[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-10-27 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
In case anyone needs to install the last known binaries that work, I
uploaded a nice overview of the problem and direct links to the Ubuntu
packages here:

https://github.com/alkisg/liveusb/issues/3

** Bug watch added: github.com/alkisg/liveusb/issues #3
   https://github.com/alkisg/liveusb/issues/3

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-09-06 Thread Hamish McIntyre-Bhatty
NB: In Debian testing (11) my Ryzen 3600 system boots and runs a 32-bit
image okay.

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-08-19 Thread Hamish McIntyre-Bhatty
As discussed I suppose you can either use an older version of GRUB-EFI
(which as pointed out may cause unknown problems), or perhaps you can
boot in CSM mode?

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-08-19 Thread pemartins
I really thought, because I've read and heard so many times about it,
that the Linux world was about freedom. Well, can't really say that
someone imposing that other people were from now on prohibited from
running 32 bits operating systems in an updated 64 bits
grub/uefi/whatever suits that...

I've been running on my laptop, for the last many years, 32 bits Android-x86 
based operating systems because the 64 bits ones won't work due to my cpu 
lacking sse 4.1 and 4.2. But thanks to the awesome Linux freedom, I can now 
choose not to do it anymore... you know, because I can't do it anymore.
No worries, at least this is great for having a laugh!

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-08-17 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
Thank for you all the feedback guys,

OK, since upstream already replied "won't fix", of course there's no point to 
report an issue.
As long as i386 installations are still supported, we that need this 
functionality, can keep using the last working grub.

> Why are you not using -amd64.iso?

One use case is to be able to use the same .iso or live USB or netbooted
installation for many client computers. For example, we have a few
hundred schools here that have both 32bit and 64bit clients; they all
netboot from a 32bit installation so that the teacher doesn't have to
maintain many installations. We can keep using the old grub until 18.04
is EOLed in 2023.

Another use case is to be able to troubleshoot 32bit-only bugs in 64bit
hardware (that in some cases only supports UEFI booting); for example,
Ryzen/amdgpu-based computers currently show black screen with 32bit
installations yet they work fine with 64bit.

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-08-17 Thread Hamish McIntyre-Bhatty
Okay then, I guess I won't report. 32-bit x86 is going away for a lot of
distros so I doubt the kernel people will have any interest in doing it
tbh.

Glad I'm moving my Debian live disk away from doing this then if it
breaks lots of stuff :)

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-08-17 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
> Because I'm trying to boot the stock, unmodified
lubuntu-18.04.5-desktop-i386.iso that was released yesterday. It has a
32bit kernel.


Why are you not using -amd64.iso?

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-08-17 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
Given that 64bit UEFI is there, it means that 64bit kernel can run,
despite using 32bit userspace otherwise.

Why are you using inferior 32bit kernel, with otherwise 32bit userspace?

Please install and use 64bit kernel in such cases, i.e.

sudo dpkg --add-architecture amd64
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install linux-generic:amd64

"works fine" is not true at all, lots of low-level things in Userspace
and kernel are broken when one tries to force booting incompatible
kernel due to different memory layout expectations. If you really want
to fix it, it will need to go upstream to linux kernel to implement
64bit UEFI memory layouts in the 32bit kernel flavour.

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-08-17 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
It was never our intention to support 64bit UEFI with 32bit kernel. Just
because it seemed to work, whilst having lots of things broken at
runtime, was never our intention to have supported.

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-08-17 Thread Julian Andres Klode
Please don't. This is spiralling a bit out of control. I talked to the
patch author and he told me what I told you - running 32-bit kernels on
64-bit UEFI does not work corectly. Please run 64-bit OS on 64-bit UEFI
or boot using CSM in BIOS mode.

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-08-17 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
Hello Hamish,

please do; as currently I'm developing a lot of software for schools
that open in September, so for the next few months I won't have time to
file this. Thank you!

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-08-17 Thread Hamish McIntyre-Bhatty
Alkis,

Do you want me to file this for RedHat, or are you/have you already done
so?

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-08-14 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
> Why not use a 64-bit kernel? Should be a much better option.

Because I'm trying to boot the stock, unmodified
lubuntu-18.04.5-desktop-i386.iso that was released yesterday. It has a
32bit kernel.

> If you manually hacked together an i386 install in UEFI mode, it's up
to you to maintain.

It's just a custom grub.cfg. I believe that using the "loopback" command
to boot a vanilla ubuntu .iso should be within the "normal, supported
use of grub". People using grub should be allowed to ask for support
even though the installer uses grub in a different way. Grub doesn't
exist in the archive only to serve ubiquity.

Anyways, since the problem came from redhat, we should move the
discussion there and the fix will eventually reach Ubuntu, thank you
very much for that information!

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-08-13 Thread Julian Andres Klode
Running a 32-bit kernel on 64-bit UEFI is not supported. The kernel
might not be able to interoperate with the UEFI implementation because
some addresses would be outside its address range, and it would hence
react strangely.

** Tags removed: rls-gg-incoming

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-08-13 Thread Julian Andres Klode
My understanding is that our installers do not support installing i386
Ubuntu on UEFI systems. We only support amd64 on UEFI. If you manually
hacked together an i386 install in UEFI mode, it's up to you to
maintain.

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-08-13 Thread Hamish McIntyre-Bhatty
I feel like this is maybe missing the point. These things seem clear to
me:

1. Loading 64-bit kernels on 32-bit UEFIs is a useful feature to have
and I'm glad it was added.

2. AFAICT, the patch was not intended to break loading 32-bit kernels on
64-bit systems (and also what would be the point of such a change?), but
if it was, I don't understand the reasoning behind doing this.

3. Of course booting a 64-bit kernel would work, but why should we be
pushing updates that break existing installations due to what seems to
be either an unintended consequence, or a "computer says no" type error
even though the kernel is perfectly capable of booting. The error is
misleading at best.

As such, I feel like this issue still needs to be fixed.

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-08-13 Thread Julian Andres Klode
** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre (cyphermox) => (unassigned)

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-08-13 Thread Julian Andres Klode
** Tags added: rls-gg-incoming

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-08-13 Thread Julian Andres Klode
FWIW, to address some comments:

> This problem is Ubuntu-specific

It's not. It comes from
https://github.com/rhboot/grub2/commit/1c88c700148acf02863a350055a43eb87e16bbe5
- which adds support for loading 64-bit kernels on 32-bit UEFIs.

> For now, as a workaround, we're using bionic's grub, for example:
https://github.com/alkisg/ltsp5-uefi/blob/master/ltsp5-uefi#L49

Why not use a 64-bit kernel? Should be a much better option.

> This bug stops Android-x86 32 bits systems from booting in 64 bits
machines.

You can't boot them via Ubuntu's grub true, but then they probably have
their own bootloader?

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-08-13 Thread Hamish McIntyre-Bhatty
That might be unrelated, unless they use Ubuntu grub packages/patches?

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-08-11 Thread pemartins
This bug stops Android-x86 32 bits systems from booting in 64 bits machines.
The 32 bits Android-x86 and Android-x86 based OS (like PhoenixOS, RemixOS, 
PrimeOS and others) are needed for 64 bit cpus that do not have SSE4.1 and 
SSE4.2, i.e. dual core cpus.

This is a very serious bug, it literally stops operating systems from
booting. Please fix this asap.

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-07-04 Thread markakis
Hundreds (perhaps many more) computers in school labs in Greece are
affected by this bug.

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-06-30 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
For those looking for the last good binaries, some notes.

Signed (support secure boot), need extraction from the .deb:
Good: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2-signed/1.136/+build/18767810
Bad: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2-signed/1.137/+build/18827799

Unsigned, but directly downloadable with plain wget:
Good: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/eoan/main/uefi/grub2-amd64/current/
Bad: 
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/eoan-updates/main/uefi/grub2-amd64/current/

Grub publishing history:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2-signed/+publishinghistory
Everything later than focal 1.137 and eoan 1.128.2 are broken.

Main grub launchpad page:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2-signed

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-06-27 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
For secure boot to work, the distribution's grub is needed, as it
contains the distribution's signing keys.

For now, as a workaround, we're using bionic's grub, for example:
https://github.com/alkisg/ltsp5-uefi/blob/master/ltsp5-uefi#L49

Let's hope we hear back from the Ubuntu developers...

Would a patch help? It's just about removing this line:
https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/tree/debian/patches/ubuntu-linuxefi.patch#n2105

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-06-27 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
> we're using bionic's grub

I meant the original one from bionic and not from bionic-updates,
because the updated bionic grub is broken.

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-06-25 Thread Hamish McIntyre-Bhatty
Yes, it'd be good to see this fixed, even if it's not an official fix. I
care more if it's affecting schools rather than just me with my weird
setup.

For what it's worth, Debian Buster's packages don't seem to exhibit
these issues - could install those and lock the version perhaps?

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-06-25 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
Around 20 schools so far were affected by this, more will be affected in
September.

This regression breaks existing installations: 32bit Ubuntu 18.04 in
UEFI mode that just run `apt full-upgrade`, and they're no longer able
to boot.

Could we please have some feedback? Even if it is "don't care; won't
fix", we will know that we should solve it locally, e.g. via a PPA.

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-06-04 Thread Hamish McIntyre-Bhatty
Thanks for letting me know.

I'm not sure why that change is there either, but I guess there must be
a reason.

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[Bug 1876737] Re: GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

2020-05-31 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
This problem is Ubuntu-specific, caused by that line:
https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/tree/debian/patches/ubuntu-linuxefi.patch#n2105

That line was added by that commit:
https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/commit/?id=6a814c759e10feafb40c3669be30aa51eb5ce39b

@cyphermox, this prohibits loading 32bit kernels under UEFI, would it be 
possible to revert it?
For example, before this patch, I was able to boot 
lubuntu-18.04-desktop-i386.iso under UEFI using 
https://github.com/alkisg/liveusb; after the patch, I can't.

True, the use cases for booting 32bit kernels under UEFI are limited,
but is there a reason to have an Ubuntu-specific patch to block it when
it works fine?

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   Importance: Undecided => Low

** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Triaged

** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre (cyphermox)

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  GRUB refuses to boot a 32-bit kernel when in EFI mode

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