Re: Default App: Onboard

[Sebastien Bacher]

Le 29/08/2017 à 19:34, Jeremy Bicha a écrit :
> As briefly discussed at today's Desktop meeting, we'll be dropping
> onboard from the 17.10 default install now.

Note that we are still interested to get updates about the situation of
onboard under gnome-shell/wayland, ideally we should land the new
codebase in universe this cycle to get some feedback if we want to
reconsider it next cycle.

Cheers,

Sebastien Bacher


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Re: Default App: Onboard

[Francesco Fumanti]

Hi Jeremy, 

Thanks for the piece of information. 

Cheers, 

Francesco, member of the Onboard Devel Team. 

On 2017-08-29 19:34, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Jeremy Bicha  wrote:
>> Since we intend to default to GNOME on Wayland for 17.10 where
>> supported by hardware drivers, I nominate removing Onboard from the
>> default install.
> 
> As briefly discussed at today's Desktop meeting, we'll be dropping
> onboard from the 17.10 default install now.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeremy Bicha
> 

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Re: Default App: Onboard

[Jeremy Bicha]

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Jeremy Bicha  wrote:
> Since we intend to default to GNOME on Wayland for 17.10 where
> supported by hardware drivers, I nominate removing Onboard from the
> default install.

As briefly discussed at today's Desktop meeting, we'll be dropping
onboard from the 17.10 default install now.

Thanks,
Jeremy Bicha

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Re: Default App: Onboard

[Didier Roche]

Le 20/08/2017 à 13:27, Jeremy Bicha a écrit :

On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Francesco Fumanti
 wrote:

The adaption of Onboard to GNOME Shell has been our focus since the 
announcement of Ubuntu switching to GNOME for 17.10. For the reasons outlined 
by marmuta in this thread, a full integration of the python based Onboard into 
GNOME Shell seems very difficult, if not impossible.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/onboard/+bug/1672465

Thanks for the updates!


In the meantime, OnboardOSK is quite usable on X, but not yet in Wayland, which 
brings me to the question, whether Ubuntu 17.10 is also going to use Wayland as 
default?

Yes.


We will not be able to offer a proper release before feature freeze on the 24th 
of august. What does this mean for Ubuntu 18.04? Will it be possible to have 
OnboardOSK become default again for Ubuntu 18.04, which is a LTS, if it has not 
already been the default on-screen keyboard in 17.10?

Yes, there is a possibility that OnboardOSK could be used by default
for 18.04 LTS, even if Onboard is dropped from the default install for
17.10.


Let's be honest though; moving to Caribou will make it less likely to 
set a new brand codebase (as this is basically a rewrite from what I got 
to C and C++) for the LTS, especially if we decide for Caribou and it 
works well for our users.



Moreover, as OnboardOSK being a fork from Onboard, I wonder whether it has to 
go through the Universe and Main inclusion process?

It must go through the new queue if it has new binary or source
packages. It will probably need to go through a MIR process if it
needs to be in Main but it should be simpler than a brand new MIR.


Not really, if the code is all new due to this port, it needs a proper 
full code rereading.


To come back to Caribou: how does it handles fcitx (as I think upstream 
is focused on ibus), maybe we should link that one to the decision on 
fcitx vs ibus?


Cheers,
Didier

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Re: Default App: Onboard

[Francesco Fumanti]

Hi, 

The adaption of Onboard to GNOME Shell has been our focus since the 
announcement of Ubuntu switching to GNOME for 17.10. For the reasons outlined 
by marmuta in this thread, a full integration of the python based Onboard into 
GNOME Shell seems very difficult, if not impossible. 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/onboard/+bug/1672465

So he started to port Onboard to C and C++. The current state of the port is 
available here:
https://launchpad.net/onboardosk

The adaption to Ubuntu 17.10 has in fact two aspects: 
1) GNOME Shell 
2) Wayland 

In the meantime, OnboardOSK is quite usable on X, but not yet in Wayland, which 
brings me to the question, whether Ubuntu 17.10 is also going to use Wayland as 
default? 

We will not be able to offer a proper release before feature freeze on the 24th 
of august. What does this mean for Ubuntu 18.04? Will it be possible to have 
OnboardOSK become default again for Ubuntu 18.04, which is a LTS, if it has not 
already been the default on-screen keyboard in 17.10? 

Moreover, as OnboardOSK being a fork from Onboard, I wonder whether it has to 
go through the Universe and Main inclusion process? 

In any case, once OnboardOSK has reached a state where an installation of it 
becomes sensible, we will probably offer it through PPAs, as we used to do it 
for Onboard. 

Cheers, 

Francesco 





On 2017-08-20 00:21, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Since we intend to default to GNOME on Wayland for 17.10 where
> supported by hardware drivers, I nominate removing Onboard from the
> default install.
> 
> Onboard doesn't work in Wayland (LP: #1672465) and it would be
> difficult for it to work there without GNOME Shell being modified to
> allow that. See also https://bugzilla.gnome.org/785677
> 
> GNOME's built-in Caribou on screen keyboard is not as powerful or
> complete as Onboard but maybe it will get better in the next year or
> so. Caribou is very well-integrated to GNOME and is already part of
> the 17.10 default install.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeremy Bicha
> 

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