Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-06-30 Thread Ma Xiaojun
Also the Application Lens tainted with settings stuff issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-applications/+bug/1196414 -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-06-30 Thread Ma Xiaojun
For xdiagnose, the icon is useless as it requires superuser to run. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdiagnose/+bug/1183771 Can we hide the icon at least for 13.10+ ? -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-08 Thread Nafallo Bjälevik
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 04/04/13 08:50, Oliver Grawert wrote: > hi, On Do, 2013-04-04 at 09:41 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: >> hi, On Do, 2013-04-04 at 09:56 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote: >>> There is a related bug already: >>> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/u

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-04 Thread Ma Xiaojun
Thank you for your work, Oliver. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-04 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, On Do, 2013-04-04 at 09:50 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: > hi, > On Do, 2013-04-04 at 09:41 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: > > hi, > > On Do, 2013-04-04 at 09:56 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > > > There is a related bug already: > > > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-04 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, On Do, 2013-04-04 at 09:41 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: > hi, > On Do, 2013-04-04 at 09:56 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > > There is a related bug already: > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1116791 > > > i demoted them to recommends (so removing them doesn't unins

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-04 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, On Do, 2013-04-04 at 09:56 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > There is a related bug already: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1116791 > i demoted them to recommends (so removing them doesn't uninstall ubuntu-desktop) in the seeds but have to wait with an upload of ubunt

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-03 Thread Ma Xiaojun
There is a related bug already: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1116791 -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-03 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, On Do, 2013-04-04 at 03:10 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Oliver Grawert wrote: > > you are aware that this tiny minority is the remaining bit of > > contributing developers left from the once massive dev community we used > > to have ? > > I have no idea whether

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-03 Thread Ma Xiaojun
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Oliver Grawert wrote: > you are aware that this tiny minority is the remaining bit of > contributing developers left from the once massive dev community we used > to have ? I have no idea whether number of contributing developers used to be larger or not. > we ha

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-03 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, On Mi, 2013-04-03 at 09:25 -0700, Dylan McCall wrote: > On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 2:19 AM, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Oliver Grawert wrote: > > > xterm is used by many people doing development on ubuntu as a preferred > > > terminal over gnome-terminal, so i dont think

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-03 Thread Dylan McCall
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 2:19 AM, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Oliver Grawert wrote: > > xterm is used by many people doing development on ubuntu as a preferred > > terminal over gnome-terminal, so i dont think we can or should hide it > > if we don't want to put off people u

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-03 Thread Thomas Prost
Am Mittwoch, den 03.04.2013, 13:03 +0200 schrieb Oliver Grawert: > hi, > On Mi, 2013-04-03 at 18:37 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Oliver Grawert wrote: > > > PS: would it be possible for you to use the "reply to list" feature of > > > your mail client, it is pretty

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-03 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, On Mi, 2013-04-03 at 18:37 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Oliver Grawert wrote: > > PS: would it be possible for you to use the "reply to list" feature of > > your mail client, it is pretty annoying to answer you the way you break > > the thread currently (and i am

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-03 Thread Ma Xiaojun
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Oliver Grawert wrote: > PS: would it be possible for you to use the "reply to list" feature of > your mail client, it is pretty annoying to answer you the way you break > the thread currently (and i am subscribed to the list, there is no need > to CC me) ... I know

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-03 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, On Mi, 2013-04-03 at 17:40 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Oliver Grawert wrote: > > so you expect that a user that doesn't know what a terminal is to type > > "terminal" into the dash and be surprised to find a terminal ? > > > > i really don't get what this discuss

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-03 Thread Ma Xiaojun
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Oliver Grawert wrote: > so you expect that a user that doesn't know what a terminal is to type > "terminal" into the dash and be surprised to find a terminal ? > > i really don't get what this discussion is about, users not knowing > about terminals will not search

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-03 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi On Mi, 2013-04-03 at 15:50 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Chow Loong Jin wrote: > > I don't understand. Are you saying that you expect end users who don't know > > what > > a terminal is to know a terminal? > > I expect end users who don't know what a terminal is n

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-03 Thread Ma Xiaojun
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Chow Loong Jin wrote: > I don't understand. Are you saying that you expect end users who don't know > what > a terminal is to know a terminal? I expect end users who don't know what a terminal is not to see fancy Apps like xterm and uxterm. -- ubuntu-desktop mai

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-02 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 03/04/2013 13:21, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: >> Install alacarte and then just uncheck the apps you don't want to see >> in the menus. > > So I can expect end users do not know what a terminal is to know this > software? I don't understand. Are y

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-02 Thread Ma Xiaojun
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > Install alacarte and then just uncheck the apps you don't want to see > in the menus. So I can expect end users do not know what a terminal is to know this software? -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lis

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-02 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 2 April 2013 23:13, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > Sure I know what is a .desktop file. > > But can we do per-user show/hide? Install alacarte and then just uncheck the apps you don't want to see in the menus. Jeremy -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.c

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-02 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 2 April 2013 23:05, Doug McMahon wrote: > On 04/02/2013 10:36 PM, Ma Xiaojun wrote: >> >> It seems like we need an easy way of show/hide App icons. >> >> Then we can hide useless icon for end users while don't bother >> advanced users too much. > > There already is - NoDisplay=true > file a bu

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-02 Thread Ma Xiaojun
(Sorry forgot reply list) Sure I know what is a .desktop file. But can we do per-user show/hide? -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-02 Thread Doug McMahon
On 04/02/2013 10:36 PM, Ma Xiaojun wrote: It seems like we need an easy way of show/hide App icons. Then we can hide useless icon for end users while don't bother advanced users too much. There already is - NoDisplay=true file a bug on apps/sources in question -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list u

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-02 Thread Ma Xiaojun
It seems like we need an easy way of show/hide App icons. Then we can hide useless icon for end users while don't bother advanced users too much. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-02 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 10:55:48AM +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: > hi, > On Di, 2013-04-02 at 16:45 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > > OK, the reasons make sense, but do we need to advertise them as Apps? > > i think xdiagnose doesnt need to be shown in any menus (though that > would be a matter of the m

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-02 Thread Ma Xiaojun
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Oliver Grawert wrote: > i think xdiagnose doesnt need to be shown in any menus (though that > would be a matter of the maintainer (hey bryce !) to hop into this > discussion and comment, i dont think the .desktop file was added just > because it is shiny, there is s

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-02 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, On Di, 2013-04-02 at 16:45 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > OK, the reasons make sense, but do we need to advertise them as Apps? i think xdiagnose doesnt need to be shown in any menus (though that would be a matter of the maintainer (hey bryce !) to hop into this discussion and comment, i dont thin

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-02 Thread Ma Xiaojun
OK, the reasons make sense, but do we need to advertise them as Apps? -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop

Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-02 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, On Di, 2013-04-02 at 12:03 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/ubuntu-desktop > xdiagnose is used by apport, whoopsie and the Xorg failure mode. In case your graphics card fails it is used to do the reconfiguration to get you back on track. xterm is the default fallb

Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm

2013-04-01 Thread Ma Xiaojun
http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/ubuntu-desktop That sounds weird. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop