Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-31 Thread Marcos Alano
Kudos for you Matthew. Fonts are a package category which need a GUI to show some preview images. On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:01 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Colin Law wrote on 26/08/17 18:21: >>… >> OK, I see where you are coming from. It never occurred to me that >>

Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-31 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
Colin Law wrote on 26/08/17 18:21: >… > OK, I see where you are coming from. It never occurred to me that > anyone wanting to install libgtk2.0-dev, or similar, would want to use > a GUI. I assumed everyone used apt for that. Obviously I am wrong. >… Fonts are a clear example of packages that

Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-27 Thread Neal McBurnett
Very helpful (and eye-opening) discussion of installation issues - thanks. Since it hasn't been mentioned yet, I'll note my favorite, the first install I make on new systems: wajig (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wajig) for command-line installs. It combines the confusing array of apt-* commands

Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 08:47:13 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >Regarding >https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1551273 >it might be, that by design it only shows apps with a GUI :p. My apologies, this bug seems to be about another software installer GUI. It seems to be an

Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2017-08-26 at 23:10 +0300, Коля Гурьев wrote: > 26.08.2017 19:16, Nrbrtx пишет: > > Let's assume that we need to install libgtk2.0-dev from gnome-software. > > How to do it? Simple search of libgtk2.0-dev produces no results (note: > > software-center finds and installs this package). Any

Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 01:04:56 +0300, Nrbrtx wrote: >I have never used auto-apt. Neither have I. I installed it just in case it should be useful some day. >In Debian Stretch it works very stable. It is pre-installed as >recommendation for Xfce, Cinnamon, MATE, LXQT, LXDE and other desktops In my

Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-26 Thread Matt Wheeler
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017, 18:21 Colin Law wrote: > OK, I see where you are coming from. It never occurred to me that > anyone wanting to install libgtk2.0-dev, or similar, would want to use > a GUI. I assumed everyone used apt for that. Obviously I am wrong. > I'd add to this

Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-26 Thread Nrbrtx
Thank you, Ralf! > To see into what packages software from upstream is >split https://tracker.debian.org/ is helpful. Helpful >is https://packages.ubuntu.com/ in combination with Google. I'm very familiar with this sites and console utilities - apt-get, apt-cache, aptitude, dpkg, apt-file

Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-26 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Nrbrtx wrote: > I discovered another great tool - Muon Package Manager. It really rocks. > I'll try to use it as Synaptic replacement. Please also try gnome-packagekit. (It installs an app named Packages). One more issue with Synaptic is that

Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-26 Thread Коля Гурьев
26.08.2017 19:16, Nrbrtx пишет: Let's assume that we need to install libgtk2.0-dev from gnome-software. How to do it? Simple search of libgtk2.0-dev produces no results (note: software-center finds and installs this package). Any other ideas? gnome-software is a toy for installing nice games

Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
PS: "auto-apt search Xlib.h" - http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Auto-apt "sudo auto-apt run ./configure" - https://www.howtogeek.com/106526/how-to-resolve-dependencies-while-compiling-software-on-ubuntu/ FWIW I only run tool update or tool upd to upgrade everything, since I wrote a

Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 21:36:36 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >http://www.debiananwenderhandbuch.de/auto-apt.html The text I found is in English, on the left there is a selection box were you could chose the language, seemingly the original link is in German. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list

Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 20:32:34 +0300, Nrbrtx wrote: >>OK, I see where you are coming from. It never occurred to me that >>anyone wanting to install libgtk2.0-dev, or similar, would want to use >>a GUI. I assumed everyone used apt for that. Obviously I am wrong. >lol :) > >In other words

Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-26 Thread Nrbrtx
>OK, I see where you are coming from. It never occurred to me that >anyone wanting to install libgtk2.0-dev, or similar, would want to use >a GUI. I assumed everyone used apt for that. Obviously I am wrong. lol :) In other words gnome-software is not a good alternative for software-center. It's

Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-26 Thread Colin Law
On 26 August 2017 at 17:16, Nrbrtx wrote: > IMHO gnome-software is too simplified and stupid as all modern GNOME. > No options (except of shortcut to software-properties-gtk), no advanced > search. > I will not use it. 63% of 88 reviews are negative. > >> It has exactly the same

Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-26 Thread Nrbrtx
IMHO gnome-software is too simplified and stupid as all modern GNOME. No options (except of shortcut to software-properties-gtk), no advanced search. I will not use it. 63% of 88 reviews are negative. > It has exactly the same set of s/w available as Synaptic does. False. Let's assume that we

Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-26 Thread Colin Law
On 24 August 2017 at 01:33, Nrbrtx wrote: > Dear Ubuntu developers! > > I'm using Debian since 3.1 and using Ubuntu since 6.06. > So let me write about installing programs. > > As far I can understand here were two methods of software installation: > 1. apt (apt-get), dpkg,

Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-26 Thread Nrbrtx
Thank you for reply, Matthew! I discovered another great tool - Muon Package Manager. It really rocks. I'll try to use it as Synaptic replacement. But please take care about aforementioned bugs. I list them again: bug 1612948: axi-cache conversion to python3 broke the script (12 users affected)

Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-24 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
Nrbrtx wrote on 24/08/17 01:33: >… > As far I can understand here were two methods of software > installation: > 1. apt (apt-get), dpkg, aptitude - for advanced users > 2. synaptic and Ubuntu software-center - for newbies. Synaptic is fine for what it is, but it is not even close to being “for

Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-23 Thread Nrbrtx
Dear Ubuntu developers! I'm using Debian since 3.1 and using Ubuntu since 6.06. So let me write about installing programs. As far I can understand here were two methods of software installation: 1. apt (apt-get), dpkg, aptitude - for advanced users 2. synaptic and Ubuntu software-center - for