Re: [Merge] ~alfonsosanchezbeato/network-manager:test-ci into network-manager:snap-1.10

2019-06-03 Thread Tony Espy
I'm not clear if this commit is temporary or not? Did you mean to check this in 
so that you could test your CI changes, or are these changes intended to be 
permanent so that we can build the snap using CI? Do we disable a similar set 
of tests in the old HWE nm build too?

If these changes are intended to be permanent, please add some more detail to 
your commit message. Something like:

snap: disable tests that fail lp builds

Some advanced integration tests (e.g. bonding, teaming, ...) that are trigged 
by 'make test' fail when NM is built by launchpad.
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Re: [Merge] ~alfonsosanchezbeato/network-manager:add-connectivity-check into network-manager:snap-1.10

2019-01-15 Thread Tony Espy
@Alfonso

To do so would mean we need to add CI support for the NM 1.10 snap. We'll talk 
about it during the product sprint this week, and can follow up at our sprint 
next week.

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Re: [Merge] ~alfonsosanchezbeato/network-manager:add-connectivity-check into network-manager:snap-1.10

2019-01-11 Thread Tony Espy
Note, I'm not able to successfully build this version using the latest stable 
version of snapcraft. This may be due to virtualization, as I'm building from 
Ubuntu running under Parallels w/nested virtualization enabled (to allow 
multipass to run). Perhaps this is because the Parallels VM instance itself 
isn't configured in a way which allow all of the test cases to be run?

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[Merge] ~alfonsosanchezbeato/network-manager:add-connectivity-check into network-manager:snap-1.10

2019-01-11 Thread Tony Espy
The proposal to merge 
~alfonsosanchezbeato/network-manager:add-connectivity-check into 
network-manager:snap-1.10 has been updated.

Status: Needs review => Approved

For more details, see:
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Re: [Merge] ~alfonsosanchezbeato/network-manager:add-connectivity-check into network-manager:snap-1.10

2019-01-11 Thread Tony Espy
Review: Approve

LGTM
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Re: [Merge] ~alfonsosanchezbeato/network-manager:add-connectivity-check into network-manager:snap-1.10

2019-01-07 Thread Tony Espy
Review: Needs Fixing


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Re: [Merge] ~alfonsosanchezbeato/network-manager:add-connectivity-check into network-manager:snap-1.10

2019-01-07 Thread Tony Espy


Diff comments:

> diff --git a/snap/hooks/install b/snap/hooks/install
> deleted file mode 100755
> index 8f4e7ca..000
> --- a/snap/hooks/install
> +++ /dev/null
> @@ -1,11 +0,0 @@
> -#!/bin/sh -e

This hook is also used to prevent installation on classic desktop systems, not 
just Ubuntu Core 16!

> -
> -. "$SNAP"/meta/hooks/utils.sh
> -
> -target=$(get_target_system)
> -
> -if [ "$target" != "18" ] ; then
> -echo "This snap is only supported on Ubuntu Core 18."
> -exit 1
> -fi
> -
> diff --git a/snap/hooks/post-refresh b/snap/hooks/post-refresh
> deleted file mode 100755
> index 8f4e7ca..000
> --- a/snap/hooks/post-refresh
> +++ /dev/null
> @@ -1,11 +0,0 @@
> -#!/bin/sh -e

This hook is also used to prevent refresh on classic desktop systems, not just 
Ubuntu Core 16!

> -
> -. "$SNAP"/meta/hooks/utils.sh
> -
> -target=$(get_target_system)
> -
> -if [ "$target" != "18" ] ; then
> -echo "This snap is only supported on Ubuntu Core 18."
> -exit 1
> -fi
> -
> diff --git a/snap/snapcraft.yaml b/snap/snapcraft.yaml
> index e43dea0..d9e1363 100644
> --- a/snap/snapcraft.yaml
> +++ b/snap/snapcraft.yaml
> @@ -85,7 +80,6 @@ parts:
>networkmanager:
>  plugin: autotools
>  source: .
> -build-attributes: [no-system-libraries]

How are you building the snap? I'm still using 2.43.1 due to some issues with 
snapcraft 3.x. This attribute is still supported by 2.43.1, so I'd prefer to 
keep it for now, unless it's breaking snapcraft 3.x builds.

>  build-packages:
>- intltool
>- libdbus-glib-1-dev


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Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Simplifying system sleep functions

2011-04-22 Thread Tony Espy

On 04/22/2011 10:27 AM, Ted Gould wrote:

On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 12:06 -0400, Tony Espy wrote:

On 04/21/2011 11:49 AM, Ted Gould wrote:

On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 11:34 -0400, Tony Espy wrote:

On 04/19/2011 08:09 PM, Jason Warner wrote:

Hi Everyone - Sending this on behalf of John Lea, desktop design lead.

==

Currently Ubuntu contains two separate sleep functions, suspend and
hibernate.  This choice confuses users and is a un-necessary
complication to 'sleeping' the computer.  The proposed change is to
combine both 'suspend' and 'hibernate' into a single 'sleep' function.
When the user presses 'sleep', the computer should both suspend and
hibernate simultaneously.  The computer remains suspended for a set
period of time (e.g. 30min) or until the battery charge falls below a
set level.  At the point the suspend state is discarded, and if  the
user wakes the computer after this point their state is restored from
hibernate.  However if the user wakes the computer before the suspend
state is discarded, the computer is restored from 'suspend' and the
'hibernate' state is discarded.


I'm not a fan of this idea.

If suspend works for the vast majority of users, why complicate it by
adding a timed auto-hibernate to the equation?  As a few folks have
pointed out, what if hibernate fails?  What if the BIOS doesn't properly
support a wake timer?

I'm pretty sure the latter criteria for triggering hibernate ( critical
low-battery event while suspended ) already works.  It essentially wakes
the system from suspend, the power manager notices the battery is
critically low, and invokes a hibernate.  The timed scenario would work
in a similar manner, except that after a timer event wakes the system,
the power manager would have to have added logic to trigger the hibernate.

I'm much more in favor of hiding or even removing hibernate from the UI,
as long as it remains an option for critical low-battery event for
those systems that properly support hibernate.


I think these are all valid cases, but I think that we should support
this feature.  I think how we should handle this is with a whitelist if
machines that we know hibernate works on.  We can provide instructions
on adding your machine to that list if you want.  Otherwise machines
that get certified by a vendor that cares about Ubuntu could ship their
machine in that whitelist.


Two words come to mind...maintenance nightmare.  ;)

After having lived through OEM-hell the last three months dealing with
ACPI stress testing and hibernate failures on Sandy Bridge machines, the
idea of maintaining a whitelist of machines that are known to have a
working hibernate function, doesn't seem very practical to me.


I'm confused, wouldn't your work there be effectively building that
whitelist?  Sounds like work you've already done ;-)


Ah, there you go, volunteering me for work items!  We can talk about 
this over beers in Budapest!



What I think this does, and I don't believe it's really a bad thing, is
makes it so there are effectively two Ubuntu experiences.  That which
you get from installing off of the CD on random hardware, and that which
you get when you use a hardware vendor that cares about Ubuntu.  I think
that we need to make the experience the best we can for hardware vendors
that want to participate in Ubuntu -- and provide reasonable fallback
for those who don't.


Personally, if we really want to consider this idea, I think we need to
put cycles into making hibernate work better first ( faster, more user
feedback, ... ).

Another alternative would be to explore something more radical, along
the lines of what OS X does, which actually tries to combine hibernate
and sleep as opposed to running them in a serial fashion as proposed.


So I guess that'd be the list of things we should discuss in the
session.  What are the requirements and changes we'd need to make
hibernate work well enough to make this a reality?  We can't budget time
if we don't know what we want :-)

Also, I thought this *was* how OSX did things.  Can you explain how that
works as I don't know.


My understanding is that macbooks running the latest versions of OS X, 
always write a hibernate image to disk when sleeping, however the 
machine still goes into S3 (sleep).  If the system is resumed and power 
has never dropped below critical level, then it's just like a normal 
suspend/resume.  If however the system runs out of juice...the next time 
it's booted, it will resume from the hibernate image.


This is different than a normal Ubuntu install, where sleep == suspend, 
with no hibernate image written.  If the battery reaches a critical 
level, the machine is woken up, and the power manager will initiate a 
hibernate ( unless the user has changed the default setting ).


pm-utils does support something called pm-suspend-hybrid which acts like 
the OS X sleep, but I have little experience with it.


Does anybody care to comment on the current

Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Simplifying system sleep functions

2011-04-21 Thread Tony Espy

On 04/21/2011 11:49 AM, Ted Gould wrote:

On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 11:34 -0400, Tony Espy wrote:

On 04/19/2011 08:09 PM, Jason Warner wrote:

Hi Everyone - Sending this on behalf of John Lea, desktop design lead.

==

Currently Ubuntu contains two separate sleep functions, suspend and
hibernate.  This choice confuses users and is a un-necessary
complication to 'sleeping' the computer.  The proposed change is to
combine both 'suspend' and 'hibernate' into a single 'sleep' function.
   When the user presses 'sleep', the computer should both suspend and
hibernate simultaneously.  The computer remains suspended for a set
period of time (e.g. 30min) or until the battery charge falls below a
set level.  At the point the suspend state is discarded, and if  the
user wakes the computer after this point their state is restored from
hibernate.  However if the user wakes the computer before the suspend
state is discarded, the computer is restored from 'suspend' and the
'hibernate' state is discarded.


I'm not a fan of this idea.

If suspend works for the vast majority of users, why complicate it by
adding a timed auto-hibernate to the equation?  As a few folks have
pointed out, what if hibernate fails?  What if the BIOS doesn't properly
support a wake timer?

I'm pretty sure the latter criteria for triggering hibernate ( critical
low-battery event while suspended ) already works.  It essentially wakes
the system from suspend, the power manager notices the battery is
critically low, and invokes a hibernate.  The timed scenario would work
in a similar manner, except that after a timer event wakes the system,
the power manager would have to have added logic to trigger the hibernate.

I'm much more in favor of hiding or even removing hibernate from the UI,
as long as it remains an option for critical low-battery event for
those systems that properly support hibernate.


I think these are all valid cases, but I think that we should support
this feature.  I think how we should handle this is with a whitelist if
machines that we know hibernate works on.  We can provide instructions
on adding your machine to that list if you want.  Otherwise machines
that get certified by a vendor that cares about Ubuntu could ship their
machine in that whitelist.


Two words come to mind...maintenance nightmare.  ;)

After having lived through OEM-hell the last three months dealing with 
ACPI stress testing and hibernate failures on Sandy Bridge machines, the 
idea of maintaining a whitelist of machines that are known to have a 
working hibernate function, doesn't seem very practical to me.



What I think this does, and I don't believe it's really a bad thing, is
makes it so there are effectively two Ubuntu experiences.  That which
you get from installing off of the CD on random hardware, and that which
you get when you use a hardware vendor that cares about Ubuntu.  I think
that we need to make the experience the best we can for hardware vendors
that want to participate in Ubuntu -- and provide reasonable fallback
for those who don't.


Personally, if we really want to consider this idea, I think we need to 
put cycles into making hibernate work better first ( faster, more user 
feedback, ... ).


Another alternative would be to explore something more radical, along 
the lines of what OS X does, which actually tries to combine hibernate 
and sleep as opposed to running them in a serial fashion as proposed.


/t




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