[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-then-hibernate

[Steve Langasek]

This appears to no longer be a current FFe, so retitling and
unsubscribing ubuntu-release.

** Summary changed:

- FFe: Support suspend-then-hibernate
+ Support suspend-then-hibernate

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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-then-hibernate

[Jeremy Bicha]

Mario, I believe GNOME is planning to do a gnome-settings-daemon
3.30.1.2 release soon disabling the feature by default (at compile
time). See https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-settings-
daemon/issues/78 and its attached merge proposal especially the NEWS
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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-then-hibernate

[Jeremy Bicha]

GNOME is discussing reverting this change for 3.30. Posted moments ago
in #control-center on irc.gnome.org:

benzea > I am getting tempted to consider reverting the change. two of the four 
"common" suspend scenarios are not even covered by g-s-d i.e. if you close the 
lid or use alt+click in the gnome-shell dropdown, you do a suspend.
we only changed the meaning of "suspend" for inactivity and pressing the 
hardware power button
https://p.sipsolutions.net/65caa390fcbd0e00.txt <- for a summary of suspend 
reasons

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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-then-hibernate

[Mario Limonciello]

Try d-feet as root.  I think I recalled seeing this too.

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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-then-hibernate

[Jeremy Bicha]

I used d-feet to Execute org.freedesktop.login1
org.freedesktop.login1.Manager CanSuspendThenHibernate

If my swapfile was too small, I got the response 'na'. When I used a
bigger swapfile, I got the response 'no'.

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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-then-hibernate

[Mario Limonciello]

When I did those PR upstream I did it with a swapfile actually on
Ubuntu.  The key comes down to how initramfs-tools hands off the
offsets.  It's kinda a jumbled mess though.

I started a discussion here 
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=890950
but it got stalled and I got busy with other stuff and didn't resume it.

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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-then-hibernate

[Dimitri John Ledkov]

sufficiently large swapfile should be enough, as systemd has support to 
hibernate to a file offset.
However, none-the-less, I did not manage to resume off that myself yet.

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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-then-hibernate

[Jeremy Bicha]

Ubuntu 18.10 has this feature as part of GNOME 3.30.

There are some complaints though:
https://lwn.net/Articles/764841/
https://bugs.debian.org/908930

On the other hand, Simon's comment on the Debian bug indicates that
feature won't work if the system uses a swap file which Ubuntu 18.04 LTS
and newer does by default.

** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged => Fix Released

** Also affects: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Bionic)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: systemd (Ubuntu Bionic)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Bionic)
   Status: New => Triaged

** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Bionic)
   Importance: Undecided => Low

** No longer affects: systemd (Ubuntu Bionic)

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Re: [Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-then-hibernate

[Mario Limonciello]

Well at least with what's upstream it's not working with what was committed
for me.

The other problem I find is that gnome-power-manager sets some policy
actions and systemd sets others.  For example systemd is controlling the
lid action but gnome power manager is controlling the timeout action.  The
action is hardcoded right now in systemd.
So unless systemd adopts a similar prefer suspend then hibernate over
suspend policy if possible this could cause a confusing experience.

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 10:11 AM Sebastien Bacher 
wrote:

> The changes got commited to upstream master, we might want to
> backport/SRU in bionic?
>
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>Importance: Undecided => Wishlist
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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-then-hibernate

[Sebastien Bacher]

The changes got commited to upstream master, we might want to
backport/SRU in bionic?

** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu)
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Re: [Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-then-hibernate

[Iain Lane]

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:41:30PM -, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> Resetting to New since the g-s-d commits have been accepted upstream.
> They are the first 4 commits for 12 Apr, 2018.
> 
> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-settings-daemon/commits/master

The new version is to automatically select this policy if systemd
supports it, right?

What makes systemd answer yes to that question? Is there a chance that
existing machines could start using this and it could be broken for
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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-then-hibernate

[Jeremy Bicha]

Resetting to New since the g-s-d commits have been accepted upstream.
They are the first 4 commits for 12 Apr, 2018.

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-settings-daemon/commits/master

See also
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-settings-daemon/merge_requests/13
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-settings-daemon/merge_requests/9

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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-then-hibernate

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This bug was fixed in the package systemd - 237-3ubuntu7

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systemd (237-3ubuntu7) bionic; urgency=medium

  * Introduce suspend then hibernate (LP: #1756006)

 -- Mario Limonciello   Mon, 02 Apr 2018
14:25:04 -0500

** Changed in: systemd (Ubuntu)
   Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released

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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-then-hibernate

[Iain Lane]

(cleaning up ~ubuntu-release bugs)

Incomplete for g-s-d - please could you reset once this is accepted
upstream?

** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-then-hibernate

[Dimitri John Ledkov]

@superm1

It would have been nice to coordinate systemd uploads, this is by far,
not the only patch set that needs uploading for systemd.

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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-to-hibernate

[Mario Limonciello]

The rename is done upstream, it's now suspend-then-hibernate.  I'm
uploading systemd with these patches.

As for G-S-D, I've adjusted it for the rename too but it's still waiting
to be merged.

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** Summary changed:

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Re: [Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-to-hibernate

[Mario Limonciello]

Gsd is pushing for the name change in systemd, so I'm going to get that
upstreamed before bringing this into Ubuntu. (Suspend to hibernate to
suspend then hibernate).

In terms of UI where would it Land? I figure it should be a policy setting
on systems that ship with it, but you're probably right that policy should
be viewable and changeable if someone doesn't want this.

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018, 09:21 Iain Lane  wrote:

> The systemd part is OK since it's cherry-picks - +1 for uploading that.
>
> For g-s-d I would prefer to wait for it to be more firm upstream,
> especially with regard to the naming. So I vote for waiting until it's
> committed there. It might be helpful/useful/necessary for that to hang
> out on #control-center on gnome IRC.
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> You don't plan any UI changes for 18.04, right? As an aside, it seems
> like there probably should be some UI for this in the future.
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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-to-hibernate

[Iain Lane]

The systemd part is OK since it's cherry-picks - +1 for uploading that.

For g-s-d I would prefer to wait for it to be more firm upstream,
especially with regard to the naming. So I vote for waiting until it's
committed there. It might be helpful/useful/necessary for that to hang
out on #control-center on gnome IRC.

You don't plan any UI changes for 18.04, right? As an aside, it seems
like there probably should be some UI for this in the future.

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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-to-hibernate

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

This is an important improvement, so I have no objections from a docs
and/or translators POV.

One plea, though: To the extent this introduces new or changed
translatable strings, please notify the translators on the ubuntu-
translators list once those strings have been made available for
translation.

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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-to-hibernate

[Sebastien Bacher]

upstream g-s-d asked for a name change but otherwise it seems fine in
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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-to-hibernate

[Sebastien Bacher]

(rls-bb-notfixing from a desktop perspective, it doesn't need to be
milestoned but we want to review/comment on the change anyway)

** Tags removed: rls-bb-incoming
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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-to-hibernate

[Łukasz Zemczak]

Actually, I guess an UIFe will anyway be required as for the gnome-
settings-manager? I can't reach the Gnome gitlab today so I don't know
for sure. If it does affect some user visible strings, please proceed as
per my earlier comment and if the respective teams go +1 on it, we'll
formally switch this bug to 'Triaged'.

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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-to-hibernate

[Łukasz Zemczak]

I am generally fine with this feature, especially after Dimitri's input.
So formally I approve of this FFe. But since this will also be changing
user-visible strings in systemd, I *think* you will also need to have an
UIFe, e.g. you will have to inform the doc and translation teams [1].
I'm not sure about this as I have no idea how systemd translations are
driven as they do not seem to be handled through launchpad. It might be
that both the documentation and translation teams do not provide any
translation support for these packages per-se and no formal UIFe will be
required.

Anyway, FFe approved but please, just in case, reach out to the required
teams to get a better understanding if any other exceptions need to be
considered.

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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-to-hibernate

[Dimitri John Ledkov]

>From systemd point of view, the patches are relatively straight forward,
and simply add "one more way to sleep/suspend/hybernate/etc" without
affecting any other code paths or any other functionality. Thus i see
little risk for landing the systemd patches.

If this turns out to be bad, only the policy would need to be change to
either not offer it by default, or not use by default. Or some such.

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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-to-hibernate

[Jeremy Bicha]

** Tags added: bionic rls-bb-incoming

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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-to-hibernate

[Mario Limonciello]

No, not on modern system.  We haven't used that technology for a while.

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[Bug 1756006] Re: FFe: Support suspend-to-hibernate

[Kai-Heng Feng]

Out of curiosity - do we have firmware-based hibernate [1] enabled out
of the box?

[1] https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/26022.html

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