[Fwd: Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)]

2007-12-06 Thread Blaise Alleyne
Onno Benschop wrote: On 04/12/07 01:28, Christofer C. Bell wrote: I think allowing the developers of the distribution, those who have a real stake in the success of the software in its entirety, to decide where to focus their efforts is superior to allowing the mob to decide what's

Re: [Fwd: Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)]

2007-12-06 Thread Sarah Hobbs
Blaise Alleyne wrote: True, but there's the additional question - is this the appropriate place for that sort of discussion? In other words, sure, the developers need a place to discuss things free from the mob, but the mob also needs to be able to participate and voice their

Re: Hardy Alpha 1 released

2007-12-06 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 11:25:35AM -0600, Conrad Knauer wrote: On Dec 3, 2007 7:34 AM, Ped [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From forum post I learned the sagem modem *did* work in 5.xx ubuntu (probably 2.4 kernel with eagle-usb driver) right after install, but when I did install 6.10 first time on

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-12-06 Thread Kevin Fries
On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 22:13 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: For those of us who are volunteers (most of us), the compromise is someone has to convince me it's worth my time to bother. So I'd say the other way around. The users who want volunteers to actually do free work for them need to be

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-12-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday 06 December 2007 11:36, Kevin Fries wrote: On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 22:13 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: For those of us who are volunteers (most of us), the compromise is someone has to convince me it's worth my time to bother. So I'd say the other way around. The users who want

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-12-06 Thread Kevin Fries
On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 12:03 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: I think you misunderstand my point. No I got it. And I think that that thinking is wrong and dangerous to Linux in general, and Ubuntu in specific. snip My concern is the idea that because a user said they want it is a meaninful

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-12-06 Thread Cory K.
Kevin Fries wrote: You allow the customers wishes to be the only real metric because you place Ubuntu and Linux's needs before your own. Otherwise, are you really helping? *IF* I were paid I would agree. What it comes down to with many of us is we find a niche we care about and work on that.

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-12-06 Thread Patrick
There are some really strong arguments being put forth in this thread. I think I can understand how all the participates feel. I think there is a developer-user disconnect and I tried to touch on this in my long winded best foot forward thread. That being said I have contributed absolutely

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-12-06 Thread Neal McBurnett
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 11:55:40AM -0700, Kevin Fries wrote: On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 12:03 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: I think you misunderstand my point. No I got it. And I think that that thinking is wrong and dangerous to Linux in general, and Ubuntu in specific. Kevin - howdy! I

Re: Kickseed, Kickstart, Preseed

2007-12-06 Thread MJang
On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 12:43 +, Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 12:30:23PM +, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 08:43:34PM -0800, MJang wrote: Wondering where Ubuntu is going w/r/t automated installations. I see bits on Kickseed, but nothing in Gutsy. I see

report(ed)bug(s) slipped through

2007-12-06 Thread Thilo Six
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user/126515 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user/124895 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user/126118

[Fwd: Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)]

2007-12-06 Thread Kevin Fries
This was sent to me personally, and it has comments directed to others in the group... Therefore, I assume it was meant for the group at large. Kevin Fries Forwarded Message From: Richard A. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

Re: [Fwd: Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)]

2007-12-06 Thread Todd Deshane
Hi All, I think this thread has gotten way off topic. Can somebody in charge flag this thread as a dead horse [1] ? I think there is some good discussion going on, but those discussions should be taken to new, fresh threads. I do think that in order to post to lists intended for developers to

Re: [Fwd: Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)]

2007-12-06 Thread Richard A. Johnson
On Thursday 06 December 2007, Kevin Fries wrote: | This was sent to me personally, and it has comments directed to others | in the group... Therefore, I assume it was meant for the group at large. Thanks Kevin, sorry about that. I must have hit the wrong reply button. -- Richard A. Johnson

Re: [Fwd: Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)]

2007-12-06 Thread Richard A. Johnson
RESENDING MY ORIGINAL POST TO THE LIST. This way Kevin doesn't blasted because of my comments :) On Thursday 06 December 2007, Kevin Fries wrote: [...] | If I don't get my steak the way I ordered it.  I buy my steak from | elsewhere.  Ubuntu with no users, is not anything but an exercise in |

Re: [Fwd: Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)]

2007-12-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday 06 December 2007 16:58, Richard A. Johnson wrote: Scott, I do have a problem with the document you linked to about asking smart questions. Most of the answers I have seen in there are stupid answers or stupid solutions. I was always raised with the idea that there isn't a such