Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

2017-12-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 22:17:09 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >I didn't read the complete Hagakure, not because I suffer from >dyslexia, but because the content of the Hagakure was much too idiotic ^^^

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

2017-12-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:31:12 +0100, Xen wrote: >I think Kohlhaas was actually pretty sympathetic ;-). Indeed, but don't confuse the way of Kohlhaas, with the way of the worrier, as described by the Hagakure, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagakure ;). You sometimes sound like somebody doing a

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

2017-12-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:31:12 +0100, Xen wrote: >I am pretty sure that if the upstream devs would have taken a more >considerate approach, businesses would actually have been willing to >fund security maintenance, since it would have cost them much less >than making the transition. See

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

2017-12-09 Thread Xen
Ralf Mardorf schreef op 09-12-2017 9:19: PS: Don't get me wrong Xen, I get your point and without doubts you are "Kohlhaas", as I'm, too. I am pretty sure that if the upstream devs would have taken a more considerate approach, businesses would actually have been willing to fund security

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

2017-12-09 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 12:47:28PM +0100, Xen wrote: > Colin Watson schreef op 09-12-2017 0:24: > > there are good reasons behind many of the changes in Python 3 > > You know, an appeal to "good reasons" is really a blanket statement that > betrays the absence of any good reasons. No, it betrays

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

2017-12-09 Thread Colin Law
On 9 December 2017 at 11:47, Xen wrote: > Colin Watson schreef op 09-12-2017 0:24: > >> there are good reasons behind many of the changes in Python 3 > > > You know, an appeal to "good reasons" is really a blanket statement that > betrays the absence of any good reasons. > >

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

2017-12-09 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, Am Samstag, den 09.12.2017, 11:38 +0100 schrieb Xen: >  > > The Ubuntu CoC states to assume good intentions on behalf of the > other. and you are aware that this applies to both sides of the conversation, right ?  ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

2017-12-09 Thread Xen
Robie Basak schreef op 08-12-2017 22:22: Because Python 2 will be unsupported upstream and we don't have an unlimited amount of resources to maintain it in Ubuntu without upstream. The more time we spend on maintaining duplicate stuff in the archive, the less time we have to spend on other

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

2017-12-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 21:22:34 +, Robie Basak wrote: >Assuming we do ship Python 2 in main in 18.04, which seems likely, you >will be able to use Python 2 in 18.04 until 2023. It's quite possible that Arch Linux (I mentioned it by a previous reply) might move python2 back to the Arch User

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

2017-12-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 08:44:06 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 23:24:52 +, Colin Watson wrote: >>In any case, there is really very little point in tilting at this >>windmill now > >Don Quixote doesn't need to worry about thinking about something >idiotic, since actually it's