Colin Law schreef op 08-10-2016 18:29:
On 8 October 2016 at 17:21, Xen wrote:
Ralf Mardorf schreef op 06-10-2016 12:42:
Just a very laste note.
On Wed, 2016-10-05 at 22:29 +0200, Xen wrote:
>> In Windows
Yes you conveniently break off my statement but (I had to look for
it)
it was about something that has *nothing* to do with security as it
dealth with network shares.
Yes, you mentioned Windows allows to do this and that, but Linux
doesn't, so I pointed out, that Windows is insecure and Linux isn't.
I
assume causality. There are reasons that Linux does work different to
Windows.
And so whenever Linux can't do something, it is for security? Don't
make me
laugh.
I think there is a difference between *can't* meaning is not able to
and *won't allow* meaning there is something specifically stopping
that from happening. The *won't allow* features are generally for
security reasons.
A root user also cannot do the things just mentioned.
The required software does not exist, for the most part.
There are also no security considerations whatsoever pertaining to the
local system regarding the mounting of remote network shares on a user
supplied home directory or equivalent. It is utter bull. You can make
such generalized statements all you want but I hear nothing that
actually addresses the topic. The infrastructure to do these things
easily does not exist, not even if you supply a root or sudo password.
That is simple fact. There are many things you can do after supplying a
root or sudo password, including wiping the filesystem clean, and these
are also not prevented for 'security reasons'.
We are 2016 and we still cannot mount samba shares easily. And when you
mention this everyone that doesn't matter tries to wiggle out from under
your gaze and pretends there are very good reasons why this is so.
I wish people would just stop lying about Linux so some actual work
could actually be done. Every problem that is not acknowledged is also
not solved. And what do we solve instead? Non-problems for the most
part.
Because non-problems won't offend anyone if they are being addressed. No
one's ego is harmed when you don't say something is wrong. Or not wrong,
whatever you want. You will find "improvements" left and right that are
actually detrimental and nothing much is advancing. The services we have
today cannot really do more than those of the past. SystemD makes stuff
easier but previously this functionality did also exist. Hacking around
Linux was a lot easier in the past, I believe. Don't count my word for
everthing but complexity has gone up, not down. Unity is not really a
great success from my point of view and it is worse than Cinnamon that
has much less resources to go at it. Cinnamon in the meantime also makes
improvements that are detriments, such as reversing all "yes/no" buttons
and "okay/cancel" buttons in their order, which just messes up your mind
completely.
KDE does everything but the right thing and of all the window-switchers
none suffices. Until you edit the "large icons" theme so it becomes the
"medium icons" theme and suddenly you have something that is actually
pleasing to use. Why they supply big icons (that are too large) and
small icons (that are too small) but no medium icons in between (that
would actually work) is beyond me.
Constantly trying to invent new stuff when it is not necessary.
Constantly trying to be "different" from the main protagonists but there
is no reason to. Cinnamon does so well regardless because many choices
are just obvious: Cinnamon /does/ have a medium icon Window Switcher
that just works.
Something that doesn't require any configuration and works out of the
box in a nice style. Why people constantly try to come up with new ideas
that then subsequently do not even work, is beyond me. Just in order to
be different... Just so you can claim you are "not windows"? I don't
know...
Windows makes it convenient, so you make it inconvenient.
Windows makes it insecure, so you make it secure.
Everything in response to something else, reactionary.
There is not actually a reason to base yourself on something else, you
can take yourself as your own point of reference and only try to be
better than what you were before. You can simply create what you want
and do not have to look at something else to claim you don't want to be
that.
I must say I applaud Ubuntu selling paid apps though and I think that is
something Linux needs. And pardon this bad writing, once more.
Regards.
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