[Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-09-01 Thread Jonathan
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[Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-08-31 Thread Jonathan
I have heard that for EFI systems shim is used. Chroot-ing and
installing shim should fix it.

I also have a solution for the GPT situation. Creating a new image for
32-bit EFI systems could fix the problem (separating BIOS images from
UEFI images).

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[Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-08-08 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
@vorlon
but ubuntu community could build a usb only d-i image to support booting those 
targets. As for example http://www.minnowboard.org/ does fall into this 
category of devices as well.

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[Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-08-07 Thread Theodore Thorpe
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[Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-08-07 Thread Steve Langasek
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/26734.html for further explanation of the
problems with trying to support 32-bit UEFI.

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[Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-07-02 Thread vaskoiii
If UEFI boot on a 32bit processor is not easily possible with linux I
will be stuck with windows 8.

More Info:
Laptop: HP Envy x2
Desired Scenario: Dual booting ubuntu with windows 8

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[Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-06-28 Thread Hidayat Yusuf
I have asus vivotab and seems like the only linux dist that support 32
bit of UEFI implementation is Debian EFI test CD.

i found a guide here: http://it-stuff-i-needed.blogspot.com/2013/05/my-
progress-on-installing-ubuntulinux.html

but i am unable to load the kernel thus having only the grub selection
page and then nothing else.

hope someone manage to get ubuntu to boot with the atom clover trail.

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[Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-06-17 Thread FredL
I am a bit annoyed with Ubuntu. I had hoped that going to Ubuntu 13
32bit EFI support would be provided but ... Why it such a big deal
to provide a 32bit EFI iso?

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[Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-05-29 Thread sean
I have a legitimate issue with this as well.
I just bought a Dell Latitude 10 with the intended purpose of trying out 
ubuntu's more touch friendly features on my new atom 32bit processor.

As all dells now come with EFI instead of BIOS i'm suck until the 32bit
Grub is adapted to support EFI.

I can get the 64bit ISO on a thumbdrive to be recognized by the Dell Latitude 
10 inch tablet.
But when I select it to boot, it just goes to windows.

I can also get the 32bit ISO  on a thumbdrive to be recognized by the Dell 
Latitude 10 inch tablet.
But when I select it to boot, it just goes to windows.

I believe this is an issue with Ubuntu's lack of EFI support on their
32bit ISO, and Also intels lack of Legacy support on their new Tablet.

Is there a beta version we can begin testing?

Does anyone know if you can turn off EFI on the Dell Latitude 10?

The Latitude 10 is the cheapest tablet with an intel atom processor. It
seems an ideal candidate for pushing this bug up to the front.

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[Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-04-27 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
We need a fork for this, grub2/i386-efi by default creates invalid
entries.

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[Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-04-27 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
This fork will be modified for only loading linux and chainloader
kernels, and only in UEFI mode. Remember:C language was crippled from B.

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[Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-04-27 Thread sudodus
This bug is related to

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1173527

'Make the Ubuntu and flavours i386 (32-bit) version check for UEFI, and
if found, bail out and advice to download and install the 64-bit
version.'

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Re: [Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-04-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 06:55:14PM -, Phillip Susi wrote:
 How so?  The BIOS doesn't even look at the partition table when it's on
 a cd, and seeing an unknown partition type on a HD has never concerned
 the bios either.

In fact, it's not actually the USB boot that's the problem, but CD boot. 
Because UEFI CD booting is handled using El Torito multicatalog support -
there are legacy 32-bit BIOSes that don't implement this part of the El
Torito standard correctly, and fall over hilariously when more than one boot
catalog is present.  So adding UEFI to the i386 images would introduce
regressions that it's not worth tracking down.

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[Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-04-18 Thread FredL
I also don't understand the reluctance to release 32 efi compatible
media. The 64 bit media are well tested, support traditional bios
hardware, efi only and efi legacy. Why would this be different for 32
bit. Leaving it with the (often non-expert) users to install it
themselves with several hooks and pitfalls seems a bit weak to me from
the side of ubuntu.  I am a semi-experienced Linux user, but I am
reluctant to do this myself.

As Dmitrijs sas The bug here is against ubuntu-cdimage project that we
don't generate any 32-bit uefi capable installation media. But i'd like
to see a significant market share of 32bit-only-UEFI machines before we
do introduce such an image.

What do you see as a significant markershare. There is a clear problem,
a clear demand from several users, a fair number of hardware affected
... I'd say that sounds significant enough.

If it helps to launch  a ticket to ubuntu-cdimage then we can of course
do so.

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[Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-04-18 Thread FredL
PS . btw. ubuntu runs perfectly fine (though a bit slow) through the
emulator under windows 8 on my ACER W510. So I think there is no problem
with Ubuntu itself and these machines. It's indeed only the installation
support which is not up to par.

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Re: [Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-04-18 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 18 April 2013 00:15, Phillip Susi ps...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 Why would a bios only 32 bit machine fail to boot simply because there
 happens to be a directory named efi on the cd image with some files in
 it?  It shouldn't know or care that the disc is efi bootable.


Well there is also GPT partition table and a second EFI partition on
the image as well.
You can inspect it with `kpartx -a *.iso`. That can choke.
I'd love to for not a single machine to regress by failing to boot the
i386 image with added UEFI support.

Regards,

Dmitrijs.

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Re: [Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-04-18 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 18 April 2013 08:43, FredL 1025...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
 I also don't understand the reluctance to release 32 efi compatible
 media. The 64 bit media are well tested, support traditional bios
 hardware, efi only and efi legacy. Why would this be different for 32
 bit. Leaving it with the (often non-expert) users to install it
 themselves with several hooks and pitfalls seems a bit weak to me from
 the side of ubuntu.  I am a semi-experienced Linux user, but I am
 reluctant to do this myself.

 As Dmitrijs sas The bug here is against ubuntu-cdimage project that we
 don't generate any 32-bit uefi capable installation media. But i'd like
 to see a significant market share of 32bit-only-UEFI machines before we
 do introduce such an image.

 What do you see as a significant markershare. There is a clear problem,
 a clear demand from several users, a fair number of hardware affected
 ... I'd say that sounds significant enough.


The emphasis was on 32bit-only. Most of the UEFI booting by default
machines are 64bit and thus they should be using the amd64 install
media which is fully supported.
Most of the 32-bit machines are BIOS only today. (7 year old macbooks
are EFI by default, but still had BIOS boot available after Mac OS
upgrade)
In this bug report the Atom-System-on-a-Chip was identified as a 32bit
platform with UEFI-only boot option. Supporting such platform would
require creating a new install media.
I am considering to spit that task as a separate request to support
those machines.
For all other machines, they are 64-bit capable and should be using
amd64 media that works for them starting with 12.10 and 12.04.2 LTS
releases.
I don't follow, why should we adapt and create a second install media
for UEFI+64bit machines at the expense of regressing and failing to
boot older i386-bios machines.
Atom-System-on-a-Chip systems don't have an install media at the
moment, but they also were never yet supported, so it's not a
regression but a desirable feature request.

Regards,

Dmitrijs.

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[Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-04-18 Thread Phillip Susi
On a hard disk the EFI system partition is a separate partition, but I
did not think this was the case on removable media.  I thought for CDs
you just got an /EFI directory within the normal iso9660 filesystem.

I thought the the partition table is part of the new hybrid cd stuff and
is only used when you dd the image directly to a flash drive, and isn't
required to boot the installer in EFI mode.

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Re: [Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-04-18 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 18 April 2013 15:29, Phillip Susi ps...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 On a hard disk the EFI system partition is a separate partition, but I
 did not think this was the case on removable media.  I thought for CDs
 you just got an /EFI directory within the normal iso9660 filesystem.

 I thought the the partition table is part of the new hybrid cd stuff and
 is only used when you dd the image directly to a flash drive, and isn't
 required to boot the installer in EFI mode.


I'm not sure when/where it's needed, but it is present on the ISO. And
thus i'd expect it to be present on the burned CD/DVD and hence the
concern that older 32-bit BIOS can trip on that.

Regards,

Dmitrijs.

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Re: [Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-04-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 02:29:10PM -, Phillip Susi wrote:
 On a hard disk the EFI system partition is a separate partition, but I
 did not think this was the case on removable media.  I thought for CDs
 you just got an /EFI directory within the normal iso9660 filesystem.

 I thought the the partition table is part of the new hybrid cd stuff and
 is only used when you dd the image directly to a flash drive, and isn't
 required to boot the installer in EFI mode.

That new hybrid CD stuff is an integral part of all of our image builds;
and adding EFI into the mix on 32-bit definitely carries a high risk of
regressing currently-supported configurations, either as CD or as HD.

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[Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-04-18 Thread Phillip Susi
How so?  The BIOS doesn't even look at the partition table when it's on
a cd, and seeing an unknown partition type on a HD has never concerned
the bios either.

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[Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-04-17 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
** Description changed:

  64bits EFI computer (with GPT disk) with pre-installed 64bits Windows7.
  AND 32bits EFI computer without legacy boot support
  
  1) Installing Ubuntu 12.04 64bit creates a valid /efi/ubuntu/grubx64.efi
  entry. At reboot, the GRUB menu appears and allows to boot Ubuntu.
  
  2) Installing Ubuntu 12.04 32bits installs grub-pc, which creates no EFI
  entry. Ubuntu can't be booted (except if it is possible to deactivate
  EFI mode).
  
  3) Installing grub-efi from an already installed Ubuntu32 creates
  /efi/ubuntu/boot.efi , and /efi/ubuntu/grubia32.efi . Both EFI entries
  fail.
  
  4) Installing grub-efi in an already installed Ubuntu32 in chroot via an
  Ubuntu64 live-CD ( so that grub-efi has access to EFI variables) also
  creates two invalid EFI entries (/efi/ubuntu/boot.efi , and
  /efi/ubuntu/grubia32.efi ).
  
  CONCLUSION:
  - grub-efi 32bits always creates invalid entries.
  - Installing Ubuntu32 bits on an EFI system should be blocked by Ubiquity 
(the Ubuntu installer). In this case, Ubiquity should ask the user to install 
Ubuntu64 instead.
  - the Download page should warn that the 32bits ISO is not compatible with 
recent (EFI) computers
  
  === Workarounds ==
  
  If you have UEFI-only machine, please use amd64 (64-bit) images. That
  image will most likely work for you as your machine is highly likely a
  64-bit one.
  
  If you truly have 32-bit-only CPU and UEFI-only machines please post
  exact Manufacturer, OEM, make, brand and model number as a comment on
  this bug report.
+ 
+ * ACER W510 tablet
+ 
+ (potential work-around disable secure boot, prepare usb-stick with 32bit
+ grub-efi image installed, boot of that and perform manual  -
+ debootstrap based installation: manually partition, manually install
+ grub-efi, debootstrap packages, attempt to boot.)

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[Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-04-17 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
** Description changed:

  64bits EFI computer (with GPT disk) with pre-installed 64bits Windows7.
  AND 32bits EFI computer without legacy boot support
  
  1) Installing Ubuntu 12.04 64bit creates a valid /efi/ubuntu/grubx64.efi
  entry. At reboot, the GRUB menu appears and allows to boot Ubuntu.
  
  2) Installing Ubuntu 12.04 32bits installs grub-pc, which creates no EFI
  entry. Ubuntu can't be booted (except if it is possible to deactivate
  EFI mode).
  
  3) Installing grub-efi from an already installed Ubuntu32 creates
  /efi/ubuntu/boot.efi , and /efi/ubuntu/grubia32.efi . Both EFI entries
  fail.
  
  4) Installing grub-efi in an already installed Ubuntu32 in chroot via an
  Ubuntu64 live-CD ( so that grub-efi has access to EFI variables) also
  creates two invalid EFI entries (/efi/ubuntu/boot.efi , and
  /efi/ubuntu/grubia32.efi ).
  
  CONCLUSION:
  - grub-efi 32bits always creates invalid entries.
  - Installing Ubuntu32 bits on an EFI system should be blocked by Ubiquity 
(the Ubuntu installer). In this case, Ubiquity should ask the user to install 
Ubuntu64 instead.
  - the Download page should warn that the 32bits ISO is not compatible with 
recent (EFI) computers
  
  === Workarounds ==
  
  If you have UEFI-only machine, please use amd64 (64-bit) images. That
  image will most likely work for you as your machine is highly likely a
  64-bit one.
  
  If you truly have 32-bit-only CPU and UEFI-only machines please post
  exact Manufacturer, OEM, make, brand and model number as a comment on
  this bug report.
  
- * ACER W510 tablet
+ Currently known machines that are affected are Intel Atom 32-bit 
System-on-a-chip based machines, such as phones  tablets as listed on:
+ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_(system_on_chip)
+ 
+ Please note explicit Intel Atom (CPU) architecture has not been
+ supported in Ubuntu for a while know. The Atom system-on-chip is a new 
+ upcoming type of processors that are not supported by Ubuntu at the
+ moment and further work is required to bring up an Ubuntu port to such
+ machines. At the moment those machines have limited stock, high pricetag
+ and no Ubuntu ports known to be in progress.
  
  (potential work-around disable secure boot, prepare usb-stick with 32bit
  grub-efi image installed, boot of that and perform manual  -
  debootstrap based installation: manually partition, manually install
  grub-efi, debootstrap packages, attempt to boot.)

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[Bug 1025555] Re: Ubuntu i386 images are not compatible with recent (UEFI) computers

2013-04-17 Thread Phillip Susi
Why would a bios only 32 bit machine fail to boot simply because there
happens to be a directory named efi on the cd image with some files in
it?  It shouldn't know or care that the disc is efi bootable.

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