Re: Change unattended-upgrades from Depends to Recommends on ubuntu-server-minimal

2022-01-14 Thread Nathan Haines
Since I don't have a clear point to reply to, I'll just delete the message history rather than top-post. I would simply like to interject that, all other things equal, a new LTS is a fantastic time to change behavior, because it also offers a bright, shining opportunity to document a change

Re: Change unattended-upgrades from Depends to Recommends on ubuntu-server-minimal

2022-01-12 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
LXD images called "Ubuntu Server" should behave as similarly as possible to bare metal images called "Ubuntu Server". Unless there is a documented technical reason for the delta, I suspect the difference is a consequence of org boundaries and should be revisited. There is definitely a need

Re: Change unattended-upgrades from Depends to Recommends on ubuntu-server-minimal

2022-01-12 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 05, 2022 at 09:40:32AM -0600, John Chittum wrote: > From Steve: > > > First, I think unattended-upgrades should be directly seeded everywhere; > > its inclusion in the images should not be a side-effect of including > > software-properties. > On one hand, I generally agree with this

Re: Change unattended-upgrades from Depends to Recommends on ubuntu-server-minimal

2022-01-12 Thread Dan Streetman
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 6:12 PM Michael Hudson-Doyle wrote: > > So I think we should probably change the server-minimal seed to only > recommend, not depend, on unattended-upgrades. Changing to a hard dependency > was not intended when I wrote that seed and a change like this should > probably

Re: Change unattended-upgrades from Depends to Recommends on ubuntu-server-minimal

2022-01-11 Thread Michael Hudson-Doyle
So I think we should probably change the server-minimal seed to only recommend, not depend, on unattended-upgrades. Changing to a hard dependency was not intended when I wrote that seed and a change like this should probably be a conscious thing. On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 at 22:25, John Chittum wrote:

Re: Change unattended-upgrades from Depends to Recommends on ubuntu-server-minimal

2022-01-06 Thread John Chittum
Going to backtrack slightly to answer Matthew's question: Why is Jammy Server semantically different from Cloud images or > Container images? The Cloud Image and the LXD Container image are the same. Both are generated by the `ubuntu-cpc` project, and thus take the same initial paths in

Re: Change unattended-upgrades from Depends to Recommends on ubuntu-server-minimal

2022-01-04 Thread Dan Streetman
On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 6:18 PM Steve Langasek wrote: > > Matthew, Jay, thanks for pressing on this. > > On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 05:36:15PM -0800, Jay Vosburgh wrote: > > Steve Langasek wrote: > > > >Hi Matthew, > > > >On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 03:28:32PM +1300, Matthew Ruffell wrote: > > > >It's

Re: Change unattended-upgrades from Depends to Recommends on ubuntu-server-minimal

2021-12-21 Thread Matthew Ruffell
Hi Steve, On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 2:36 PM Jay Vosburgh wrote: > >It's not necessary to remove the unattended-upgrades package in order to > >achieve this. unattended-upgrades is configurable, and it's sufficient to > >set 'APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "0";' in >

Re: Change unattended-upgrades from Depends to Recommends on ubuntu-server-minimal

2021-12-21 Thread Jay Vosburgh
Steve Langasek wrote: >Hi Matthew, > >On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 03:28:32PM +1300, Matthew Ruffell wrote: > >> I was testing Jammy and happened to notice that unattended-upgrades >> Depends on ubuntu-server-minimal, and when removing unattended-upgrades, >> ubuntu-server-minimal is removed along

Re: Change unattended-upgrades from Depends to Recommends on ubuntu-server-minimal

2021-12-16 Thread Steve Langasek
Matthew, Jay, thanks for pressing on this. On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 05:36:15PM -0800, Jay Vosburgh wrote: > Steve Langasek wrote: > >Hi Matthew, > >On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 03:28:32PM +1300, Matthew Ruffell wrote: > >It's not necessary to remove the unattended-upgrades package in order to >

Re: Change unattended-upgrades from Depends to Recommends on ubuntu-server-minimal

2021-12-14 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Matthew, On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 03:28:32PM +1300, Matthew Ruffell wrote: > I was testing Jammy and happened to notice that unattended-upgrades > Depends on ubuntu-server-minimal, and when removing unattended-upgrades, > ubuntu-server-minimal is removed along with it: > $ sudo apt remove

Re: Change unattended-upgrades from Depends to Recommends on ubuntu-server-minimal

2021-12-14 Thread Lukasz Zemczak
Hey Matthew! When you check what the ./update script does, it actually executes germinate-update-metapackage from germinate, which on the other hand uses the ubuntu and platform seeds to repopulate the metapackage contents. So to get it removed from ubuntu-server-minimal, you will first need to