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*I understand some people rename files like that, but...*
Apperantly you do not. It is not convenient what you aren't used to,
period. It does not matter at all what reasoning you come up with.
On 8 May 2013 19:47, Alberto Salvia Novella es204904...@gmail.com wrote:
I understand some people
@Lem: No, but I often use only touchpad, where it takes that few
milliseconds more time to move the mouse to the right place instead of
just waiting on the same spot... Anyway, I do use the right-click way
now as there isn't any other mouse-way of dong that, but it feels
uncomfortable - especially
You can wait for that, they don't give a crap about user requests. The
entire Gnome/Unity UI concept is going against most users' needs.
On 7 May 2013 15:47, BS-Harou har...@gmail.com wrote:
@Lem: Most of the time I don't really need to write a new name. Mostly I
just want to copy the name or
Productivity and ease of use in Unity is very high for me compared to
others UIs, and in my opinion a file shouldn't be renamed by clicking on
it. This is the kind of things you have always to take care for not
doing by accident; and by putting the option only into the menu,
specially when doing
I agree that most times GNOME/Unity devs cut too much of the settings
out , but in this case I don't think this is something important enough
that it should go into the settings (it's out of the question for
defaults - despite the fact that most people working with windows have
gotten used to
So roughly 90% of PC users can be ignored. And you wonder why Linux is
unable to gain popularity. And you say it's freedom when you decide how
others should think and act. You try to educate hardware manufacturers the
exact same way, this one of the reasons they don't care about Linux
support. And
@Martin: If you really want to use the mouse, what's wrong with right
click file - rename? The second it takes to activate and navigate a
context menu is the same as waiting for the delay for left-click-rename.
Don't tell me you've got a one button mouse :P
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I could even hit F2. The point is that people socialised on Windows always
try to click twice first. Anything else is inconvenient, any reasoning and
why don't you... is perfectly pointless and ignorant.
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@Martin: If you really want to
I understand some people rename files like that, but in this very
specific case the removed method is considerably worse than the left
one. Perhaps it's more intuitive for some people, but its horrible.
In my long years as Windows user, even before having used any different
operating system
@Lem: Most of the time I don't really need to write a new name. Mostly I
just want to copy the name or remove part of the name. Also I use both
Windows and Ubuntu and I don't want two different behaviors in my head.
I like the Windows way better and I'd like to stick with what I'm use to
- that is
I just want to say I really miss this feature in ubuntu. Every time I
want to rename a file I firstly try this only to realize it is not
possible. I prefer using mouse to keyboard as much as possible and not
having this feature is really sad.
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I just want to say I really miss this feature in ubuntu. Every time I
want to rename a file I firstly try this only to realize it is not
possible. I prefer using mouse to keyboard as much as possible and not
having this feature is really sad.
Just get use
@BS-Harou: So, how do you actually rename a file without using the
keyboard? The point being, pressing F2 to rename is no inconvenience,
because you're going to be using the keyboard anyway.
Plus, to this day, I still accidentally activate rename mode on Windows,
and it's annoying. I hope we
@Dario, I completely agree with you.
This feature should be added to nautilus in the same way OSX implements it, not
the windows way. It would even be touch friendly.
This is one example of the reasons why people critizise gnome devs. This is not
about people asking for features and not
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Since the discussion started again, let us remind ourselves why we
didn't want this feature. There are too many accidental clicks and more
often than not you find yourselves renaming a file that you never wanted
to.
Also happy that this feature does not exist in Linux. To Martian and
David,
No, it doesn't happen often at all that you accidentally click on a file
twice and on the file name the second time (millions of people are used to
it), it's just an excuse to justify your silly decision.
Like I said, implementing it as an option wouldn't hurt anybody, especially
with a default
@Martian: could you please stop those sneaking comments? they are not
welcome here
To maintain a respectful atmosphere, please follow the code of conduct -
http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct . Bug reports are
handled by humans, the majority of whom are volunteers, so please bear
I'm sorry for having an opinion, I didn't know it's prohibited here.
Also, I understand since Linux is a very simple and clear-out design in
general, it would hurt the concept to give users freedom at the expense of
simplicity.
Forgive me for bothering you, won't happen ever again.
On 13
@Seb: I'm sorry, actually it was me that revived this discussion with a
rather flaming diatribe. Thank you for directing me to the original
Nautilus bug - for some reason Google doesn't pick it up, and I really
wanted to know what the process was that led to this decision. I find it
surprising,
Of course, on Mac OS, you can also hit return to rename a file:
http://www.tuaw.com/2007/04/26/mac-101-a-simple-trick-to-rename-files/
In Nautilus and on Windows, this opens the file, which is pretty expensive
and surprising if you do it by mistake...
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 9:53 AM, David
@Martian:
I'm sorry for having an opinion, I didn't know it's prohibited here.
having an opinion is fine...
statements like option for those perverts who want it, just an excuse
to justify your silly decision and This is a perfect example of the
negligance and arrogance of the immature people
@David: the upstream bug is listed in the bug statuses table at the top
of the launchpad page for info ;-)
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I also miss this feature, but I agree that the way Windows does it did not make
sense: the single-click-wait mechanism is inconsistent.
I prefer OSX method of click-and-hold, this also has some analogy with
touch-and-hold, and feels more natural.
The F2 shourtcut works fine (to rename a
This discussion is profoundtly depressing. Who was responsible for this
questionable UI choice in the first place? Was it done to be
gratuitously (or patently) different from Mac OS X, Windows, KDE, and
every other desktop UI on the planet?
Speaking of planets, what planet do you people live on
@David: thanks for your comment, some notes on the topic:
- Who was responsible for this questionable UI choice in the first
place? Was it done to be gratuitously
why do you assume it was done (e.g that work was spent to have it the
current way)? could it be rather than the issue is that
... And to this day, the click-to-rename functionality *still* annoys me
in Windows. I'm very happy that Nautilus doesn't have this feature.
Clearly there are plenty of people who feel the same (or at least don't
care for the click-to-rename feature), since after 10 years or more,
Nautilus still
Sorry to double post.. just thought I'd add that Nautilus in Ubuntu
12.10 has Rename in the right-click menu. The only improvement there
from a UI point of view that I could suggest is having the keyboard
shortcuts listed beside the options, like regular menus have done for
years now. That would
How much effort would it take to implement it as an option for those
perverts who want it? This is a perfect example of the negligance and
arrogance of the immature people in the open-sauce community, don't get
surprised Linux still measures between zero and nothing as a desktop OS.
On 12
I totally agree! I would love to have the single click to rename
option in nautilus. I am on a laptop, and in order to rename using the
F2 key I have to press Fn+F2, which is more finger acrobatic than I want
it to be.
I like it how it is done in Windows: you click a tad longer than simply
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I guess interest on a fix is rather obvious judging by its history.
This is definitively one of most significant annoyances of Nautilus in
my humble opinion. You actually find applications (e.g. Filezilla) that
offer the desired behaviour. It should definitively be provided as an
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exitance says it pretty well.
And I'll add my recent observation that it doesn't make sense that
You're going for the keyboard anyway, hitting F2 isn't interruptive,
because 90% of the time when I'm renaming a file I'm not totally
renaming it. Instead I'm editing it, keeping most of the text.
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i want to add a few points that i think didn't come up here:
1 - linux supposed to be the most customized OS out there, so it seems to me
that the hard approach of there can be only one
way contradict with the linux way.
there's never harm in adding options.
2 - there's
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I'd like to see this bug fixed; it's annoying not having this easy
rename feature. I rarely activate this feature unintentionally on
Windows XP and when I do make a mistake, all I have to do is click
elsewhere on the desktop and double click the icon again. It takes less
than a second to correct.
Just add an option to enable this feature please
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Cody, you are right that it's more/new information, but you're wrong
that it's potentially a lot -- users would only need to learn once
that they must click first on the icon, then on the label to activate
rename. It's a very small new piece of information that may or may not
be easy to learn, but
The proposal was to allow renaming by clicking on a file, not to copy
Windows's implementation exactly -- if the implementation is poor in
Windows, that doesn't mean it would be in Nautilus. For example, Mac OS
X allows click to rename, and I've never heard a Mac user complain that
this feature
Some say, if we implement this as it is in Windows it will not work
well; others say, if we implement it a different way, new users will
have trouble with the difference. This is missing the point -- users
want click-to-rename because they find it more convenient and usable
than the dialog-driven
But this would be beyond the scope of papercuts, such a feature or any
other mentioned here need to be requested upstream.
*Any discussions here is not going to fix or solve this problem* , it
needs to be done upstream.
Upstream has already made it pretty clear that they're not interested in
Cody Russel wrote:
It seems like there's a lot of talk about what users want, but I hadn't
heard that we have yet done any thorough user testing on this yet. It
feels to me like we're proposing a solution to something that may not be
a problem.
Yes it would be great to see the numbers. I predict
@David
In principle, you're proposal may makes sense, -first click on the icon,
second on the label- but I think in practice this is what is going to
happen:
When I click on a file in Windows to rename I just click 'frantically'
on the label until I can it.
Why do I think so? Well, because in
That would really be no gain usability-wise because left-click on icon
and left-click on label is not shorter than right-click on icon and
left-click on Properties. It's just a matter of people who got used to
this on other OS's.
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@Bernhard: left-click on Properties or did you mean Rename ? users
would rather use an option Rename to rename rather than using
properties...
Just to throw in an idea[maybe it has already been mentioned but this is a huge
bug and i may have missed it]
-When user clicks on the file label , a
Ham, one way to mitigate accidental activation of click-to-rename is to
require two consecutive clicks on the label, or if that is still
problematic, require the first click to be made on the icon and the
second click to be made on the label. The latter would avoid double-
clicks activating
Ok. One do tend to miss the point among the noise. It's a numbers game
then.
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Controversial and non-trivial; not a paper cut.
The proposal was to allow renaming by clicking on a file, not to copy
Windows's implementation exactly -- if the implementation is poor in
Windows, that doesn't mean it would be in Nautilus. For example, Mac OS
X allows click to rename, and I've
David, Mac OSX? Can you say how it's supposed to work? I click once and
I get a renaming dialog; then I click again and get what? How does that
rule out misunderstandings when, say, I'm a slow double-clicker?
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@David: It's not a case of them against us. It is 2 clicks against a
double click. If this can be implemented in such a way that mistakes are
brought to a minimum and is not cumbersome for the majority then fine. I
can see that the title is cannot rename by clicking on file but mostly
the
Wouldn't it make sense to use a triple click for it? A single click to
select the file, a double click to open it (or nothing when clicking on
the name label), and a triple click to rename it. Triple clicks is a lot
of clicks, and nobody does it without intending to edit it.
When I click on a
This feature would be pretty annoying imho because you will often mix up
double-click (to open file) and click file (highlight) + click
file (rename). Too many problems.
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I was mostly a Windows user before and I find this behavior annoying. So
much so that I right click when renaming. To those who propose that we
cater to the Windows crowd well I'm part of that crowd (but mainly for
games now) and you don't know for sure if there are more users who like
this
I haven't used Windows since '98, but I do remember it being really
annoying back in the day - especially on laptops. Using a touchpad is
difficult enough without the UI fighting against allowing you to open a
file.
Personally, my vote would be not to fix this bug.
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Agreed. It's a usability modernization that never found its way into
Gnome--and it's the expectation of users coming from Win/Mac. This
should eclipse the personal preferences of people who already use
Unbuntu and ojbect. A concession could be made by adding a disable
switch in
@raronson
Your argument seems to be that if all the other file browsers jump off
of a cliff, we should, too? Why do the opinions of people who actually
use Nautilus matter less than those of Windows or Mac users? The focus
should be more on making Nautilus easy to use, and less on making it
Just
@raronson
The way it is implemented in windows is a usability regression and
should not be implemented in gnome. #63 user j made a great proposal,
which would cater to the wishes of two-slow-click-proponents (it's not
single click!, not a double-click!) without the inherent drawbacks
complained
Wait, wait. I've used Gnome for about 10 years. The inclusion of a
singular feature hardly makes it Windows. Referencing the hide-trash-
icon served as an example of where to put the switch. You're assuming
that I meant more than what I actually said.
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I find it quite easy to trip over...I often find myself clicking the
mouse for no specific purpose
That's a joke, right? You're not seriously saying that a feature
shouldn't be implemented because you happen to click your mouse randomly
all the time, are you? Because that's sad
To Jim:
I should stop providing non-exhaustive lists of examples, it never goes
well. My point was that some people might not trigger this option
accidentally as often, and so might not understand why this is so
annoying to others. To provide a more concrete example, Java's Swing UI
implements
@Jim: This is actually quite easy to trigger, if you use a laptop with a
sensitive touchpad then you would find yourself accidentally tripping this bug!
In touchpads, *a touch [for movement] could sometimes trigger a single tap ,and
activates rename* .
Features should not be based on:
I like the feature to rename file with single click like Konqueror
(option to rename files inline must be checked to be activated). I think
this option should be available in Nautilus too.
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So I'm sitting in the hackfest room downstairs at the desktop summit in
Gran Canaria now and talked to Alex Larsson, one of the Nautilus
maintainers, about this and he said this has been proposed many times in
the past and has been rejected. I don't think Ubuntu wants to be
carrying patches
That's pretty much exactly what I said upstream a couple of weeks ago...
But I'm glad Alex has verbalized it too now.
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There are numerous ways to make it easier to edit the file name, which are less
intrusive than the slow-double-click way. The most straight forward would be:
- add a Button to open the file preferences dialog in the icon bar below the
menu. The file name is selected by default already. Since
@J Nice idea.
It would only really work if the panel is available. Without the panel, would
we just go back to the way its been done previously? I like the idea of
displaying the information in the left panel, it would make make the panel much
more useful.
@Cheiron Again a good idea.
But a
This rename by click feature is just in the way of modern web 2.0 apps
(inline editing) and is present in all other OS I know (standard)
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Reading some of the latest post I got a brilliant idea how to solve this
problem.
How about introducing a new panel to nautilus which shows some
information about the selected file allows for editing the file name.
It could be a small panel under the left column or below the main view.
A new
What about doing something sort of similar to what Dolphin does for
selecting items. When you hover the mouse over an item in dolphin, it
shows a (+) sign you can click to select it. What could be done in this
case is to show a rename icon/button near the selected -- and only the
selected -- files
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Oh, by the way, you can use the arrows for navigating the cursor and
that actually makes more sense than using the mouse [...]
UI design is not about what is the philosophically right thing to do in
a perfect world but what gets the job done with the least resistance.
And apparently many
@J That's a great idea.
The side panel can actually be changed into an information side panel.
If you click on places, the second option is information. The dedicated
information field could also be combined with the preview area I talked
about earlier. So editing the file name may be done by
I thought about how this feature could be implemented without annoying
users. There is no apparent logic behind the second click for changing
the file name. Therefore, this doesn't make any sense and it's difficult
to learn and get used to, IMHO. I never got used to it after years of
working with
@kikl:
One more suggestion: If you mistakenly click the file name, it's difficult to
get out of this mode, as far as I remember. You have to turn to the keyboard
and press escape or enter or click on some other arbitrary item. That's just
something you are not prepared to do, while your
@flo
What makes sense in UI? For example, a trashbin for deleted files. An
envelope for an e-mail program. A places folder for the file browser,...
Oh, by the way, you can use the arrows for navigating the cursor and
that actually makes more sense than using the mouse, since you've got
your
I think it's a very bad idea.
In Windows this feature is horrible. You can rename very fast with F2.
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In Nautilus I would like to see an option under Edit - Preferences -
Behaviour which would allow us to either turn off the '2nd click rename'
or turn it on. There is room for adding this option and if,
implimented, this drastic change of behavior does warrant a preferences
menu entry, in my
Most Windows users expect to be able to rename by clicking the file
name. And since most computer users right now are Windows users, it
would wise to cater to some of the things they are used to. Unless, of
course, you have somewhere else to get users from...
Also, this features is NOT
I agree with nitindb. I never liked this behaviour in windows, because I
quite often mistakenly started editing the file name. Therefore, I would
like to be able to turn the feature off if it is implemented. It's only
a usability issue because many windows users have gotten used to it. I
don't
In response to Jim:
This feature is not annoying TO YOU. I'll thank you not to speak on
behalf of myself or others. While you may find this difficult to do
accidentally, I find it quite easy to trip over. Maybe different people
have different mouse-clicking patterns, such that some people trigger
I think the unique reason of the rename on click feature is because
some users are accustomed to that on windows.
If you have never used windows: Do you think when you click a file, wait
a bit and click again will rename a file? I think not, it is illogical.
You can think it shows a preview of a
I just registered to discuss on this problem as well...
...because I see some neutral perspective missing. In this issue there is a lot
to consider:
1st) is this feature disturbing to anyone?
answer: to some people it is
2nd) is this feature a useful one?
answer: arguable. on windows there are
I agree with roffik. I find this behaviour very irritating when on windows,
and unnecessary in gnome for two reasons:
1. This behaviour is triggered accidentally far more often than I actually want
to rename files
2. Pop up menus are much quicker in gnome than on windows as the menus pop up
I agree that his proposed behavior would be very irritating...
Also , *one needs to remember that if other OS do it* ,
*it just doesnt become the right method and Ubuntu is not Windows /Apple* .
Papercuts is not about duplicating other OS , but for better usability
There are more chances for
2. Pop up menus are much quicker in gnome than on windows
There's this mental task of locating the correct entry for rename on
the long list. When finding F2 on keyboard, we also have to find and aim
the correct key. For me, the method of click, wait a while, and then
click again is the fastest
@agro1986: Just don't click the file for the second time for no reason
Believe me, I HAVE such a reason. Imagine a situation when you have several
Nautilus opened (at least one, not maximized). You have selected some files in
two or more windows or on the desktop and want to delete selected
I would love to see this added to Ubuntu. In my opinion, it IS very
intuitive to click on some selected text to rename that text. We do
that all the time, in documents, programs and on websites. Why should
it be any different to click on the text of an icon, after it is already
selected, to
I vote for turned OFF by default.
I always use F2, even when I used windows. The double-click thing is
extremely buggy in windows.
When you want to open a file you get stuck in rename mode and have to press esc
or somewhere else to disable it.
When you want to rename it, it opens up.
When you
Another vote for easily-configurable (and preferably off by default, but
at least configurable).
I have to use Windows sometimes at work and I can't stand this
behaviour.
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I find the window's rename mode to be more of an issue when using a
laptop with touchpad rather than a mouse On a small netbook or a
smaller laptop, it would be even more irritating. Not everyone sits on
a desk using a mouse.
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As nitindb says, i realize that *MAYBE* its the desktop users who report
as NOT having this problem, I find the behavior very irritating in my
laptop while using Windows , when rename is triggered by accidental
taps.
But if a very Intuitive method as Cody has described can be implemented
, it
Thats the most annoying feature of the windows explorer and I will hate to see
this enabled in nautilus. However if this must be added because windows
explorer likes it this way, do it. Just give me a gconf option to disable this
feature an i will be happy.
So any windows switcher will have
Most rookie users I know, rename files by right clicking and selecting
'rename' (both on WIndows and on Ubuntu). More savvy ones press F2. The
click, wait, then click again pattern falls somewhere in between - I
personally find it annoying and avoid it (hence like Gnome), but others
swear by it.
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