[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2012-03-15 Thread Yann Dìnendal
No, that's not a forum, this is a bug report. Discussions and ideas
should go to the mailing list.

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2012-03-15 Thread Petko Ditchev
Discussions and ideas have been in the mailing list and nothing has
happened . The fact is there is no centric development forum where good
ideas will stick until someone implements them or disproves them good .
At least in this or similar cases I think it's good to have the design
ideas here , so they are closely related to the bug itself , and it's
easier to make the connection . More so this is a usability bug , so
discussions on usability , IMO , are appropriate .

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2012-03-14 Thread mattubu
(Sorry if a double post happens but it looks like replying to the email
doesn't post automatically...)

Hi Petko,
No problem! That's why we have public forums. I like the idea of putting the 
more files on the bottom - it's logical that you would
keep getting there with downstrokes. And I don't think the number of keystrokes 
to get to the file list is as critical as the number to get to the application 
list (you might still end up with needing two strokes or one stroke depending 
on whether there are more apps). Either way I don't think that the titles 
should be selectable. Also yes, if the more files is on the side I agree it 
needs to be an icon (maybe a plus with the text x more… or something like 
that).

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2012-03-11 Thread Petko Ditchev
mattubu , thanks for pointing out the flaws in my idea , I really hadn't
taken into account the fact that arrow keys are used in the input form ,
amongst other things .

So I'm back to my initial idea ( from the mailing list discussion) - one
similar to yours . Move the See more results button below the results
(I'm pretty sure there will be a design solution for that ) , and make
the titles unselectable . That way we have first arrow down - select
first result , second arrow down , select see more results . I really
don't know whos idea is better , the design team must say . Because if
the see more.. is on the left - it should be an icon , because you
can't fit the text there without rearranging too much . I was going to
say that if its under the icons it would take up space , but now there's
a lot of blank space anyways soI think that's not a problem .

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2012-03-10 Thread psypher
I agree, there was a point when it was a bug and pressing down once did
not indicate where the cursor is, but for a while now it has highlighted
the Applications bar.

The problem with your mockup comes in when you have multiple programs
found that require to be expanded. You can't have the applications
expand where files are, it must be kept separate.

I have a very simple solution to this problem.

Navigate application and file icons with the arrow keys and navigate to
the title bars with TAB. It's already cycling through them when you hit
tab, so why not just disable arrow keys from navigating to the title
bars?

So type f in the dash, whole bunch of apps, files and music comes up.
one arrow key down takes you to the first found application, another
down arrow takes you to the first found file, next down arrow takes you
to the first found song.

Similarly, typing f in the dash and then hitting TAB takes you to the
applications title bar, pressing enter reveals more options, hitting
arrow down takes you to the expanded list of found apps.

Hitting tab again takes you to Files and again takes you to Music

So NEVER navigate title bars with arrows and only navigate them with
tab.

Solves all issues as far as I can see and reduces tapping of keys.

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2012-03-10 Thread Petko Ditchev
I gave this suggestion on the mailing list when the topic was discussed
, I'll give it here also , and I hope it gets spotted by developers :

Highlight the first item from the search by default . That's it .. one
arrow up to see more results , enter to open (that works now but it
seems like a hack) , arrow right/down to browze other results . It
doesn't change arrangement , it doesn't change anything but the initial
highlight position ,and I think that solves the problems (and I think
titles shouldn't be selectable even in that scenario).

Anyone with me ?

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2012-03-10 Thread mattubu
Petko - I like your idea a lot (saves a keystroke) but I still see several 
problems:
- you still have a consistency problem when trying to go back up to the search 
bar (sometimes two sometimes one upstroke)
- you also have a consistency problem going down to files - it's two strokes if 
there are files to expand, and only one if there aren't
- you can't use the arrow keys to move your cursor
- (this is really nitpicky and likely isn't consistent across apps and of 
course subject to change) in firefox you need to downpress once to get to the 
first hit from the awesome bar. 

pshyper - I like your solution too but I don't know how intuitive it
would be. I have a hard time imagining a first-time user thinking oh I
can select more files by pressing tab and instead see him/her
frustrated that he/she has to click to expand. I think it would be
easier in this case to just list all the apps, and then have a message
that says press tab for files and music or something like that.

Regarding my mockup - That was a bad example. I should have just typed
in f and put the x more apps in the applications line. In my mockup
this would be where the x more files  would be for the files section.

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2012-03-09 Thread mattubu
(Please not that I have not used the precise beta yet.)

While I can understand that the problem of the down-arrow is an opinion,
I believe it's still a bug because the behavior is inconsistent.
Sometimes the imaginary titles aren't focused and sometimes they are
(sometimes I need only one down stroke and sometimes I need two).

Since there is also a question of opinion, here is my proposed argument
and solution:

Argument:
Let's say I'm looking for an app that has an 'f.' I will open the dash, and 
type 'f.' Then I will hit ONE down stroke, which will select the Application 
sections. Then I need to hit a right stroke to select Show x more, and my 
apps will be displayed.

Let's say I'm looking to start Firefox. I will open the dash, and type
'firefox.' Then I will hit one down stroke to select the Applications
section, and a second one to get to Firefox.

The main problem is the imaginary selection. If this is left in, then
there needs to be an obvious indicator that the first stroke was
registered and that it is intentional that the title is selected (I
imagine someone can come up with a good indicator). The other thing is
that something needs to be able to happen when this indicator is
selected - otherwise what's the point? A casual user wouldn't
immediately realize it's for muscle memory.

Proposed solution:
Remove the show x more option from the title bar level, and add place it on 
the level of the application/file icons, right before the first hit. That way, 
when the user types something, the first downstroke brings him/her directly to 
the first hit. If the user wanted to show more files, a simple left stroke will 
bring him/her there. This will leave the number of strokes for more files 
unchanged, and make the first application selection one stroke, and always one 
stroke.

I attached a very crude mockup.


** Attachment added: Crude mockup of proposed solution
   
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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2012-03-07 Thread John Lea
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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2012-02-13 Thread psypher
OK I get the feature now. If there are more results than displayed then
the heading is active and can be clicked on or press enter to display
more results. This feature just was broken and not working consistently.
The highlight and selection bug is fixed in my opinion which makes this
work in a predictable way. If I know I must press down twice to select
my first choice then thats fine as long as it's the same thing each time
and the same in unity 2d.

Thanks

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2012-02-13 Thread TomasHnyk
Hm, focusing something that has no function seems still confuses me
(however consistent it is), but whatever, I can live with that.

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2012-02-13 Thread psypher
I agree with you, yet what happens when you search and there is only one
or 2 results. When you press down to select, do you want it to go
directly to the first result? That means that you have to always
remember that it's just one down press and not 2 when there are multiple
results. For me having a consistent procedure to reproduce is more
usefull as muscle memory takes over.

I'm still on the fence about this one...

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2012-02-12 Thread Omer Akram
Now, it has not. I am using trunk right now.. try this:

1. open dash
2. type firefox
3. press down arrow

what happens 'applications' header takes focus first I guess it should
not since there are no more applications to show.

** Changed in: unity
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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2012-02-12 Thread Omer Akram
It turns out it is by design, andy gave me the bug number
https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/893966 so I am going to mark this
bug as opinion

** Changed in: unity
 Assignee: Andrea Azzarone (andyrock) = (unassigned)

** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu Precise)
 Assignee: Andrea Azzarone (andyrock) = (unassigned)

** Changed in: unity
Milestone: 5.4.0 = None

** Changed in: unity
   Status: Confirmed = Opinion

** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu Precise)
   Status: Confirmed = Opinion

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2012-02-09 Thread psypher
Hello all, is there any progress on this issue?

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2012-02-09 Thread Omer Akram
** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = Triaged

** Changed in: unity
   Status: Confirmed = Triaged

** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Andrea Azzarone (andyrock)

** Changed in: unity
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Andrea Azzarone (andyrock)

** Changed in: unity
Milestone: None = backlog

** Also affects: ayatana-design
   Importance: Undecided
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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2012-02-09 Thread Omer Akram
** Also affects: unity (Ubuntu Precise)
   Importance: Medium
 Assignee: Andrea Azzarone (andyrock)
   Status: Triaged

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2012-02-09 Thread Andrea Azzarone
It has already be solved in this branch
https://code.launchpad.net/~andyrock/unity/focus-highlight-category-
headers

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2012-02-01 Thread psypher
HI all,

I am running Precise with unity 5 and this issue is still present. And
now with the big home buttons removed you don't have to search for
anything to have something in the dash home. It already displays, recent
apps, recent files and downloads. To get to the first recent app you
have to press down arrow twice. This does not happen in Unity 2d where
it act as expected.

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2011-10-27 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Are you sure you've got the latest updates (sudo apt-get update  sudo
apt-get upgrade)?

As I mentioned before there does seem to be some inconsistency, but
however on my machine it does still appear to be behaving as I
described.

Except Apps Available for Download no longer focuses it's title (at
least today anyway :-\ )

I don't get how this issue can be so inconsistent across computers and
sessions..

Also sometimes the cursor continues flashing in the searchbox even if I
focus another element

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2011-10-27 Thread mattubu
Yup my system is totally upgraded. I updated yesterday before posting,
and again today. I even got a unity update (4.0.4), but the issue isn't
fixed after a reboot. I'm fetching from oneiric-backports though, if
that is of any help.

I wonder if some third-party app is causing the inconsistency? Or
something from the upgrade from Natty? (I know those aren't very helpful
suggestions at all but I have no better ideas...).

I have another problem with bad focusing as well though I'm not sure if
I should file a separate bug report for it. After rebooting, the dash
search cursor blinks, but I am unable to type anything or even press
escape to close the dash. It can only be closed from the keyboard by
pressing the super key (as far as I can tell). I'll reboot again and
check if mouse input works...

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2011-10-27 Thread mattubu
Follow-up to previous comment: 
- Mouse input works as expected.
- The searchbox cursor disappears after I start typing
- The problem doesn't show up after logout - only reboot it seems.

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2011-10-26 Thread mattubu
I think I disagree on one point, Matt. You say If I go into Dash and
type enough letters so that all available apps are shown (no drop-down
/view-more toggle), it works as expected: not focusing the lens titles
without view-more toggles.

As I wrote above, if I type 'firefox' there are no more results, just
firefox. Selecting the down arrow once highlights nothing, but a second
time highlights firefox. Only one up arrow is required to return to the
search box.

First a correction: I do need two up-arrow keystrokes to return to the
search bar. I'm not sure if this is the same behavior as before or if I
was mistaken the first time.

Second, some additional information: I also have a few Files and
Folders showing up (with no view-more toggle). If I press the down-
arrow key twice to get to firefox, I also need to press it twice to
select the first file. I wonder therefore if the first down-arrow press
selects the Applications header, then the second selects Firefox, then
the thirds selects the Files and Folders header, and finally the
fourth selects my first file. This looks like the same behavior as
selection of the Shortcuts header.

Thanks for taking a look at this!

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2011-10-25 Thread Omer Akram
** Changed in: unity
   Status: New = Confirmed

** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Confirmed

** Tags added: a11y

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[Bug 870404] Re: When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are incorrectly focused

2011-10-24 Thread Matt Sturgeon
** Summary changed:

- In 11.10 to navigate search results in the dash, you must press the down 
arrow twice, not once.
+ When navigating Dash by keyboard, sometimes titles with no function are 
incorrectly focused

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