Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-24 Thread Jan Claeys
Op vrijdag 16-05-2008 om 13:49 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Kai Schroeder: There is no good reason for the affirmative action being the rightmost button AFAIK this _is_ based on HI research (I guess it has something to do with the way our eye focus moves around the screen/dialog?). -- Jan

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-24 Thread Caroline Ford
2008/5/24 Jan Claeys [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Op vrijdag 16-05-2008 om 13:49 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Kai Schroeder: There is no good reason for the affirmative action being the rightmost button AFAIK this _is_ based on HI research (I guess it has something to do with the way our eye focus

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-18 Thread Fergal Daly
2008/5/18 Scott Kitterman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 18 May 2008 00:15:23 +0100 Fergal Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead you can put something into /etc/skel so that all newly created users get consistency and old-timers get left as they were, Us old timers sometimes buy new hardware and

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-18 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/5/18 Matthew Paul Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just for the record, no, that's not the reason Firefox does it. http://www.squarefree.com/2004/07/01/race-conditions-in-security-dialogs/ Thank you, that was very interesting and informative. I had no idea that those attack vectors existed.

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
2008/5/18 Scott Kitterman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 18 May 2008 00:15:23 +0100 Fergal Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead you can put something into /etc/skel so that all newly created users get consistency and old-timers get left as they were, Us old timers sometimes buy new hardware and

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-17 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 22:24 +0200, Krzysztof Klimonda wrote: Unless KDE and GNOME developers agree to create common HIG there is no way to create consistent desktop by using K* and G* applications simultaneously. And if someone wonder if consistency is worth all the effort look at the Mac OS

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-17 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 02:08 +0100, Fergal Daly wrote: I do think that the world breaks down into 1 people who will only ever use g... or k... and are thus unaffected by this 2 people who want to use the best tool for the job, of which we have 2a people who know how to tweak .rc files to make

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-17 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/5/18 Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Do people actually memorize things as click on the button on the right? Really? I don't think so. I've never heard directions be given like that. It's always Click OK. Yes. These are the ones who install Gator and Buddy and all other sorts of

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-17 Thread Fergal Daly
2008/5/16 Krzysztof Klimonda [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It seems from the paragraph below that there is a way - there just needs to be a flame war to decide which one to twiddle by default for those who don't care, That's exactly the problem - no

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-17 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/5/18 Fergal Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's exactly the problem - no matter what decision is made the half of the users (those more aware who has used linux for years, who should be precious for any distribution as it's them who advocacy for Ubuntu and Linux in general) will be pissed off.

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-17 Thread Joel Bryan Juliano
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Conrad Knauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was reading /. and they have an article up about QGtkStyle http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/15/1319204 A new project called QGtkStyle by Trolltech Labs gives Qt4 based applications the possibility to

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-17 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sun, 18 May 2008 00:15:23 +0100 Fergal Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/16 Krzysztof Klimonda [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It seems from the paragraph below that there is a way - there just needs to be a flame war to decide which one to twiddle by

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-17 Thread A. Walton
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/18 Fergal Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's the Gnome way: make decisions for the users, assuming that what the dev wants is exactly what the user wants. The KDE way would be to make it konfigurable, where the user can

Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Conrad Knauer
I was reading /. and they have an article up about QGtkStyle http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/15/1319204 A new project called QGtkStyle by Trolltech Labs gives Qt4 based applications the possibility to integrate natively into Gtk based desktops like Gnome or Xfce. Instead of

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le vendredi 16 mai 2008 à 11:26 +0200, Thomas Novin a écrit : On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 03:02 -0600, Conrad Knauer wrote: Wouldn't it be interesting to take that a step further and have Ubuntu represent the best Linux apps (e.g. K3B?), regardless of widget dependency? If QGtkStyle (or such)

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Thomas Novin
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 03:02 -0600, Conrad Knauer wrote: Wouldn't it be interesting to take that a step further and have Ubuntu represent the best Linux apps (e.g. K3B?), regardless of widget dependency? If QGtkStyle (or such) could seamlessly integrate them visually, I don't see why (beyond

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Kai Schroeder
Conrad Knauer wrote: I was reading /. and they have an article up about QGtkStyle http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/15/1319204 A new project called QGtkStyle by Trolltech Labs gives Qt4 based applications the possibility to integrate natively into Gtk based desktops like

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread A. Walton
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Kai Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conrad Knauer wrote: I was reading /. and they have an article up about QGtkStyle http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/15/1319204 A new project called QGtkStyle by Trolltech Labs gives Qt4 based

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Kai Schroeder
A. Walton wrote: On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Kai Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conrad Knauer wrote: I was reading /. and they have an article up about QGtkStyle http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/15/1319204 A new project called QGtkStyle by Trolltech Labs

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Fergal Daly
2008/5/16 A. Walton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Kai Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conrad Knauer wrote: In my opinion Gnome has to change the HIG first. Although I really like the way affirmative actions are described with a verb instead of just OK it was not a

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Krzysztof Klimonda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Fergal Daly wrote: 2008/5/16 A. Walton : On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Kai Schroeder wrote: Whether or not you agree with it, it's been written in the HIG for years and years, and it's the natural layout for

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Fergal Daly
2008/5/16 Krzysztof Klimonda [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Fergal Daly wrote: 2008/5/16 A. Walton : It seems from the paragraph below that there is a way - there just needs to be a flame war to decide which one to twiddle

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sat, 17 May 2008 02:08:16 +0100 Fergal Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/16 Krzysztof Klimonda [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Fergal Daly wrote: 2008/5/16 A. Walton : It seems from the paragraph below that there is a

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Evan
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Scott Kitterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously, the notion that it's OK to not care about how defaults affect experienced users is totally bogus. I run my Kubuntu desktop with very little customization a really dislike the notion that my preferences

Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?

2008-05-16 Thread Martin Owens
I agree 100%. I try and keep my desktop as close to default as possible because it makes it so much easier to test bugs. The less customization I do, the more likely it is that it isn't my fault somehow. And besides, just because I know how to edit config files doesn't mean I like doing it.