzilla #43303 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43303 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893091 Title: Port dbus-python to Python 3 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-python/+bug/893091/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 893091] Re: Port to Python 3
** Changed in: dbus-python (Ubuntu) Milestone: precise-alpha-1 = precise-alpha-2 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893091 Title: Port to Python 3 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-python/+bug/893091/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 893091] [NEW] Port to Python 3
Public bug reported: For various non-gnome packages, and because gdbus-python doesn't yet support servers, I am working on a port of dbus-python to Python 3. ** Affects: dbus-python (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893091 Title: Port to Python 3 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-python/+bug/893091/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 893091] Re: Port to Python 3
** Changed in: dbus-python (Ubuntu) Status: New = In Progress ** Changed in: dbus-python (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = High ** Changed in: dbus-python (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Barry Warsaw (barry) ** Changed in: dbus-python (Ubuntu) Milestone: None = precise-alpha-1 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/893091 Title: Port to Python 3 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-python/+bug/893091/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
