Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-25 Thread Jan Claeys
Jan Claeys schreef op za 23-04-2011 om 02:49 [+0200]: BTW: I've already seen developers who include code in their application to whitelist itself. As Jorge asked me on IRC what applications are doing this... http://www.fewt.com/2011/03/whitelist-utility-script-to-allow-apps.html is one

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-22 Thread Jan Claeys
Martin Pitt schreef op vr 08-04-2011 om 08:52 [+0200]: Rick Spencer [2011-04-07 18:38 -0700]: 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray support for many important applications. For the record, this is currently purely a design decision, not a technical

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-21 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
On 2011-04-08 08:52, Martin Pitt wrote: Rick Spencer [2011-04-07 18:38 -0700]: 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray support for many important applications. ... If this is a major issue, then frankly I'd rather just remove the whitelist and allow all

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-19 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jono Bacon wrote on 16/04/11 20:05: On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 03:00 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: ... Last week, Charline Poirier ran a user test of Unity, with 11 individual participants. This week, I have helped Charline analyze the results.

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-19 Thread Jan Claeys
Matthew Paul Thomas schreef op di 19-04-2011 om 15:55 [+0100]: * The object of the study was, obviously, not to measure crashes. Crashes are usually quick to find and fix, so any user test of those would be weeks out of date when published. I mentioned them only as a reminder

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-19 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 19 April 2011 15:13, Jan Claeys li...@janc.be wrote: Matthew Paul Thomas schreef op di 19-04-2011 om 15:55 [+0100]: *   The object of the study was, obviously, not to measure crashes.     Crashes are usually quick to find and fix, so any user test of those     would be weeks out of date

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-19 Thread IKT
because screen is hard mode. On 20 April 2011 05:07, Jeremy Bicha jer...@bicha.net wrote: On 19 April 2011 15:13, Jan Claeys li...@janc.be wrote: Matthew Paul Thomas schreef op di 19-04-2011 om 15:55 [+0100]: * The object of the study was, obviously, not to measure crashes. Crashes

Re: Missing panel items (was Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results)

2011-04-18 Thread Alin-Andrei
Hello, * The weather notifier is missing. I really like this little notifier so I know when to throw open the windows and get some fresh air! Install the indicator-weather package - it's in the official Natty repos (universe). * System monitor. I like this little applet because it gives me a

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-17 Thread Rick Spencer
On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 09:17 +0100, Paul Sladen wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2011, Rick Spencer wrote: For brand new users? Some of the tasks aren't relevant. Which ones? Changing the background image and setting in general. On the contrary. Changing the wallpaper and screensaver are

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-16 Thread Jono Bacon
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 03:00 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rick Spencer wrote on 08/04/11 02:38: ... Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Celeste Lyn Paul
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Bryce Harrington br...@canonical.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:00:31AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: *   8/10 people could find a window's menus, but 7/8 of them learned to *   Only 4/11 worked out how to change the background picture. *   6/10

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bryce Harrington wrote on 15/04/11 06:48: On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:00:31AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: * 8/10 people could find a window's menus, but 7/8 of them learned to * Only 4/11 worked out how to change the background picture.

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Rick Spencer
First, thanks Usability Team! I know how much work goes into planning and running a study like this, and how much agony is involved in interpreting and writing up the results. It's clear that there are some areas for improvement in 11.10, and these results will be instrumental in helping to guide

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Toby Smithe
2011/4/15 Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com: *   8/10 people could find a window's menus, but 7/8 of them learned to    access them by hovering over maximized close/minimize/unmaximize    buttons then moving horizontally -- which was extremely slow, and    failed whenever the window

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 07:08:02AM -0700, Rick Spencer wrote: On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 22:48 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote: On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:00:31AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: * 8/10 people could find a window's menus, but 7/8 of them learned to * Only 4/11 worked out

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 01:33:27PM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: Bryce Harrington wrote on 15/04/11 06:48: On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:00:31AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: Also, these tests measure usability, but not their overall impression. Did they like it? Find it

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rick Spencer wrote on 15/04/11 15:08: First, thanks Usability Team! I know how much work goes into planning and running a study like this, and how much agony is involved in interpreting and writing up the results. It's clear that there are some

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Rick Spencer
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 23:29 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rick Spencer wrote on 15/04/11 15:08: First, thanks Usability Team! I know how much work goes into planning and running a study like this, and how much agony is involved in

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-14 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rick Spencer wrote on 08/04/11 02:38: ... Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of development, it appears that we are going to achieve this goal, and Unity will

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-14 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:00:31AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: * 8/10 people could find a window's menus, but 7/8 of them learned to * Only 4/11 worked out how to change the background picture. * 6/10 could easily find and launch a game that wasn't in the * Only 1/9 (P4) easily

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-11 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le vendredi 08 avril 2011 à 19:05 +0200, Martin Pitt a écrit : I mean GNOME here, as most of the patches we carry for appindicator are against GNOME applications. But it really applies to all other upstreams, starting from hplip, mumble, etc. Hi, Not that I agree that unity should

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-11 Thread Scott Ritchie
On 04/07/2011 11:52 PM, Martin Pitt wrote: Rick Spencer [2011-04-07 18:38 -0700]: 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray support for many important applications. For the record, this is currently purely a design decision, not a technical problem. Unity does

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-11 Thread Scott Ritchie
On 04/11/2011 06:26 AM, Martin Owens wrote: On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 04:22 -0700, Scott Ritchie wrote: I think it's the height of arrogance for us to tell a user that we're going to deliberately break his application because it wasn't updated to use our new indicator library. We tell users all

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-09 Thread Kees Cook
Hi Rick, On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 06:38:27PM -0700, Rick Spencer wrote: Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of development, it appears that we are going to achieve this goal, and Unity will stay the

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-09 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/4/8 Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com: There are a lot of bugs and lack of features (and many have been fixed already as well) and the performance is quite bad in parts, but those are not as serious as a) crashers and potentially b) accessibility and lack of any help. Just reflecting

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-09 Thread nadt
Am 09.04.2011 06:43, schrieb Sean McNamara: ... I have much respect for the Unity developers for contributing to FOSS, and I think that it has genuine utility in the netbook form factor. I just don't think it's ready for the general purpose desktop. My wish is for the Ubuntu Netbook Remix to

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-09 Thread Jorge O. Castro
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Martin Owens docto...@gmail.com wrote: But what is available isn't classic ubuntu gnome... at least not in testing so far: Seb128 has fixed this, the Classic GNOME in Natty as of yesterdayish is now what you'd think Classic should be. For people who prefer

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Martin Pitt
Rick Spencer [2011-04-07 18:38 -0700]: 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray support for many important applications. For the record, this is currently purely a design decision, not a technical problem. Unity does have a systray, but most applications are not

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/4/8 Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com: I couldn't have believed it even two months ago still, but today I feel the same. When I switch back to classic GNOME it feels inferior now; I'm particularly missing the super-fast keyboard shortcuts/search/navigation and bigger screen real estate.

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/4/8 Neil Jagdish Patel neil.pa...@canonical.com: 3.8.4 should be much, much more stable, especially if you're on a 64-bit system. The entire team is concentrated on crashers and I think we'll have a very stable Unity by hard-freeze. Sounds good, and yes I've 64-bit which explains a bit.

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Martin Pitt
Neil Jagdish Patel [2011-04-08 11:38 +0100]: I'll be looking into this, I believe it's because we needlessly initialise the place-daemons during log-in. Does that include zeitgeist? As a Python program, it has a pretty heavy impact on the login sequence. In previous releases we tried to keep it

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Martin Pitt
Jorge O. Castro [2011-04-07 22:00 -0400]: We've been transitioning since 10.04 now so I don't think this should be attributed to Unity entirely, we could have easily run into this by not shipping the notification area in classic mode. Well, we can always break things harder, but IMHO this is a

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le vendredi 08 avril 2011 à 18:38 +0200, Martin Pitt a écrit : Well, we can always break things harder, but IMHO this is a battle which we aren't going to win until/unless we actually get indicators landed upstream... Who is upstream? libappindicator is a free software project not tied to

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Martin Pitt
Sebastien Bacher [2011-04-08 19:03 +0200]: Who is upstream? I mean GNOME here, as most of the patches we carry for appindicator are against GNOME applications. But it really applies to all other upstreams, starting from hplip, mumble, etc. Martin -- Martin Pitt|

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread NoOp
On 04/07/2011 06:38 PM, Rick Spencer wrote: Hello all, Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of development, it appears that we are going to achieve this goal, and Unity will stay the default for 11.04.

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread ebcovert3
...@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 On 04/07/2011 06:38 PM, Rick Spencer wrote: Hello all, Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of development, it appears that we are going

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Sean McNamara
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:21 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 04/07/2011 06:38 PM, Rick Spencer wrote: Hello all, Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of development, it appears that we are going to

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-07 Thread Brian Curtis
Hi all, I think I can offer some opinions on this without repeating what others say too much. I want to compare this to the decision a few releases ago to make Empathy the default IM client in Ubuntu. Then why I think Unity should become the default desktop session and not classic GNOME.

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-07 Thread Jorge O. Castro
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Rick Spencer rick.spen...@canonical.com wrote: 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray support for many important applications. According to the AppIndicator Design document the notification area will be phased out:

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-07 Thread Alex Launi
I can honestly say that when I am not in a unity environment, I don't feel at home. I bounce back and forth between ubuntu and osx, and when nvidia was broken, and when I'm in osx, I often find myself trying to 4 finger slide, throwing my mouse to 0,0, tapping super, and generally evoking unity