Re: Restricted extra/addons
Bryan, You read my mind. I was in the process of finding out how to add to the list :) Although gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad does have important uses such as providing audio codecs and the GL plugin, totem will install it on demand, anyway. So yes you should be able to drop it. I would like to add a couple to that list though: - va-driver-all (should include i965-va-driver) - gstreamer1.0-vaapi Those together with some fixes I am working on for them will give Totem hardware accelerated video decoding out-of-the box. For more information about my intention see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntelQuickSyncVideo P.S. gstreamer1.0-libav is a misnomer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-libav1.0/+bug/1694409 - Daniel On 02/08/17 00:18, Bryan Quigley wrote: Hi all, Been looking at what's brought in by default by the restricted checkbox in the installer and I think we can have better defaults. Here is a brief summary of what we have today: ubuntu-restricted-addons (what the installer checkbox does) - Flash - gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3 - chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra - gstreamer1.0-libav (and dependencies are 114 MB) - gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly (just 5 MB) - gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad (314 MB) ubuntu-restricted-extras (what we recommend if on installed system) - the above ubuntu-restricted-addons - libavcodec-extra - ttf-mscorefonts-installer - unrar Proposals (all just affect being in the metapackages, not in archives). I'm envisioning ending the -extras package. Flash - remove Adobe is officially killing it entirely at end of 2020 - https://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2017/07/adobe-flash-update.html Apparently Mac OS may have stopped including it by default in *2010*. Mozilla (and all browser vendors) will make Flash more inconvenient to use in the 2nd half of 2018. Requiring people to specifically install it will make it easier to determine how many Ubuntu users actually really want Flash. gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3 - hoping we can provide MP3 support by default soon like Fedora just did (right?). Still on track for 18.04 or can that be pushed up? gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad - remove This is by far the heaviest item we bring in and from what I can tell libav and ugly really cover the majority of codecs most people will run into. Bad plugins also likely provide an easy security target as they say they have code quality issues. unrar - remove One of the biggest uses is with comic books, but apparently that can be done for free these days - http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/07/evince-3-26-will-let-view-adobe-illustrator-cbr-files I also don't expect the use of unrar to be anywhere near the tasks the other packages enables. libavcodec-extra - remove or move to -addons no preference, doesn't seem like size is the issue ttf-mscorefonts-installer - promote to -addons Fonts missing is one of the biggest reasons documents in LibreOffice don't like they do in MS Office. Thanks! Bryan -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Restricted extra/addons
Hi all, Been looking at what's brought in by default by the restricted checkbox in the installer and I think we can have better defaults. Here is a brief summary of what we have today: ubuntu-restricted-addons (what the installer checkbox does) - Flash - gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3 - chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra - gstreamer1.0-libav (and dependencies are 114 MB) - gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly (just 5 MB) - gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad (314 MB) ubuntu-restricted-extras (what we recommend if on installed system) - the above ubuntu-restricted-addons - libavcodec-extra - ttf-mscorefonts-installer - unrar Proposals (all just affect being in the metapackages, not in archives). I'm envisioning ending the -extras package. Flash - remove Adobe is officially killing it entirely at end of 2020 - https://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2017/07/adobe-flash-update.html Apparently Mac OS may have stopped including it by default in *2010*. Mozilla (and all browser vendors) will make Flash more inconvenient to use in the 2nd half of 2018. Requiring people to specifically install it will make it easier to determine how many Ubuntu users actually really want Flash. gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3 - hoping we can provide MP3 support by default soon like Fedora just did (right?). Still on track for 18.04 or can that be pushed up? gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad - remove This is by far the heaviest item we bring in and from what I can tell libav and ugly really cover the majority of codecs most people will run into. Bad plugins also likely provide an easy security target as they say they have code quality issues. unrar - remove One of the biggest uses is with comic books, but apparently that can be done for free these days - http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/07/evince-3-26-will-let-view-adobe-illustrator-cbr-files I also don't expect the use of unrar to be anywhere near the tasks the other packages enables. libavcodec-extra - remove or move to -addons no preference, doesn't seem like size is the issue ttf-mscorefonts-installer - promote to -addons Fonts missing is one of the biggest reasons documents in LibreOffice don't like they do in MS Office. Thanks! Bryan -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Old Desktop MIRs
Happy August! Since artful Feature Freeze is just over three weeks away, I wanted to poke at some MIRs that have seen very little activity since filing weeks ago (or longer) https://launchpad.net/bugs/1695565 chrome-gnome-shell https://launchpad.net/bugs/1200296 spice-vdagent https://launchpad.net/bugs/1691585 switcheroo-control https://launchpad.net/bugs/1649537 exfat-utils & fuse-exfat I've made sure we have Trello cards to track these now. Thanks, Jeremy Bicha -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Default App: GNOME Logs
gnome-logs is a simple frontend to the systemd journal. For years, we have shipped gnome-system-log. The MIR for gnome-logs is actually already approved [1]. We just need to decide if we want it. I propose we drop gnome-system-log and ship gnome-logs instead in the default Ubuntu desktop. gnome-system-log --- - Last release was 4 years ago: 3.9.90 + Default logs shown are auth.log, dpkg.log, mail.log, syslog, and Xorg.0.log - Shows a warning on startup in a default install because there is no mail.log by default - Cannot show any systemd logs. Users would need to just run journalctl or install gnome-logs to see those logs. gnome-logs + Last release was this month + Core GNOME app since 3.20 + Shows the auth, syslog and Xorg logs (I believe those logs are actually originally from the systemd journal and there are just output to disk for the benefit of people who don't want to use the systemd journal). - Only shows systemd logs so it can't currently show logs for things like dpkg, apt, apport or lightdm - systemd journal is not persistent by default. This means that only the current boot is shown. Some important logs that can only be seen at shutdown or a failed start won't be seen. [2] - scrolling is a bit unusual in gnome-logs as can be seen in the All tab. I believe by default, gnome-logs shows a lot more logs than gnome-system-log does especially if we enabled the persistent journal. Note: There is a scrolling performance bug in gnome-logs that has recently been fixed in artful and is in unapproved queue for zesty. [3] Note: A GSOC contributor has made several improvements to gnome-logs. [4] The Shell search provider isn't merged yet but you can try out the rest of the UI changes in the GNOME3 Staging PPA for artful. [1] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1522078 [2] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1618188 [3] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707554 [4] https://pranavganorkar.wordpress.com/2017/07/16/gnome-logs-july-gsoc-progress-report/ Thanks, Jeremy Bicha -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
