Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Martin Owens
> I agree 100%. I try and keep my desktop as close to default as possible > because it makes it so much easier to test bugs. The less customization I > do, the more likely it is that it isn't my fault somehow. And besides, just > because I know how to edit config files doesn't mean I like doing it.

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Evan
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Seriously, the notion that it's OK to not care about how defaults affect > experienced users is > totally bogus. I run my Kubuntu desktop with very little customization a > really dislike the > notion that my preferenc

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sat, 17 May 2008 02:08:16 +0100 "Fergal Daly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >2008/5/16 Krzysztof Klimonda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Fergal Daly wrote: >>> 2008/5/16 A. Walton : >>> It seems from the paragraph be

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/5/16 Thomas Novin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 03:02 -0600, Conrad Knauer wrote: > >> Wouldn't it be interesting to take that a step further and have Ubuntu >> represent the best Linux apps (e.g. K3B?), regardless of widget >> dependency? If QGtkStyle (or such) could seamlessl

Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-16 Thread Szabolcs Szakacsits
Andrew Sayers pileofstuff.org> writes: > Since there wasn't an NTFS expert available during the conversation, NTFS is pretty well known and documented, especially filename handling. Windows also do allow the creation of such filenames but it's not so widely known how to do it. When most Windows

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Fergal Daly
2008/5/16 Krzysztof Klimonda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Fergal Daly wrote: >> 2008/5/16 A. Walton : >> It seems from the paragraph below that there is a way - there just >> needs to be a flame war to decide which one

Re: Soliciting opinions on #137993

2008-05-16 Thread Nicolas Valcarcel
If someone is installing mplayer-plugin (s)he knows what (s)he is doing and will have no problems with it, IMHO, so i think we can not depend on any browser and not crash anything, so i'm ok to moving the browser thing to "Recomend:". BUT i have talked to ari (the Debian Maintainer) before and i'm

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Krzysztof Klimonda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Fergal Daly wrote: > 2008/5/16 A. Walton : >> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Kai Schroeder wrote: >> Whether or not you agree with it, it's been written in the HIG for >> years and years, and it's the natural layout

Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-16 Thread Emmet Hikory
Andrew Sayers wrote: > Because there are no proper standards for Windows filesystems, there's > no common agreement about how to turn the string of bytes that make up a > FAT filename into a string of characters. For example, a Japanese > computer might look at a filesystem and assume that all the

Re: Soliciting opinions on #137993

2008-05-16 Thread Stefan Potyra
Hi, that makes it harder to read > why? >> please don't top-post *g* Am Freitag 16 Mai 2008 18:11:23 schrieb Fergal Daly: > Saying that I must install a browser to install mplayer-plugin is like > saying you I must install an MP3 player to install an mp3 library. hm... depends is there, if the p

Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-16 Thread Andrew Sayers
This e-mail summarises a discussion in #ubuntu-motu between myself, ScottK and persia. I'll first explain the general problem, then suggest a messy solution to a surprisingly messy problem. Most of these ideas are not my own, and in fact had to be explained to me at some length, so please don't a

Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday 16 May 2008 12:19, Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 08:24 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > FAT is a defacto standard for portable storage devices. > > Not true anymore, the external disks I have seen that have > 300 GB came > with NTFS. Anyway, external disks may be a differe

Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-16 Thread Mario Vukelic
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 08:24 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > FAT is a defacto standard for portable storage devices. Not true anymore, the external disks I have seen that have > 300 GB came with NTFS. Anyway, external disks may be a different topic altogether, but what about the Windows system par

Re: Soliciting opinions on #137993

2008-05-16 Thread Fergal Daly
Saying that I must install a browser to install mplayer-plugin is like saying you I must install an MP3 player to install an mp3 library. I spotted an argument that it won't be uninstalled when the last browser is uninstalled. How is that handled for libraries? F 2008/5/16 Forest Bond <[EMAIL PR

Soliciting opinions on #137993

2008-05-16 Thread Forest Bond
Hi, Please review the ticket: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mplayerplug-in/+bug/137993 The question is whether or not the mplayerplug-in package should Depend on each and every browser package that supports it. The problem with this approach, of course, is that if one such browser i

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Fergal Daly
2008/5/16 A. Walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Kai Schroeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Conrad Knauer wrote: >> In my opinion Gnome has to change the HIG first. Although I really like >> the way affirmative actions are described with a verb instead of just >> "OK" it

does ubuntu wireless network support ad hoc mode?

2008-05-16 Thread Dr. Tingrong Lu
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Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Kai Schroeder
A. Walton wrote: > On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Kai Schroeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Conrad Knauer wrote: >> >>> I was reading /. and they have an article up about "QGtkStyle" >>> http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/15/1319204 >>> >>> "A new project called QGtkS

Re: kill switch on with intel wifi 4965

2008-05-16 Thread (``-_-´´) -- Fernando
Olá Sebastian e a todos. On Friday 16 May 2008 12:54:42 Sebastian Breier wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 15.05.2008, 21:14 +0100 schrieb (``-_-´´) -- > Fernando: > > I'm sorry to bring "noise" about Hardy, on a list now meant to Intrepid, > > but unable to find how to fix this in any other way, so if

Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-16 Thread Alan Milnes
On 16/05/2008, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While NTFS is closely associated with Windows, FAT is a defacto standard > for portable storage devices. Agreed. It is not a Linux 'native' file format though. > Making and kind of O/S assumptions about FAT > is inherently incorrect.

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread A. Walton
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Kai Schroeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Conrad Knauer wrote: >> I was reading /. and they have an article up about "QGtkStyle" >> http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/15/1319204 >> >> "A new project called QGtkStyle by Trolltech Labs gives Qt4 base

Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:42:28 +0200 Milan Bouchet-Valat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... >Hope Ubuntu is more modest than you appear to see it. Serve the user, >not the ideal technology you dream of in which every character is >supported in filenames. When you're working on documents, being able to >

Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:03:02 +0100 "Alan Milnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 16/05/2008, Markus Hitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Prohibiting feature X here because it's forbidden there isn't a good idea. > >It is in this case because of Ubuntu's target population and the fact >the NTFS

Re: kill switch on with intel wifi 4965

2008-05-16 Thread Sebastian Breier
Am Donnerstag, den 15.05.2008, 21:14 +0100 schrieb (``-_-´´) -- Fernando: > I'm sorry to bring "noise" about Hardy, on a list now meant to Intrepid, but > unable to find how to fix this in any other way, so if any dev could lend me > an hand it would be great. I know this is not Ubuntu fault, but

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Kai Schroeder
Conrad Knauer wrote: > I was reading /. and they have an article up about "QGtkStyle" > http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/15/1319204 > > "A new project called QGtkStyle by Trolltech Labs gives Qt4 based > applications the possibility to integrate natively into Gtk based > desktops

Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-16 Thread Milosz Derezynski
But clearly this issue can be seen as a limitation of the FAT filesystem, just not yet imposed at the highest level of the filesystem driver (kernel or userland)? Surely ext3 *would* allow a slash in a filename (i guess?), if the userland tools would just let the filesystem driver ever receive suc

Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-16 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno ven, 16/05/2008 alle 11.42 +0200, Milan Bouchet-Valat ha scritto: > > > Hope Ubuntu is more modest than you appear to see it. Serve the user, > not the ideal technology you dream of in which every character is > supported in filenames. I keep a copy of my working files in an usb pen.

Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-16 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le vendredi 16 mai 2008 à 00:06 -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit : > On Thursday 15 May 2008 21:31, Evan wrote: > > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > I'd say that if there's a bug it's in Windows. I could see a wishlist > > > bug against Ubuntu

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le vendredi 16 mai 2008 à 11:26 +0200, Thomas Novin a écrit : > On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 03:02 -0600, Conrad Knauer wrote: > > > Wouldn't it be interesting to take that a step further and have Ubuntu > > represent the best Linux apps (e.g. K3B?), regardless of widget > > dependency? If QGtkStyle (or

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Thomas Novin
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 03:02 -0600, Conrad Knauer wrote: > Wouldn't it be interesting to take that a step further and have Ubuntu > represent the best Linux apps (e.g. K3B?), regardless of widget > dependency? If QGtkStyle (or such) could seamlessly integrate them > visually, I don't see why (beyo

Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Conrad Knauer
I was reading /. and they have an article up about "QGtkStyle" http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/15/1319204 "A new project called QGtkStyle by Trolltech Labs gives Qt4 based applications the possibility to integrate natively into Gtk based desktops like Gnome or Xfce. Instead of

Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-16 Thread Przemysław Kulczycki
Scott Kitterman pisze: Doesn't wubi install Ubuntu into an existing Windows partition? Exactly. And then Ubuntu will happily let you create files that you can't read in Windows. It's weird. It just ocurred to me that when you email files, odds are the receiver is using Windows. Perhaps all t

Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-16 Thread Przemysław Kulczycki
Scott Kitterman pisze: Doesn't wubi install Ubuntu into an existing Windows partition? AFAIK wubi installs Ubuntu into a file containing an ext3 partition. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki <<>> Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.ed

Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-16 Thread Chris Jones
Hi Evan wrote: > paths are slashes, while Windows has a considerable list (apostrophes, > asterisks, etc). The problem is that it doesn't have a list, there are multiple lists and they aren't documented. NTFS will reject some filenames, win16/win32/win64/.net/etc. will reject others (as you hav

Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-16 Thread Alan Milnes
On 16/05/2008, Markus Hitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Prohibiting feature X here because it's forbidden there isn't a good idea. It is in this case because of Ubuntu's target population and the fact the NTFS / FAT32 are not native Linux file formats. By all means allow advanced users to turn