[Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2018-02-07 Thread Daniel van Vugt
You make excellent points.

1) Going forward I believe the Gnome guys see anything that's not
libinput as unsupported. So we could log an enhancement request to get
them to add Xorg synaptics support (ie. tweak the same things as
'synclient' does). But they're likely to ignore that request. Still, I
think if someone could implement it based on the synclient code, they
might accept a patch.

2) This is certainly a problem and what we should be fixing (although I
haven't tested upgrades myself to verify). Let's make this bug about the
upgrade problem.

Thanks for persisting and figuring it out.

** Summary changed:

- touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10
+ Touchpad settings don't work after upgrading to 17.10 
(xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is still installed)

** Summary changed:

- Touchpad settings don't work after upgrading to 17.10 
(xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is still installed)
+ Touchpad settings don't work after upgrading to 17.10 (because 
xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is still installed)

** Changed in: libinput (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete => New

** Also affects: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** No longer affects: libinput

** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => High

** Changed in: libinput (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => High

** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
   Importance: High => Medium

** Changed in: libinput (Ubuntu)
   Importance: High => Medium

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[Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2018-02-07 Thread Jonathan Kamens
OK, so...

Both disabling tap-to-click and enabling disable-touchpad-while-typing
work properly, in both "Ubuntu" and "Ubuntu on Xorg", when I remove the
xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package.

I suppose that means this bug is invalid, BUT...

1) It still seems like a bug to me that installing xserver-xorg-input-
synaptics breaks stuff. Shouldn't both the settings app and gnome-tweak-
tool be able to tell when that X server driver is being used and behave
appropriately?

2) I don't believe I ever installed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics by
hand, so I assume it was a holdover from before I upgraded to 17.10. So
is it a bug we should be paying attention to -- or documenting in the
release notes, or SOMETHING -- that upgrading from before 17.10 to 17.10
or later is going to break anyone who has the xserver-xorg-input-
synaptics package installed before the upgrade?

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[Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2018-02-06 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: libinput
   Status: Unknown => Invalid

** Changed in: libinput
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[Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2018-02-05 Thread Daniel van Vugt
"Tap to Click" is meant to be configurable in the GUI here:

  Settings > Devices > Mouse & Touchpad > Touchpad > Tap to Click

If you don't see that option then the issue is either:

  (a) libinput or the kernel have not detected your touchpad as a clickpad 
correctly; or
  (b) You have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed so the Touchpad GUI will 
be missing.

Also note this will be ignored by libinput as it is a setting for
xserver-xorg-input-synaptics only:

Section "InputClass"
  Identifier "disable touchpad tap to click, enable palm detection"
  Driver "synaptics"

Please clarify for us if you have kept xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
installed. Because if you have and continue to log into "Ubuntu on
Xorg", then libinput has nothing to do with your issues and this bug
needs redirecting elsewhere.

** Changed in: libinput (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2018-02-05 Thread Daniel van Vugt
** Also affects: libinput via
   https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104956
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2018-02-05 Thread Jonathan Kamens
Logging into Ubuntu (i.e., not "Ubuntu on Xorg"), the "Disable While
Typing" Touchpad setting in gnome-tweak-tool now appears to work.
Furthermore, tapping to click does _not_ work, i.e., the behavior I want
is present by default as far as I can tell. In fact, I can't figure out
any way to cause tapping the touchpad to generate a click. So either the
behavior has changed in an update since I reported this bug, or I was
using Xorg but thought I was using Wayland.

Logging into Ubuntu on Xorg, without anything special in any of my X
server config files, the "Disable While Typing" setting in gnome-tweak-
tool doesn't do anything, and tap to click is enabled and there's no way
I can find to disable it. So that appears to be a bug in GNOME, not a
bug in libinput. There should be a way to disable tap to click, and the
"Disable While Typing" setting should be obeyed. If it's not, then I
believe that means GNOME isn't populating that setting through to the X
server the way it needs to be, which doesn't sound like a libinput bug.

Logging into Ubuntu on Xorg, these lines added to the "libinput touchpad
catchall" section of /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf appear
to have no effect, even though Xorg.0.log confirms that section is being
applied:

Option "Tapping" "false"
Option "DisableWhileTyping" "true"
Option "PalmDetection" "true"

Perhaps this is a libinput bug, or perhaps the synaptics sections that
are being applied to the device after the libinput sections are
overriding the libinput settings?

Again logging into Ubuntu on Xorg, if I add this to my X config then tap
to click is gone and it seems like there is _some_ protection against
brushing against the trackpad, although there still isn't full disable
by typing:

Section "InputClass"
  Identifier "disable touchpad tap to click, enable palm detection"
  Driver "synaptics"
  MatchIsTouchpad "on"
  MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
  Option "MaxTapTime" "0"
  Option "PalmDetect" "on"
EndSection

So, the potential issues that _I_ see here are that the Disable While
Typing setting does not work in "Ubuntu on Xorg", and that the libinput
options I'm configuring into my X server don't appear to take effect.
Should I indeed open a libinput bug about that, or re-open the bug I
opened and closed but clarify in the re-opened bug that it only applies
to Xorg, not to Wayland?

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[Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2018-02-05 Thread Jonathan Kamens
Actually, I think opening a libinput bug is premature, for reasons I
will explain below. I'm going to close that other bug until I can
quantify better what is going on.

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[Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2018-02-05 Thread Jonathan Kamens
Filed https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104956.


** Bug watch added: freedesktop.org Bugzilla #104956
   https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104956

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[Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2018-02-04 Thread Daniel van Vugt
Jonathan,

I suggest a workaround might be to:
1. sudo apt install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
2. Only log in to "Ubuntu on Xorg", so now you're avoiding libinput completely.
3. Tweak your settings with 'synclient'.

Since this sounds like a problem specifically with libinput, please help
us to progress this issue by reporting it upstream to the libinput
developers here:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=wayland=libinput

And when done, let us know the ID of the newly-created bug.

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[Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2018-02-03 Thread Satya Arjunan
I can confirm that I have the same issue on Macbook Pro late 2017 model
14,2. Please fix this.

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[Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2017-12-22 Thread Charles Green
/me Looks at all the settings again

I have the same problem as Jonathan, and can confirm that the mouse is
set correctly.

It does operate properly if the touchscreen of my computer is disabled,
but if the touchscreen is active, then the disable-to-type function of
the touchpad does not work properly.

I've attached my Xorg.0.log as well.


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[Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2017-12-22 Thread Jonathan Kamens
/me Checks if I am an idiot.

Nope, looks like I am not an idiot!

The only settings available in Settings > Devices > Mouse & Touchpad are
"Primary Button", "Mouse Speed", and "Natural Scrolling".

And as you can see from the Xorg.0.log which I have attached, the
touchpad appears to be detected as a touchpad just fine.

Also, it seems highly questionable to change a bug from Confirmed to
Incomplete when five different people have reported that it affects
them.


** Attachment added: "Xorg log file"
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1733032/+attachment/5026139/+files/Xorg.0.log

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[Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2017-12-22 Thread Daniel van Vugt
Jonathan,

Can you find the options for configuring your touchpad in:

  Settings > Devices > Mouse & Touchpad?

I am imagining either that's too hard to find (I agree), or the settings
might be missing (which can happen on some laptops where the touchpad is
misdetected as a mouse).

** Changed in: gnome-shell (Ubuntu)
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Re: [Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2017-12-04 Thread Charles Green
I run a logitech wireless mouse, although my receiver comes up as 
"Logitech M315/M235".  I'm not sure why this device would show on your 
system as devices 14 and 18.  I assume device 15 must be a wireless 
keyboard?

Just for kicks, you could try selectively disabling one or the other of 
the devices:

xinput disable 14

check mouse, touchpad actions

xinput enable 14

retry for device 18.

On 12/04/2017 08:52 AM, Jonathan Kamens wrote:
> $ xinput
> ⎡ Virtual core pointerid=2[master pointer  (3)]
> ⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer  id=4[slave  pointer 
>  (2)]
> ⎜   ↳ SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad  id=12   [slave  pointer 
>  (2)]
> ⎜   ↳ Logitech USB Receiver   id=14   [slave  pointer 
>  (2)]
> ⎜   ↳ Logitech USB Receiver   id=18   [slave  pointer 
>  (2)]
> ⎣ Virtual core keyboard   id=3[master keyboard (2)]
>  ↳ Virtual core XTEST keyboardid=5[slave  
> keyboard (3)]
>  ↳ Power Button   id=6[slave  
> keyboard (3)]
>  ↳ Video Bus  id=7[slave  
> keyboard (3)]
>  ↳ Power Button   id=8[slave  
> keyboard (3)]
>  ↳ Sleep Button   id=9[slave  
> keyboard (3)]
>  ↳ BisonCam, NB Pro: BisonCam, NB id=10   [slave  
> keyboard (3)]
>  ↳ AT Translated Set 2 keyboard   id=11   [slave  
> keyboard (3)]
>  ↳ Jabra Link 370 id=13   [slave  
> keyboard (3)]
>  ↳ Logitech USB Receiver  id=15   [slave  
> keyboard (3)]
>  ↳ Keyed Up Labs ES-87id=16   [slave  
> keyboard (3)]
>  ↳ Keyed Up Labs ES-87id=17   [slave  
> keyboard (3)]
>

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[Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2017-12-04 Thread Jonathan Kamens
$ xinput
⎡ Virtual core pointer  id=2[master pointer  (3)]
⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointerid=4[slave  pointer  (2)]
⎜   ↳ SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPadid=12   [slave  pointer  (2)]
⎜   ↳ Logitech USB Receiver id=14   [slave  pointer  (2)]
⎜   ↳ Logitech USB Receiver id=18   [slave  pointer  (2)]
⎣ Virtual core keyboard id=3[master keyboard (2)]
↳ Virtual core XTEST keyboard   id=5[slave  keyboard (3)]
↳ Power Button  id=6[slave  keyboard (3)]
↳ Video Bus id=7[slave  keyboard (3)]
↳ Power Button  id=8[slave  keyboard (3)]
↳ Sleep Button  id=9[slave  keyboard (3)]
↳ BisonCam, NB Pro: BisonCam, NBid=10   [slave  keyboard (3)]
↳ AT Translated Set 2 keyboard  id=11   [slave  keyboard (3)]
↳ Jabra Link 370id=13   [slave  keyboard (3)]
↳ Logitech USB Receiver id=15   [slave  keyboard (3)]
↳ Keyed Up Labs ES-87   id=16   [slave  keyboard (3)]
↳ Keyed Up Labs ES-87   id=17   [slave  keyboard (3)]

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Re: [Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2017-12-04 Thread Charles Green
But hopefully, a piece of the problem so the developers can write a 
solution!

What is the output of "xinput" on your computer?


On 12/04/2017 08:17 AM, Jonathan Kamens wrote:
> Alas, not a solution I can use. :-(
>

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[Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2017-12-04 Thread Jonathan Kamens
Alas, not a solution I can use. :-(

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[Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2017-12-04 Thread Charles Green
Expanding upon comment #3

xinput shows

⎡ Virtual core pointer  id=2[master pointer  (3)]
⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointerid=4[slave  pointer  (2)]
⎜   ↳ SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPadid=14   [slave  pointer  (2)]
⎜   ↳ ELAN Touchscreen  id=9[slave  pointer  (2)]
⎜   ↳ Logitech M315/M235id=10   [slave  pointer  (2)]
⎣ Virtual core keyboard id=3[master keyboard (2)]
↳ Virtual core XTEST keyboard   id=5[slave  keyboard (3)]
↳ Power Button  id=6[slave  keyboard (3)]
↳ Video Bus id=7[slave  keyboard (3)]
↳ Power Button  id=8[slave  keyboard (3)]
↳ Dell WMI hotkeys  id=12   [slave  keyboard (3)]
↳ AT Translated Set 2 keyboard  id=13   [slave  keyboard (3)]


I have issued the command

xinput disable 'ELAN Touchscreen'

this disables my touchscreen, which I don't use anyhow, and the disable-
while-typing works correctly on my touchpad.

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Re: [Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2017-12-04 Thread Charles Green
In my case, xinput shows a device "ELAN Touchscreen"

I have issued the command " xinput disable 'ELAN Touchscreen' ", which 
disables that device entirely, and my touchpad then works correctly.  I 
will update my comment in the bug report.

On 12/04/2017 05:33 AM, Jonathan Kamens wrote:
>> In my case, I have found that disabling a second touch device (a
> touchscreen) fixes the issue.
>
> Could you be more specific about what you did and how you did it? I
> don't quite understand.
>

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[Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2017-12-04 Thread Jonathan Kamens
>In my case, I have found that disabling a second touch device (a
touchscreen) fixes the issue.

Could you be more specific about what you did and how you did it? I
don't quite understand.

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[Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2017-12-02 Thread Charles Green
Im my case, I have found that disabling a second touch device (a
touchscreen) fixes the issue.

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[Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10

2017-11-18 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

** Changed in: gnome-shell (Ubuntu)
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Title:
  touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in
  17.10

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