Re: Trying to reduce our memory and battery footprint

2012-10-17 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 17/10/2012 06:43, Martin Pitt a écrit : Do you have other cases in mind which would benefit from this? Hey Martin, The main benefit I'm looking forward having is finer granularity on startup conditions ... e.g why starting bluetooth-applet if there is no bluetooth device exposed by udev,

Re: [Desktop13.04-Topic] GNOME plans review

2012-10-17 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 16/10/2012 23:24, Robert Ancell a écrit : In conclusion I don't think we have anything to be worried about with GNOME OS at this point and by the time it did matter we may be sufficiently different anyway that it doesn't matter. Seems like GNOME OS is managing to get any discussion off-track,

Re: [Desktop13.04-Topic] accessibility

2012-10-17 Thread Alan Bell
I would like the text cursor tracking zoom to be incorporated, there is code that works, it just needs to be incorporated properly https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/727290 https://code.launchpad.net/~gloob/compiz/texttracking I can understand dropping the themes, Unity

Re: Trying to reduce our memory and battery footprint

2012-10-17 Thread Ted Gould
On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 13:18 +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 01:07:58PM +0100, James Hunt wrote: On 16/10/12 10:07, Colin Watson wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 09:59:11AM +0100, James Hunt wrote: The current thinking is in fact to have 1 process / user. I think Scott

Re: Trying to reduce our memory and battery footprint

2012-10-17 Thread Ted Gould
On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 06:43 +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: snip I don't think the reason why starting Unity and starting the Dash takes so long is in any way related to startup order or that we wouldn't have a mechanism of starting things on demand (D-Bus activation works just fine for the most

Re: Trying to reduce our memory and battery footprint

2012-10-17 Thread Ted Gould
On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 08:43 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 08:43:31AM -0500, Ted Gould wrote: It was my understanding that we could get this by upstart putting all of the processes in the user session in a cgroup for that user. This would require upstart to be the

Re: [Desktop13.04-Topic] GNOME plans review

2012-10-17 Thread Robert Ancell
On 17/10/12 18:25, Allison Randal wrote: On 10/16/2012 03:56 PM, Robert Ancell wrote: My point is we *shouldn't* take the time to update Debian as it is all cost and no benefit. If you think of Debian as being directly upstream from Ubuntu it sounds good but in reality it is a more sidestream.

Re: Collaboration with Debian [was: Re: [Desktop13.04-Topic] GNOME plans review]

2012-10-17 Thread Robert Ancell
On 17/10/12 18:02, Martin Pitt wrote: Robert Ancell [2012-10-17 10:48 +1300]: - By updating packages in Debian and waiting for them to flow down to Ubuntu kills our velocity. It can change the time from upstream release to being in Ubuntu from hours (which is too long in my opinion) to days.