[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
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[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu) Status: Opinion => Confirmed ** Changed in: unity Status: Opinion => Confirmed ** Changed in: ayatana-design Status: Opinion => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Now when you will have your own display server/compositor, Unity rewritten in Qt/QML, and more control on the display stack in general to make it work... I think now it's the time to push back code snippet that will enable Dodge Windows again. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Bug statuses shouldn't be changes without an explanation. So can someone explain why this bug is marked as opinion? Otherwise I might follow the guidelines and just reopen this bug... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
The Dodge Windows hide mode is very useful for me. You Canonical guys please revert this feature back again. Don't make mistake. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
+1 for Carlos 2012/10/19 Carlos Ravelo ravelo.car...@gmail.com: Put back the option, just don't set it as default and don't expose it on the system settings but leave it as an option in the compiz settings so that advanced users who are not confused by it can re-enable it. This is a highly annoying regression. -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? Status in Ayatana Design: Opinion Status in Unity: Opinion Status in “unity” package in Ubuntu: Opinion Bug description: I was using dodge windows in unity mainly because it make the launcher go out of the way on maximized apps (like Kdenlive who is benefiting a lot from unity's capability of making the most space usable). But I was never hiding the launcher when I use windowed apps (like firefox on the left and openoffice on the righ part of the screen) because it helped me a lot switching with something else rapidly (like thunderbird, pidgin, etc) What I think to be a good third behavior of the launcher is to hide itself when one app or more are fullscreen and if they are not, being always there. There is some corner cases like if one app is full screen and the focused app is not. But I think this will not bring some crazy bugs like dodging windows did in the past. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Put back the option, just don't set it as default and don't expose it on the system settings but leave it as an option in the compiz settings so that advanced users who are not confused by it can re-enable it. This is a highly annoying regression. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Bring back the Dodge Windows by default please. :D -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
@Ego - just ignore the sad excuses, set the launcher to auto-hide with minimum sensitivity, and install cairo-dock and be done with it. Dodge Windows (a misnomer proving this feature is misunderstood - it's the real auto-hide) with very fine-grained settings (only hide when active window overlaps etc.) will give you what you want, still have [Super] for bringing up Dash. Some wasted resources, but you don't have to put up with the humbug launcher behaviour. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Yes i see a lot of user using docks lately and having Launcher in always hide mode. It kind of beats the purpose what Unity tried to do and in my opinion did until Ubuntu 12.04. It did something no other DE offered but now it just offers launcher moved to the left side of the screen and sometimes with wallpaper combination fugly colors too (yikes). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
After using Ubuntu 12.04 for some time i don't find any real benefit that would be directly connected with removal of Dodge Windows and Unity 3D in Ubuntu 11.10 offered user better experience. I hope at least developers are happy now because they don't have to spend any more time working on the feature? Always hide mode was never a real option and now sure we can look at launcher all the time on the desktop and the fun thing is that if user uses wallpaper of certain color then the whole launcher turns in some fugly color and when user maximizes program window not only the launcher is still there the fugly color is fun to watch too, probably the result of the fact now the developers have more time to work on things that matter the most to the users? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
I'm curious about whether any alternatives were tested to see if there was a way to implement dodge that was not confusing. What exactly confused them? What did they do when the launchbar disappeared? I would think most would simply unmaximize the app. Unless they couldn't do that because the window controls disappeared. Dodge when maximizing, at least, just strikes me as a great feature that deserves some effort to try and communicate it to the user. Perhaps users would figure it out if the animation were different, or if the last few pixels of the launchbar remained visible. I just cannot believe there is no way to free up that space and remove distractions from a maximized app without confusing the user. In addition, both Mac OS Lion and Windows 8 are pushing similar features (Lion has fullscreen, Windows 8 has an autohiding charm menu). So users coming from other platforms will soon get used to the idea that taskbars/launchbars/docks can be covered or hidden. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Changed to opinion? Will you guys at least explain what that means? Looks pretty insulting to me. We have shown you clearly how wrong you are, from every possible point of view. Yet you can't come with a single reason why this proposal is wrong beyond the poor excuse of NUPUs testing (which isn't even openly documented). Yet you call this opinion? Thanks god this is open source and some rational people out there respond to your finger with code. Here's it: http://admin.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/04/enable-dodge-unity-launcher- ubuntu-12-04/#comment-514487779 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Have a look at this solution: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1967822 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
It is a workaround, not really a solution though... On 29 April 2012 09:32, Peter Kennes 930...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Have a look at this solution: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1967822 -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? Status in Ayatana Design: Opinion Status in Unity: Opinion Status in “unity” package in Ubuntu: Opinion Bug description: I was using dodge windows in unity mainly because it make the launcher go out of the way on maximized apps (like Kdenlive who is benefiting a lot from unity's capability of making the most space usable). But I was never hiding the launcher when I use windowed apps (like firefox on the left and openoffice on the righ part of the screen) because it helped me a lot switching with something else rapidly (like thunderbird, pidgin, etc) What I think to be a good third behavior of the launcher is to hide itself when one app or more are fullscreen and if they are not, being always there. There is some corner cases like if one app is full screen and the focused app is not. But I think this will not bring some crazy bugs like dodging windows did in the past. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
I was disappointed that this feature was removed completely. If anything, it should be kept in CCSM so advanced users can activate it should they want it. I wrote the tutorial metioned in mgt2000's comment (#149). I noticed there is a lot of demand for 'dodge windows' and after becoming so accustomed to it, having it removed disrupted my workflow greatly. If it could be re-added to Ubuntu 12.10, but tucked neatly away, it would make a lot of users happy. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Alas, nobody from the design team has responded either here on the mailing lists about Dodge so it seems it is gone and forgotten as far as their concerned and all suggestions regarding it are now being ignored completely so it's pretty pointless adding anything else here. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
nobody has responded recently I should have said. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Unfortunately, removing dodge is a huge setback for small netbook screens. On my 27' monitor I have disabled dodge in Ubuntu 11.10. However, on a netbook screen it is a complete different story... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
#2, You've said all my thoughts! In 11.10 Launcher was acting like a gentleman, but now it stays even when I don't want to see it or hides when I need it. And there is no any choice. Scripts are slow and patches are unacceptable for simple users. The most comfortable shell interface became useless. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
If it's politically incorrect to return this option, can you, dear developers, make a PPA with patch or some script to return it for advanced users? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
And one more thing. If you, dear developers want me to use autohiding that I hate with all of my heart, make this option stable! Because for now I must to play with mouse for several times, moving it to the left and back before the Launcher desides to show itself :E -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Ouch, this one hurts on my Netbook. With auto-hide off, the launcher takes up valuable screen real-estate. With auto-hide off, I have to try several times to to invoke the launcher, because I'm using a touchpad mouse the majority of the time. Changing the default to always show makes perfect sense if new users were having trouble with it, but removing Window Dodge completely doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Unfortunately, I'll be downgrading to Ubuntu 11.10, because the removal of Window Dodge has severely impacted the usability of Ubuntu in a negative way. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Check out these articles. Get Dodge Windows Unity Autohide Behaviour For Maximized Windows In Ubuntu 12.04 http://www.webupd8.org/2012/03/get-dodge-windows-unity-autohide.html Real Window Dodge Unity Launcher Bahaviour For Ubuntu 12.04 http://www.webupd8.org/2012/04/real-window-dodge-unity-launcher.html -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
The always show option is really not efficient on modern laptop screens and doesn't present a clean interface. The authohide option is far from pleasant due to bug #986067. The dodge scripts above are similar in function to the old dodge behaviour but causes fullscreen windows to resize (which is slow and very noticable) and do so with inconsistent timing (those scripts every n seconds instead of being event-based) which is confusing. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
You do change the default for some reason. YOU DO NOT DELETE THE OLD DEFAULT -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Here the FIX for you dear developers. Reverse commits 1929, 1930 and 1933. For all poor unity users, you have to download these 3 filed and compile unity from source (http://askubuntu.com/questions/28470/how-do-i-build-unity-from-source) and revert these so called patches. Copy these files into the source dir and revert the patches with patch -F3 -p0 ./$name_of_patch where you need to do that for each of the 3 files. You will get prompted and have to answer yes to all questions. ** Patch added: 1933_1932.diff https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/930148/+attachment/3097806/+files/1933_1932.diff -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
** Patch added: 1930_1929.diff https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/930148/+attachment/3097807/+files/1930_1929.diff -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
** Patch added: 1929_1928.diff https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/930148/+attachment/3097808/+files/1929_1928.diff -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Adrian Wechner (adrian-wechner) wrote on 2012-02-26: #22 personally, i have no problem with default behaviours change. thats canonicals decision. but starting from a default feature and ending in feature removed is too hard. you can't hard-remove a feature which has been THE DEFAULT since a year. i you want change the default config, but let the possibility that people who want can change the config to the old default. thx +1 To all who want that behaviour AS AN OPTION back +1 If this is not going to happen until 12.04 final - You leave me no choice rather to uninstall on my pc and laptop and on the laptop of 3 friends of mine whom I installed ubuntu to install them opensuse and remove ubuntu since the best option was removed. My friends were saying why did you upgrade us to that beta stuff - the launcher sucks now! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
I chose the always show option and I am quite happy with it. All maximized windows dont go under or over panel so the panel is really OK. Try it yourself, Cheers, On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 4:41 PM, damianator...@gmail.com 930...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Adrian Wechner (adrian-wechner) wrote on 2012-02-26: #22 personally, i have no problem with default behaviours change. thats canonicals decision. but starting from a default feature and ending in feature removed is too hard. you can't hard-remove a feature which has been THE DEFAULT since a year. i you want change the default config, but let the possibility that people who want can change the config to the old default. thx +1 To all who want that behaviour AS AN OPTION back +1 If this is not going to happen until 12.04 final - You leave me no choice rather to uninstall on my pc and laptop and on the laptop of 3 friends of mine whom I installed ubuntu to install them opensuse and remove ubuntu since the best option was removed. My friends were saying why did you upgrade us to that beta stuff - the launcher sucks now! -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Of course I tried. It sucks badly -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Could you please explain why this feature won't be implemented? Thanks. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
The dodge feature was brilliant. It seems to me that the goal is to focus on new users and to assume that skilled computer users will accept what they are given. This is the process Microsoft followed with Vista. I've been trying to get comfortable with Gnome 3. Time will tell where I will end up on this. Hide on Maximize would meet my minimal needs. Bringing Dodge windows back would be awesome but I don't think power users are important for the 12.04 release at least. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
** Changed in: unity Status: Confirmed = Opinion ** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Opinion -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
** Changed in: ayatana-design Status: New = Opinion -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
More than 200 people have the same opinion. Maybe you guys should do something about it and give the choice to users. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
i like to keep the launcher out of my way when i am working. that said, dodge windows was the perfect option for me. the launcher popped up only when i wanted it. now that dodge windows option is down, all i am left with is the autohide launcher option. the problem with that is the launcher is not present when the computer turns on. i know that it is there but my father doesn't. he just sits there thinking that the booting process has not completed. this is a serious usability problem. the always show behaviour of the launcher is directly contradicting the statement Unity: A desktop experience designed for efficiency of space and interaction. this was the design principle that i loved in unity. please bring back the doge windows if possible. otherwise at least implement this maximised windows version. it is not perfect but it will do.. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Adding autohide on window maximise would fix bug 873541. At present, a new user will either see misaligned window controls on fullscreen windows (bug 873541), or an empty desktop if they set the launcher to always hide. Surely fullscreen windows that appear 'broken' isn't a good thing for a new user to see, particularly in an LTS release. If this was added, it would fix this bug, at least until a more elegant solution could be implemented. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
About the usability testings, Charline Poirier from the design team is sharing their methodology in the Canonical Design blog: http://design.canonical.com/2012/03/about-usability-testing-recruiting/ -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Who Does the testing . Real world users from all different enviroments or Sheltered team members focused only on the desktop in there own cubical enviroment ? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
From what I have read previously, around 10-20 test subjects from all walks of life and varying computer experience given various tasks to try and write down their feedback on how they got on with said tasks (writing an email, launching a web browser, viewing a photo etc I imagine). I have also read about some 60 minute tests where subjects are sat in front of unity for an hour to see how quickly they take to it. Not sure what kind of tests were used to decide the dodge thing. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Just giving my 2 cents in, i agree that for some users the launcher suddenly hiding would be confusing, but i say Dodge active window and Dodge all windows should still be available as options (selectable through ccsm, ubuntu tweak, what have you, for the poweruser) and just set the default to never hide. In this way we can avoid confusing users while still giving power of customization to people who know what dodge is and like its behaviour. I honestly don't see any benefit from actually removing the dodge code from unity. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
I'm very interested in learning how 'dodge' tested against 'autohide' in the usability testing. Are the results available anywhere? I realise doing a proper writeup takes time but the design research page is quite empty[1]. For me atleast it was quite surprising to not have a unity bar visible after updating to 12.04 and I find it unintuitive that autohide would be preferable over intellihide. [1] http://design.canonical.com/the-research/ -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Seems to me there are currently two burning issues amongst users, this and the minimize from launcher issue. In both cases it has driven the community to come up with their own solutions. Does this not give a case for some sort of unity-addons (or extras or extensions or something) package? As I have said before, when oblivious 11.10 users upgrade and find the dodge behaviour not only gone but removed altogether, there is going to be more uproar. The more users are ignored, the more they are going to be forced into finding other ways of doing things. This may lead to more 3rd party repos or PPA's which may well include badly coded or buggy workarounds which are then going to end up here on launchpad as bug reports. Both the current hide for maximized windows and minimize from launcher workarounds would require a few lines of code, is there really such a lack of resources in this team that this couldn't be worked into unity or as an extras package if you really want to keep unity that lean? After all, the HUD has made it from nothing to it's current state in just a few months and I'm sure that is more complex than hide on maximized? Either way, I have completely lost patience with ubuntu. I hear so much a bout user testing deciding things yet almost 200 users here alone are being completely ignored. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
here is a work around it works good enough for me , not as good as window dodge but better than the two alternatives http://www.webupd8.org/2012/03/get-dodge-windows-unity- autohide.html#more -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
@Danillo If script would be implemented in third party tweak tool then before that multi screen support should be implemented. Next natural step would be implementing something like this inside Unity. Script is more like proof of concept and something that can be tested in real world on how exactly this idea would work. I use the script and i can't imagine i would not be able to use Unity like this anymore and that is why i shared my script for other to use. But i don't think it's optimal solution. -Probably detection of maximized windows could be done differently. -Somebody with experience in Unity/Compiz development could implement something like this to be bulletproof in all scenarios not just Single Screen / Multi Workspaces. -Moving the icons on desktop and produced flickering is not optimal. Icons should not change position but i can't control that with my script. In past Unity 2D used strut but it does not anymore and in Unity 3D it would not work anyway. Icons on the desktop should always stay in newer hide mode. -There is one question on how should windows behave when launcher hides/shows. I think they could behave exactly the same as they do in never hide mode. User could manually move the window inside launcher area when launcher is hidden but when using aero snap and other Compiz windows alignment features they should respect never hide mode. This would probably take away a lot of complexity in the code and flickering of resized windows too and it makes sense too. If u maximize at least one window then there isn't much sense in tiling windows in front of it. But if developers don't have much troubles in implementing different behavior then sure why not. There always is another (tiny) fact. Users actually would like to use this mode and i do believe users want something like this by default. And of course old Dodge Behavior would work too. I am willing to help further but ATM i don't have necessary skills to make anything beyond this script. I see the script has got some media attention and maybe i can trade some fame for some love from somebody making this happen inside Unity. Imagine the one that pulls this off well be famous! :D -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Hey, Ego, since the decision to remove dodge from default Unity was made and apparently will not be reversed, what about integrating your script into 3rd-party applications like Ubuntu Tweak or Unsettings? They have some extra options that not even CCSM have (like natural scrolling and removal of global menus and overlay scrollbars), so they look like the perfect place for non-default functionality like this one. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
http://www.webupd8.org/2012/03/get-dodge-windows-unity-autohide.html -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
personally, i have no problem with default behaviours change. thats canonicals decision. but starting from a default feature and ending in feature removed is too hard. you can't hard-remove a feature which has been THE DEFAULT since a year. i you want change the default config, but let the possibility that people who want can change the config to the old default. thx -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
I thought about this again and i think manual method could work but basically two thoughts prevailed. -Dodge Windows was unique feature of Unity Shell used by many users and that alone is big enough reason not to remove it. -I use my script to hide the launcher when at least one windows is maximized. If i achieved this in few days time and it is robust and works reliable then there really isn't any excuse this could not be easily implemented and maintained in Unity. This two options are the way to go. In the end i hope you won't insist just to insist this should not be available by default and common sense will prevail! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
I am happy with my script it does the job but i have one KISS solution for the masses that i thing it could work: On single monitor environments: 1.) Tap somewhere on empty space or predefined spot on the Launcher puts the Launcher in autohide mode. 2.) Tap again and voila it's in never hide mode. Easy stuff isn't it? I know this is done manually but i think it could work good for most scenarios user wants. The only issue i see is should the icons on the desktop move or not. I think they should not or/and i will leave this to debate. On multi monitor environments: 3.) Per Launcher setting could be used if Launcher would be used on all displays or fourth option would be used: 4.) One launcher only on primary display with option 1 and 2 available. Main objectives: a.) Unity: A desktop experience designed for efficiency of space and interaction. b.) Unity: Lean Shell and Lean Code for Lean Users Achieved? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Please dodge that feature back, it was awesome ! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
After the last updates, I see that maximized windows DO NOT go under the Unity panel, but near its margin. This is MUCH better. Cheers for the devs, -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
It was very hard for anyone to accept this(read anagram) Unity thing. The Gnome2 GUI was perfect for millions. However, some are determined to reduce the numbers of users even more, with poorly argumented decisions. I think someone should take things more seriously, after all they are targeting the business sector, and Ubuntu is not some rich kid toy. They are targeting the touchscreen market but this thing will not have a future, because of poor pointing capabilities, and 90% of the users still use the mouse and have HUGE screens like 21inch, so no need to save screen space using this Unity. I conclude that both scenarios - with autohide and fixed panel - are bad scenarios. Why didn't they give us a PPA or an apt-get install unity-dodge plugin or something like this? I would say that people accept bad news easier when you give them alternatives. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Funny Canonical had to wait for new users (pseudo-)scientific (/dumb) testing to implement something like LIM when all they had to do was to listen to the crowd complaining for ages about what global menu meant in terms of non-maximized windows. Hell, it was right there one step away from their ears but still they made the whole trip around the world to get the exact same result. I guess they will now learn their lessons. Dodge, intellihide, smart, anyone? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
The lesson is to *not* troll on bug reports. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
@Omer Akram I dont think 100 ppl who is actually beta testers are spending their time here to this specific bug report to troll Now go up and read Mark's comments same of them could easily support the Troll face , no offence here. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
sry for the typos* -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Here is another problem based on the removal of dodge - not having a window fully truly maximized. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dfO89c_42g As autohide is not an option for me for reasons i allready explained on his bug report , the only solution that i can think is intellide or what i described on the comment #15( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/930148/comments/15 ) , having different launcher behavior per workspace - output. Any other thoughts are welcome as this application is one example and multiple others can be made. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
I want to add that the the video is on a 15 inch laptop with 1280x800 native resolution. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
In addition to my comment #110 Imagine 3 identical laptops ( 15 inch , 1280x800 ) running a fresh install of Ubuntu 12.04 , OSx and Win 7 . The ubuntu laptop will be the only one that cant support 4 columns in Hootsuite out of the box. Something that come in total conflict with : Unity: A desktop experience designed for efficiency of space and interaction. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
@Mark: On 13/03/12 19:47, Richard Gaskin wrote: I've read many comments about how poorly Dodge tested with users, and have been impressed with the willingness to let a feature go based on user testing results. But unless those tests showed similar results for the decision to conceal menu commands from the user, it would seem there are reasonable questions about the methodology used in those tests. We also decided to provide an option to show the menu all the time, or to integrate it in the app window, based on testing. The feature missed the development window for 12.04, but will land in due course. Hopefully that puts your concerns to rest. -- Would you clarify what due course means? No luck for LTS users? Possible in 12.04.x? Let me show you my disappointment that so many resources have gone into an experimental feature like the HUD, when fundamental usability issues like this have been neglected. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
As of today, I can see dodge is still available in Unity 2D. Not the default, but available as an option via 2D Desktop Settings app, by Mariano Chavero. (Thank you so much Mariano.) @Mark: Can we expect it to live there or are you planning to remove dodge from Unity 2d too? I wouldn't mind living in Unity 2D if dodge was still maintained there (there are only slight differences with 3D and it actually performs faster in older hardware). If someone finds a patch for the permanent menus to work, I might actually switch some 20 customers from Windows to Ubuntu this Spring. Fingers crossed. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
The current default is a good one - stick with it. New users would be unaffected by allowing Dodge as an option which is not the default. As such, all those who like it would still have it available, so everyone here would get exactly what they're after. I've read many comments about how poorly Dodge tested with users, and have been impressed with the willingness to let a feature go based on user testing results. But unless those tests showed similar results for the decision to conceal menu commands from the user, it would seem there are reasonable questions about the methodology used in those tests. Even if we take the user testing results as reported at face value, allowing Dodge as a non-default option lies completely outside of those results, since they would affect zero new users except those who explicitly go out of their way to use Dodge. Given how well Dodge worked functionally, this seems like a win-win for all; I'm having difficulty understanding why there's a conflict at all here. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
On 13/03/12 19:47, Richard Gaskin wrote: I've read many comments about how poorly Dodge tested with users, and have been impressed with the willingness to let a feature go based on user testing results. But unless those tests showed similar results for the decision to conceal menu commands from the user, it would seem there are reasonable questions about the methodology used in those tests. We also decided to provide an option to show the menu all the time, or to integrate it in the app window, based on testing. The feature missed the development window for 12.04, but will land in due course. Hopefully that puts your concerns to rest. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Mr. Shuttleworth, you just made my day. Thanks for that update. I'll drop a note in the Ubuntu forums where this comes up frequently - it'll make a lot of folks as happy as I am. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Regarding the subject matter of this bug report, an ubuntu forums member has been working on the following script which enables hiding for MAXIMIZED windows only: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11761683postcount=15 I have been using this script for the past few days and it works wonderfully and I prefer it to the full-on dodge behaviour. If this is possible with such a small and pretty simple simple, would it really require much code to implement in unity? Seems a good compromise to me... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Confusion for new users ? New users get confused by the software centre , min max button on the left not the right and even more when the window has been maxed and the min max button go to the top bar . None of these have been dropped . Hud may will be confusing for new and old users alike but it wont be defoult . Who would of guest we have been given a choice on this one . New users are part of thhe 80 % market share that ms windows holds . This is ubuntu not windows it has a steep learning curve for all new users becouse its not the norm . As MS say Ubuntu is now about leading not following . ( Confution WILL Follow if you are a leader and question or change the Status quo ) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
I think the there is only two things wrong with 11.10 launcher . Browser back button can reviel the launcher if you are not carefull , easy fix just move the fire fox button a little to the right and you cant minamise by clicking on the icon in the launcher that are already active . -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
I want to apologize for the name calling. No matter what I think about MS, I shouldn't have called him ignorant and arrogant. It just infuriated me that he came here to joke and tease. Since he stated this is settled, I suggest we stop arguing about the decision and follow the open source path (the design team's logic has been proven flawed already and we should not expect an illogical decision to be reconsidered by logical argumentation): bring it back ourselves and ignore the official position. I wouldn't be surprised if the feature was brought back officially in future releases. Since logic is out of the equation, decisions in Ubuntu are easily taken and easily reverted. (That's exactly why I have a hard time deploying Ubuntu in professional environments, btw. Unpredictability is probably the number one feature of Ubuntu these days.) @f_padia: Apple and Microsoft dictate. I don't know if they listen or not, but they definitely dictate without any public discussion between design leaders and users. I've never seen Jobs, Gates or Balmer chatting with their users. I was hoping Ubuntu would be different from that. Maybe I'm just wrong. @Ego: great initiative. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I believe most of us just want a clean maximized window environment and will live happily with the slight inconsistencies your approach might bring (where non-maximized windows are allowed to go, etc.). You have proven it can be done easily (so much for hard to maintain code). More experienced developers might follow and implement this at a lower level, then provide a PPA. My fingers are crossed. Did I say thank you? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
1.) I don't think launcher should Dodge to Windows that are not maximized. It should act exactly the same as never hide mode does and only be hidden when one or more window(s) are maximized. There is nothing hard to understand here for the user it does exactly what it is supposed to to if it does this reliably? Totally agreed. This is just what intellihide means. 2.) Desktop icons should not jump to the edge. They should stay exactly in the same position from never hide mode. Again, I completely agree. 3.) This one is a bit tricky. What should happen to the windows on the desktop. Should they be moved around on triggering hide/show and should they be positioned inside launcher area when launcher is hidden and aero snap is used? I think implementing sophistication in a script is a bit too ambitious. Sure, ideally the launcher should intellihide when you tile your windows to cover the whole screen, and maybe some other cases, but this introduces a complexity that is beyond the basic need: just hide the launcher when at least one window is maximized, so you can concentrate on the work at hand a make use of the most screen real estate, especially on netbooks. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
On point 3, I don't think any added complexities would help the matter. Just a simple, no compromise rule. If the window isn't fully maximized, then the launcher follows the behaviour as set in the options and that includes tiling or anything else. Of course even that would still require a third user option or even a checkbox, Hide when maximized next to the Always show option. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
It should act as never hide mode and only hide the launcher when at least one window is maximized. If in the future somebody would decide aero snap should use launcher area too and windows should resize then great if not OK too but probably there would be some pressure form users to add some complexity? But this decision is something that can still be made in the future if this mode does not get completely removed but until then it would work just as never hide mode does and only hide the launcher when at least one window is maximized. It does not have to have the setting in System Setting if this is a problem. Tools like MyUnity will pick this up quickly and we will find it! And i went trough this bug report and basically i noticed everybody like this mode? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
On 02/03/12 23:25, Aleve Sicofante wrote: Bowser is right: 80+ people have come here to ask for something very reasonable because we do care about Unity, and you think there's something to joke about? Yes we have all read what people affected by this bug have to say. We haven't read what the decision makers -that includes YOU- have to say. Are you listening and reasoning or not? Easy fixed , make it an option . Then you dont have to please us all becouse it will be our choice. Yes, I'm listening and reasoning. This has been debated extensively on the unity-design list. You can find the rationale from me there. I take Ubuntu and Unity very seriously, I devote my life to them. Decisions are not taken lightly, but even decisions that are carefully taken will have folk who disagree. It is not possible to please everybody all the time, even those who are generally supportive of what we're doing, or contributors, will disagree with some bits. The issue has been settled, and if you care enough about it, you'll find the rationale and be satisfied that at least it was considered and experimented with and decided against. This was one of my favourite features too, but I believe taking it out makes the whole better. I will never convince all of you. So I'm just going to tease those of you who want to start this discussion again from step 1.0. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Just give us the choice . Allways visable , auto hide or Widows can cover like in KDE -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
The rationale is that the behaviour causes confusion. After several proposals that could completely eliminate such confusion, the rationale doesn't seem very rational. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
well we have gotten our answer. No mater how illogical, or lacking truth, it is what it is. I just have one question before I unsubscribe to this bug. If design truly believes in the rational behind not just changing a reasonable and intelligent feature, but gutting it entirely. Then why is it still a part of unity 2D? The cynic in me says it's because they know they've fubar'd compiz beyond repair. They aren't using compiz in any of their other unity projects, wonder why? Canonical doesn't care about desktop users, we are nothing more than beta testers. Testers they don't listen to half the time anyway. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
On 05/03/12 22:44, Aleve Sicofante wrote: Since usability testing revealed that the feature confuses ***NEW*** users, and new users only, it simply must not be the default. Try again. New users don't become committed users if they are confused early on in their explorations. Aleve, there is something here for you to learn, I would urge you to think about it. Mark -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
On 05/03/12 23:35, Aleve Sicofante wrote: You have gone from tests poorly to lets remove it. This has been proven a fallacy too many times to insist. References for that assertion? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Even with dodge windows gone, I still think the original question regarding hiding the launcher for maximized window is valid. As I said in a previous statement, a simple visual cue would solve any confusion. So a new user logs in to their desktop, opens a few apps, clicks on the dash etc... So far so good. A user then maximizes and window and *poof* where's the launcher gone? Confused! So how about a new user logs in to their desktop, opens a few apps, clicks on the dash etc... So far so good. A user then maximizes a window and before the launcher vanishes a small box pops up with an arrow pointing to the launcher, maybe in the style of the quicklist menus, with a simple message: When you maximize a an application, the launcher will move out of the way for you, giving you more space to work. Obviously the wording could be much improved but it would let the new user know exactly what is happening the first time they see it, without changing the behaviour people have become used to. Aren't those who were new users with 11.10 going to be confused or annoyed when they upgrade to the new version and find behaviour they were used to has suddenly vanished and they don't know why? I'm sure they aren't going to think of searching mailing lists for the reason and so there will be another wave of complaints and discussions on this issue which is likely to continue for some time. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
I would love to hear what Mark has to say about the above comment I posted a few days ago and the very reasons and arguments why There are many things you can do with dodge that you cannot do without it.. And why not removing autohide instead, which is definitely the useless and dumb behaviour. Or making it at least usable with intellihide. The smart behaviour was the main distinction with Gnome Shell. Now that we'll also have to trigger everything the dumb way just to see which instances are open (with a laptop touchpad, have fun!) or the progress bars, and such, why stick to Unity if it becomes even less productive than GS is? The other option would be to stick to Unity in 11.10, there's NOT ONE new feature in 12.04 worth losing dodging anyway. Just because of this removal, it's the first time in 5 years using Ubuntu I'm stuck in a dead-end preventing me from upgrading. That's frustrating. Even more if I consider how seamless and bug-free dodging works for me. Attracting 1 newcomer through one ear at the precise moment 2 long time faithful users leave out the other may not be the best way to keep the momentum on a product. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
@ Bertrandel and all the others complaining about the loss of dodge windows... First of all I agree with you that the loss of dodge windows is bad. It was a lovely (and intuitive) feature imho and for it to be completely removed is a real shame and even slightly puzzling. HOWEVER, the decision has been made. Dodge windows is gone and we should accept that. While i'm no way an Ubuntu fanboy I do have a lot of respect for MS and all the people that make Ubuntu what it is and I back the decisions that they make. Of course, it is important to point out decisions we think are bad and I believe in this case that had been done quite clearly. Hopefully this will mean the feature will make a return as some point in the future. But now lets put this aside and embrace new features (such as HUD which I think is great :)). I find it hard to believe that some long time members will stop using the OS simply because the launcher does not dodge windows. Thats really quite childish behaviour if you think about it. It's like the following child: I want that one. parent: No you're not allowed it. child: fine then im not your friend, im leaving Now im not in anyway suggesting Ubuntu is the parent and the user is the child! bu im just trying to emphasise my point. leaving an OS because of one lost feature isnt a mature move. Besides if you just wanted a bit of eye-candy and some nice features then maybe other OS's would be better for you anyway (not referring to any in particular ;)). But I personally have countless other reasons for using Ubuntu and so the loss of this single feature, in truth, wont affect me much at all. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Dodge windows is gone, yes but this report is about the possibility of autohiding the launcher for maximized windows only. That surely wouldn't need the return of dodge and all it's code? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
@shane, sorry I went a bit off track in my response, I got caught up in all the previous comments about the loss of dodge... Im no developer so I wouldn't know what was involved in making your suggestion work, but it does sound reasonable. Personally I'm not sure i'd like this behaviour because it would lead to inconsistent behaviour for a single setting. e.g. for maximised windows the launcher would autohide but for non- maximised windows the launcher would behave differently. Judging from the reason(s) that dodge was removed I dont think the behvaiour you suggest would be suitable either i.e. new users would probably find it confusing (and maybe even a little annoying too). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
On 06/03/12 11:34, shane wrote: Dodge windows is gone, yes but this report is about the possibility of autohiding the launcher for maximized windows only. That surely wouldn't need the return of dodge and all it's code? It would trigger the very experience which tested worst for dodge. Mark -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
New users don't become committed users if they are confused early on in their
explorations.
Hence: let's move dodge from default to optional. NOT remove dodge. Can't you
seriously get that?
Moreover: committed users go away if you keep changing the way Unity
works on every release (or changing default apps for obscure reasons,
like the Rythmbox-Banshee dance). As a matter of fact, keeping seasoned
users is Ubuntu's biggest problem right now. Especially when you keep
infuriating them by coming here to play games (teasing).
Aleve, there is something here for you to learn, I would urge you to
think about it.
I'm eager to learn. Please enlighten me, but stop playing games (teasing
and smilies).
On 05/03/12 23:35, Aleve Sicofante wrote:
You
have gone from tests poorly to lets remove it. This has been proven
a fallacy too many times to insist.
References for that assertion?
1. If you're talking about You have gone from tests poorly to let's
remove it you can't be seriously asking for references. The unity-
design list is full of them.
2. If you're talking about This has been proven a fallacy too many
times to insist you might want to re-read the whole thread here. But
you must first admit what LOGIC DICTATES. When a good feature (it IS
good, even you yourself like it and this very bug shows it is) is not
newbie-friendly the right thing to do is to keep it hidden for advanced
users to use, not removing it. Of course killing the dog will end the
rabies (literal translation of Spanish proverb), but logic explains
that ending the rabies should be about keeping the dog alive.
Removing a feature MUST be the result of many parameters. Claiming this
feature isn't maintainable MIGHT be a good reason (when added to others,
like the newbie confusion or its eventual uselessness, which has been
also disproved), and that's exactly why a clever guy (the OP) suggested
to replace dodge with simple intellihide. Here:
if (anyWindow.maximized) {
launcher.hide;
}
else launcher.show;
Yes, it's pseudo-code (at best, it's been ages since I stopped
programming), but even the most complex implementation can't go much
farther. You can't seriously say that function is hard to maintain. You
can't also seriously say there are serious implications of having too
many options when intellihide just implements an intelligent way to
switch between always-hide and always-show, two states that are already
supported.
The problem here, I'm afraid, is that you have made a decision (It's
settled) without even exploring alternatives (intellihide) or even
applying basic logic (dogs and rabies...)
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[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Yes but if this is just an option for advanced user, this will trigger productivity ... Now I am switching between autohide (that I hate because I can't view the progression bar and all the indications on the launcher) and never hide (which is just a big waste of space on dual screen sets ... even with the smallest icon setting) Now I use KDE ... Multi screen on Unity has become such a mess ... I have a big problem related to the two screens having different maximum resolution and filling a bug seems such a waste of time in here recently ... I very pleased that we at least speak about what I was suggesting ^^ Not a full dodge window, but a simplified one. Just autohide when something is maximized and never hide when nothing is maximized. Sort of a full screen mode. And it's already too late for Precise I'm afraid. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
It would trigger the very experience which tested worst for dodge. Which as I have said a couple of times, could be completely avoided with a simple visual message the first time it happens. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
@f_padia: the decision has been made. Dodge windows is gone and we should accept that. Why? Is this Microsoft or Apple now? Mark is here. We're debating. If this is set in stone and there's no way on Earth intellihide can be implemented (THIS BUG IS NOT ABOUT BRINGING BACK DODGE, PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING) I want to hear it ASAP. Wasting people's time is not nice. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
I find it hard to believe that some long time members will stop using the OS simply because the launcher does not dodge windows. Thats really quite childish behaviour if you think about it. It's like the following child: I want that one. parent: No you're not allowed it. child: fine then im not your friend, im leaving Why childish? I think bertrandel is not the only one who can leave Ubuntu for another distro. If you read his comment above, he is afraid to leave Ubuntu, he doesn't want to, for this reason is a comment which I'm very identified with. One of the greatest value of the free software is the possibility to choose. The people to is posting here, is people who wants to use unity: there is a lot of people who doesn't like unity, they perhaps moved to Mint, but now, it is necessary to add more people?? people who likes unity??t In my opinion childish is who goes ahead without listening other people who maybe thinks different. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
@shane: You are exactly right. I'd like to add something that has been suggested in other places (I believe it was at OMG Ubuntu comments). A slow animation when hiding the launcher at window's maximize would explain what's going on very easily. The problem for newbies seems to be the launcher just disappears. They don't have a problem with dodging the launcher with non-maximized windows because dodging is animated and follows the movement of the window dodging it. They have a problem with the launcher just vanishing when a window is maximized. Instead of vanishing the launcher, a visible animation of the launcher going away would explain its behavior perfectly well. Of course you can add a tip balloon the first time time too (with a don't show again box or something similar). Has this slow animation/tip been tested too? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
@Aleve: (THIS BUG IS NOT ABOUT BRINGING BACK DODGE, PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING) Please read your own posts before asking me to read before posting... Nearly every single one of your posts tries to make a case for bringing back dodge or at least moans about the loss of dodge. Is this Microsoft or Apple now clearly, this is neither of those comapnies, but I dont see your point here, are you suggesting that they are the only companies that make decisions on features? or are you suggesting that they dont listen to users? We're debating Fair enough, but when it has been pointed out that The issue has been settled (see post #43) it becomes less of a debate and more of a complaint. If this is set in stone and there's no way on Earth intellihide can be implemented I want to hear it ASAP Use your logic here (by the way I love the dog and rabies thing I cant wait to use that myself :)). If dodge was dropped because of poor user testing, and more specifically, because new users found it confusing do you noestly think that changing the behaviour of the launcher for different situations is going to fare any better? Logic tells me no. Let me re-iterate I agree with you that dodge was good, and on that basis I think intellihide would also be be a decent feature, but on LOGIC alone it clearly would not make sense to consider such a feature. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
I must also add to my later comment that I don't like KDE very much it's an horrible mess of options, a lot are inconsistently placed. And I don't want Unity to become like that. So if I'm requesting to add an other optional behavior for the launcher, it's because I feel that it's crucial. As crucial as making unity on multiscreen setting with different resolution not messing up when it come to maximize a Window. If a window is too big for the little screen when I click maximize the window literally jump to the big screen, I have to resize the window to fit in the little screen, then I can maximize ... (Is this bug already reported ? Because everyone laugh at Unity when they see me fighting with it when I do some presentation with a projector ... And that's really embarrassing ^^ ) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
@xuflete In my opinion childish is who goes ahead without listening other people who maybe thinks different but clearly they have listened to people who think differently. Mark himself said he liked dodge, but the users in the testing said they didn't. and so it was removed. If thats called going ahead without listening to other people who thinks different then what you're actually suggesting is that the only correct descision is one that agrees with your opinion which ironically is what you're calling childish. If you choose to ignore the fact that user testing showed that dodge behaviour wasnt good then thats up to you. Granted we have to take Mark's word on the fact that it didnt go down well with new users but once you do accept that there really isnt anything to it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
@f_padia: Sorry to have been too much insistent, I only wanted dodge windows as an option (not necessary by default). Now I realize I'm asking maybe too much. Now I'm childish: papa, can I go out tonight NOOO!! ok, papa -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
@ Mark If you get chance to read back over some of the recent comments, could you please give your views on the specific idea of a visual message to explain where the launcher has gone and whether such an approach has been tested? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
@f_padia. An operating system does what it's called, it operates a system, and I would even say it's operating a workflow, the one that makes your tasks (and life) easier. So yes, using Unity without dodge/intellihide is not an option for me. It will make my workflow a lot more unintuitive, uncomfortable and definitely slower. The reason I liked Unity ways over Gnome Shell was this one precisely, you don't have to make many annoying and useless large gestures to get the gist of what you're currently doing/is currently open. At least in Gnome Shell you can use extensions to make up for it. In Unity, nothing can compensate the lack of overview of this dumb autohide. I'm by no means resistant to change (e.g. Unity, buttons on left, Global menu, ... ), I've always adapted, but Unity without dodging is not an option for me, there's no way to adapt to this. I've tried both options left a few times, and both are uncomfortable and getting in my way, unusable, autohide taking the biscuit in terms of uselessness. So what I don't get is why they don't remove autohide instead, which no newcomer will understand anyhow, is dumb, uncomfortable and useless. This would spare resources more appropriately, since the smart behaviour is definitely required. Or they can give us a PPA. Or intellihide with visual message. Whatever they want, I don't care, as long as they let us the possibility to use the only behaviour either productive (as opposed to autohide), consistent (as opposed to never hide) and ergonomic (as opposed to autohide). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
I wanted to see this proposal by my self and test it on my PC and with some help of fellow Ubuntu users i managed to do this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11743771postcount=6 Properly configured Bash script started at session login (Startup Applications) that detects maximized windows and hides/shows the launcher accordingly. This solution only works on single screen/workspace but it demonstrates this proposal! If i would have enough experience i would probably try to use data from Window manager. Both Metacity and Compiz have support for detecting maximized widows (_NET_WM_STATE, ATOM[])? http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-1.3.html Will this still be there when migration to Wayland is done? Bit to technical for me yes. Two things i think this implementation should consider: First: Launcher should act the same as Dodge Windows does it should detect maximized windows per screen/workspace. I don't know how this is done but per screen/workspace detection is a must. Second: What happens when launcher hides? 1.) I don't think launcher should Dodge to Windows that are not maximized. It should act exactly the same as never hide mode does and only be hidden when one or more window(s) are maximized. There is nothing hard to understand here for the user it does exactly what it is supposed to to if it does this reliably? 2.) Desktop icons should not jump to the edge. They should stay exactly in the same position from never hide mode. 3.) This one is a bit tricky. What should happen to the windows on the desktop. Should they be moved around on triggering hide/show and should they be positioned inside launcher area when launcher is hidden and aero snap is used? Maximized application should never minimize inside launcher area. They should always respect never hide mode. For aero snap i don't know. If it's trouble then no user should not be able to position open windows with aero snap inside launcher area. It should act the same as never hide mode does. And this solution brings another benefit. It was asked in this topic if this will be implemented: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/930148/comments/15 Useful feature isn't it? Suggestion i made this would already be implemented? User would not be bothered with settings. If user wants the whole screen just press maximize button else there is nothing wrong if the launcher is on the screen. True? And please don't say user will get confused if Unity Shell will not be d*mb. It will be d*mb enough when he tries it but later on if he choose to use it he will start to like this mode and be bragging to his/her friends about it! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 930148] Re: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?
Without wanting to sound inflammatory (it certainly isn't meant to), I would be interested to know why the feedback of a handful of individuals who are unfamiliar with unity seems more valuable than that of the 90+ people who have marked themselves affected by this bug (as some people clearly consider it)? I am not devaluing the usefulness of such testing but I would assume many, if not all the people who have contributed to this bug have been using unity for at least one release cycle. These are people for whom the dodge behaviour was also new to them but they don't seem to have been confused by it? As I have mentioned before, plenty of users who were new last term are going to be confused by the removal of a feature they have become used to. Personally, I can use either behaviour. I prefer dodge/autohide for maximized windows but I CAN live without it. Others clearly feel much more strongly on the subject. I would guess the 90+ people affected so far will be over 100 within a few days and that seems like an awful lot of people to ignore. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930148 Title: Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/930148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
