** Also affects: libreoffice (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
** Tags added: precise regression-release
** Summary changed:
- OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen
+ OOo/LO F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen
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Well, it's just an opinion of course, but one ot the first things I've done
after installing Lucid is restoring the F11 behaviour in OOo (i.e. opening the
style and format window). I work a lot with OOo on different operating systems,
and Ubuntu is the only one interpreting F11 in a more
Maybe I missed it, but I cannot find any alternative key mapped for
'Styles and formatting' The Openoffice manual in Lucid is also still
referring to F11.
Styles and formatting is one of the most useful keyboard short-cuts
Openoffice has. Is just breaking the F11 shortcut in openoffice really
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* Disable check_for_running_ooo as it appears to not be needed anymore and
causes problems with upgrades. Closes LP: #450569
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This is a good change, and I am counting it as a fixed paper cut.
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
Status: Invalid = Fix Released
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I just updated to this version of office and pressing F11 still shows
the styles window . Tested it with OOo Writer.
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got more updates and it works now. looks good.
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For users who have modified their keybindings they might have to reset
the F11 keybinding manually since it appears to copy the settings to
their local user config.
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Apparently changing just the following is not enough to actually make it
do what it says:
accel:item accel:code=KEY_F11 xlink:href=.uno:DesignerDialog/
I am looking into what could possibly control this. I am not sure why
the xml files exist if they aren't what are controlling the settings.
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I found another spot it is set, I imagine this is probably the setting
that is actually being used and all the others are probably just cruft
or something along those lines.
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** Changed in: openoffice.org (Ubuntu)
Milestone: ubuntu-10.04 = ubuntu-10.04-beta-2
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Vish,
Yes I am going to try to implement this change in the next upload
sometime in the next week (not 4ubuntu1).
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** Changed in: openoffice
Status: In Progress = Won't Fix
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** Changed in: openoffice.org (Ubuntu)
Milestone: None = ubuntu-10.04
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Assignee: (unassigned) = Chris Cheney (ccheney)
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@Chris Cheney / Rick Spencer:
Is this being considered for Lucid?
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There is a problem with at least calc:
Calc before:
F3 = [unused]
F11 = Styles and Formatting
F12 = Grouping
Calc after:
F3 = Grouping
F11 = Full screen
F12 = Styles and Formatting
Seems simple right? Except that Shift-F12 is ungroup and shift-F3 is
already used.
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I also see this:
accel:item accel:code=KEY_F12 accel:shift=true accel:mod1=true
xlink:href=.uno:RemoveBullets/
accel:item accel:code=KEY_F12 accel:shift=true
xlink:href=.uno:DefaultBullet/
accel:item accel:code=KEY_F12 xlink:href=.uno:DefaultNumbering/
And just remapping part of the bullet
Oh and to be clear even the F11 keybindings are related before this
change eg:
accel:item accel:code=KEY_F11 xlink:href=.uno:DesignerDialog/
accel:item accel:code=KEY_F11 accel:shift=true
xlink:href=.uno:StyleNewByExample/
accel:item accel:code=KEY_F11 accel:shift=true accel:mod1=true
Chris, you are investigating it well now! If it really looks like
OpenOffice cannot easily support F11 for Fullscreen (if it involves all
of the changes you mention) then this is not a paper cut and upstream
should be involved.
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Ok.
I am not sure upstream will want to do the level of invasive change that
making F11 work would entail... However if Wikipedia is correct in that
Vista/Win7 also uses F11 for Fullscreen we probably could persuade them
to do so. I agree this is not really a papercut with the level of change
This should be addressed, but it cannot be considered a paper cut.
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
Status: Confirmed = Invalid
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
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** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
Assignee: David Siegel (djsiegel) = (unassigned)
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@ccheney, I investigated along with upstream to the level you reached at
#29 and concluded it was not a Ubuntu paper cut as I stated in #12.
Since I do not regard this a Ubuntu paper cut I will follow-up on the
upstream bug. Sorry for the late reply there.
Regarding #31, even if Vista/Win7 uses
It seems Office 2007 doesn't have a way to enter full screen mode from a
keyboard shortcut by default. You have to map it yourself.
http://news.office-watch.com/t/n.aspx?a=777
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You
mac_v / Rick,
OOo aka SO is older than even Gnome 1.x so claiming it was a bad design
decision is unlikely to actually be true.
This is also not as clear cut as some may think due to the fact that OOo
runs on many platforms and has consistent keybindings across them.
Changing it on Ubuntu will
Maybe I'm overcomplicating things, but what if there was an option to
change the keyboard shortcuts? Everything minus Ubuntu could have the
defaults be F11=SF, and Ubuntu could have the default be
F11=Fullscreen. I don't have hard numbers, but I'd be willing to bet
that a lot of Ubuntu-users are
I assume that platform incompatible features are annoying on other
platforms as well.
Please just fix this in Ubuntu for now, and if it turns out to be a bad
choice, we can roll it back during beta.
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OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen
Except it wouldn't really be just 'older OO.o users' it would be any
OO.o user that uses more than just Ubuntu, any other Linux, Windows, or
Mac. Eg the Ubuntu user who uses OOo in the uni Windows lab, etc.
(I am beginning to understand the reasoning for the trademark licensing
rules that
Well, consider the ratio of users who learn F11 is fullscreen to
users who have previously learned that OpenOffice uses F11 for Style
and Formatting. Is it 1:1? 10:1? 1000:1?
If more users expect F11 to invoke fullscreen than expect F11 to open
Style and Formatting, then this change would
My personal opinion, which doesn't really matter, is that OOo should
have keybindings that make sense on a per platform basis, like what is
wanted in this case. There are other issues related to keybindings such
as conflicts with gnome unicode direct input, etc. It seems, thought it
may not be the
Oh, and if someone wants to make this a broader fix of the keybindings
in general to match Gnome better we may be able to get buyin from the
Go-OO ooo-build distributions to switch to the new keybindings. I think
that includes everyone except for RedHat/Fedora.
Chris
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@mac_v, you misrepresent the concern upstream. The concern is not about
the tasks involved. The concern is about breaking existing user
experience for a very seldomly used functionality.
IMO it is not worth it.
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OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen
@thing , I'v read all those comments too.
But those problems have occurred due to a bad design decision early on in the
app's development.
So , the real question now is ,
- Is it alright to leave this mistake as such and make *all* future new users
to suffer, just to not discomfort the
In my mind, this is not complicated. On Ubuntu, F11 is Full Screen. The
fact that Styles and Formatting is bout to this key is annoying to me as
a *heavy* user of OO.
I agree with mac_v, existing users who do not celebrate that change to a
sane and consistent key binding will adjust. If they
Chris, if it's as simple as it seems, could you please patch our
keyboard configuration file? If it's not simple, please advice on how to
fix this. Thanks.
** Changed in: openoffice.org (Ubuntu)
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This is not a paper cut because it is not trivial. It might be trivial
to change F11 to Full Screen, but doing so will break existing user
experience for many users.
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Quoting thing's suggestion upstream:
Complete suggestion for shortcuts changes in Writer, Calc and Impress/Draw are
as follows:
Writer before:
F4 = [unused]
F11 = Styles and Formatting
F12 = Numbering On/Off
Writer after:
F4 = Numbering On/Off
F11 = Full screen
F12 = Styles and Formatting
Calc
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thing, thanks for discussion this upstream. :)
David, this has a milestone assigned to it , what's your opinion ?
Upstream is right to be concerned , this is a huge task for them since
they have to deal will all the different OS and documentations.
But , IMO , we could change this in Ubuntu
Thing, thanks for the upstream bug, I'll link it and add an Ubuntu task
as wel!
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Importance: Undecided = Low
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