Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-20 Thread Vadim Peretokin
I gave this a try, and I love it. The normal functionality of clicking on the scrolling thing and moving it is preserved, along with using the scrollwheel in the scrollbar, so no usability is lost. I see this as a really big hit with touchscreen devices also. Being able to place the finger anywher

Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-18 Thread Celeste Lyn Paul
On Monday 18 August 2008 10:14:37 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Celeste Lyn Paul wrote on 18/08/08 14:01: > > On Monday 18 August 2008 08:31:03 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > >... > > > >> KDE does a similar (but somewhat more confusing) thing by having two > >> up/left buttons in a scrollbar, one at

Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-18 Thread Odysseus Flappington
Has anyone got a link to a discussion on this issue with GTK? It's really time we started trying out and pushing NEW ideas, rather than sticking with the same old. Alex On 14/08/2008, Alexander Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think there's little chance we'll be diverging from upstream GT

Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-18 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Celeste Lyn Paul wrote on 18/08/08 14:01: > > On Monday 18 August 2008 08:31:03 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: >... >> KDE does a similar (but somewhat more confusing) thing by having two >> up/left buttons in a scrollbar, one at the the top/left and the

Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-18 Thread Celeste Lyn Paul
On Monday 18 August 2008 08:31:03 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Mackenzie Morgan wrote on 15/08/08 21:53: > >... > > I must admit, on a large screen moving all the way from top to bottom > > of the scrollbar is a royal pain. I wouldn't mind having easier > > targets. > > Mac OS 8 and later fixes th

Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-18 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mackenzie Morgan wrote on 15/08/08 21:53: >... > I must admit, on a large screen moving all the way from top to bottom > of the scrollbar is a royal pain. I wouldn't mind having easier > targets. Mac OS 8 and later fixes this with a much smaller chan

Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-17 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Odysseus Flappington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, if it is actually even the tiniest bit more user-friendly that what we > currently have, which I have to admit I've been frustrated with before, > everyone will scream Ubuntu's innovation.. I must admit, on a l

Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-17 Thread Alexander Jones
I think there's little chance we'll be diverging from upstream GTK on a component as important as this. I suggest you take this concept straight to GTK. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop

Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-17 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Danny Piccirillo wrote on 14/08/08 00:18: >> >> "http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/popup-scrollbar-concept-demo/ >> >> This would just give Ubuntu more edge an

Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-17 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 09:50 -0700, Dylan McCall wrote: > You've probably noticed this already, but I find it hard to grab the > 'bar' if my mouse is already in the trough. I have to move the mouse off > of the trough and then back on where the bar is. I know it's not > necessary to grab the bar, a

Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-16 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
2008/8/16 Thorsten Wilms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 16:07 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote > > > And I really do like it. I think a lot of people, including myself, > > like the page > > up/down function of the traditional scrollbar though.Perhaps that > > could be done > > using

Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-16 Thread Dylan McCall
Hi Thorsten! You've probably noticed this already, but I find it hard to grab the 'bar' if my mouse is already in the trough. I have to move the mouse off of the trough and then back on where the bar is. I know it's not necessary to grab the bar, and also that one can drag after clicking an arrow

Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-16 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 16:07 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote > And I really do like it. I think a lot of people, including myself, > like the page > up/down function of the traditional scrollbar though.Perhaps that > could be done > using a right-click on the arrows, for up or down for instance?

Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-16 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
2008/8/16 Thorsten Wilms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 21:46 +0100, Odysseus Flappington wrote: > > > I couldn't actually figure out how to install it though.. if you put > > it in the next alpha I'll test it to get a feel and tell you what I > > think :P > > Get the script from > ht

Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-16 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 21:46 +0100, Odysseus Flappington wrote: > I couldn't actually figure out how to install it though.. if you put > it in the next alpha I'll test it to get a feel and tell you what I > think :P Get the script from http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=110648 Then you

Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-15 Thread Brett Alton
I'm simply frustrated with Ubuntu's lack of contrast on the side bar. It's hard to see where the actual scrollbar is compared to the background when its held against a black monitor. On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Odysseus Flappington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like it. If I understand it co

Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-15 Thread Odysseus Flappington
I like it. If I understand it correctly, instead of having to find the actual bar, you can left-click anywhere on the scrollbar area, and move the scrollbar up and down as if you actually clicking on the scrollbar. I couldn't actually figure out how to install it though.. if you put it in the next

Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-15 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 15:01 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > It would be an interesting thing to test. I wonder how difficult it > would be to modify a few apps to use that method, so that we can try > it out and get our friends/family to try it out as well. I as the author would love to see tha

Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-15 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Danny Piccirillo wrote on 14/08/08 00:18: > > "http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/popup-scrollbar-concept-demo/ > > This would just give Ubuntu more edge and make it even more > intuitive. Although for people used to the old style > scrollbar it

Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars

2008-08-13 Thread Danny Piccirillo
"http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/popup-scrollbar-concept-demo/ This would just give Ubuntu more edge and make it even more intuitive. Although for people used to the old style scrollbar it may be confusing at first glance, it would quickly become another reason to get hooked on Ubuntu :)"