Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-07 Thread Didier Roche
Le 07/11/2012 17:16, J Fernyhough a écrit : On 7 November 2012 15:23, Colin Watson wrote: On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 03:28:44PM +, J Fernyhough wrote: I'm currently looking into how Ubuntu meets the provisions of the Data Protection Act 1998, and more crucially what would need to be done to m

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-07 Thread J Fernyhough
On 7 November 2012 15:23, Colin Watson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 03:28:44PM +, J Fernyhough wrote: >> I'm currently looking into how Ubuntu meets the provisions of the Data >> Protection Act 1998, and more crucially what would need to be done to >> meet the requirements, so that I have

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-07 Thread J Fernyhough
On 5 November 2012 15:35, Martin Albisetti wrote: > On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 12:28 PM, J Fernyhough wrote: >> (As an aside, it appears that being only enthusiastic >> about Ubuntu and all decisions, or at least getting in line, is a >> requisite for employment there.) > > It is not. > On 7 November

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 03:28:44PM +, J Fernyhough wrote: > I'm currently looking into how Ubuntu meets the provisions of the Data > Protection Act 1998, and more crucially what would need to be done to > meet the requirements, so that I have some base of evidence and legal > reasoning to put f

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-07 Thread Aurélien Naldi
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 4:28 PM, C de-Avillez wrote: > On 05/11/12 09:08, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > > This is from my perspective though > > and I have not really followed all too closely since I am the type of > > person to remove what I don't want and block stuff like Canonical's > > NTP and other

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-06 Thread C de-Avillez
On 05/11/12 09:08, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > This is from my perspective though > and I have not really followed all too closely since I am the type of > person to remove what I don't want and block stuff like Canonical's > NTP and other tracking via our hardware firewalls instead of > complaining ab

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, November 05, 2012 02:27:06 PM Rodney Dawes wrote: > On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 13:58 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > I don't know if it's been done before or not, but perhaps the Release > > > Team, and Tech Board, should take up any concerns related to some of the > > > Canonical project

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-05 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 13:58 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > I don't know if it's been done before or not, but perhaps the Release > > Team, and Tech Board, should take up any concerns related to some of the > > Canonical projects' involvement in that process, with the appropriate > > members of C

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, November 05, 2012 01:19:51 PM Rodney Dawes wrote: > On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 12:11 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Monday, November 05, 2012 11:53:03 AM Rodney Dawes wrote: > > ... > > > > > There were large changes to address some specific user concerns around > > > the dash search,

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, November 05, 2012 08:32:35 AM Benjamin Kerensa wrote: > > Or is it the case that nobody bothered to file a blueprint? Bear in mind > > that anybody in the community can create blueprints for UDS, not just > > Canonical. > > Anyone can create one but Canonical does approve them. There a

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, November 05, 2012 12:14:51 PM Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On 5 November 2012 11:53, Rodney Dawes wrote: > > There were large changes to address some specific user concerns around > > the dash search, that went in *after* various freezes were in effect. > > One example is http://pad.lv/106565

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-05 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 5 November 2012 13:19, Rodney Dawes wrote: > I don't know if it's been done before or not, but perhaps the Release > Team, and Tech Board, should take up any concerns related to some of the > Canonical projects' involvement in that process, with the appropriate > members of Canonical staff, inc

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-05 Thread Chris Johnston
On 11/05/2012 11:32 AM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2012 7:53 AM, "Bruno Girin" > >> Or is it the case that nobody bothered to file a blueprint? Bear in mind >> that *anybody* in the community can create blueprints for UDS, not just >> Canonical. > > Anyone can create one but Canonical

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-05 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 12:11 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Monday, November 05, 2012 11:53:03 AM Rodney Dawes wrote: > ... > > There were large changes to address some specific user concerns around > > the dash search, that went in after various freezes were in effect. > ... > That's also true

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-05 Thread Didier Roche
Le 05/11/2012 18:14, Jeremy Bicha a écrit : On 5 November 2012 11:53, Rodney Dawes wrote: There were large changes to address some specific user concerns around the dash search, that went in *after* various freezes were in effect. One example is http://pad.lv/1065652 which while obviously a us

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-05 Thread Jordon Bedwell
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > One example is http://pad.lv/1065652 which while obviously a user > interface change, happened after Final Freeze without the typical > paperwork; presumably because it was *that* critical to mitigate the > privacy concerns. I think you are s

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-05 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 5 November 2012 11:53, Rodney Dawes wrote: > There were large changes to address some specific user concerns around > the dash search, that went in *after* various freezes were in effect. One example is http://pad.lv/1065652 which while obviously a user interface change, happened after Final F

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, November 05, 2012 11:53:03 AM Rodney Dawes wrote: ... > There were large changes to address some specific user concerns around > the dash search, that went in after various freezes were in effect. ... That's also true of the shopping bits of dash search itself, so without time travel, h

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-05 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 15:52 +, Bruno Girin wrote: > It's a couple of weeks late for UDS-R but what about creating a > blueprint for UDS-S? Get the discussion going, gather examples of > privacy issues and what could be done to address them. Then at the next > UDS, we can work out solutions that

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-05 Thread Benjamin Kerensa
On Nov 5, 2012 7:53 AM, "Bruno Girin" wrote: > > On 05/11/12 15:08, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > >> We've just had the Ubuntu Developer Summit during which the next release > >> was planned, and everyone was welcome (both in person and online). I > >> must have missed the session on privacy, or did nob

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-05 Thread Bruno Girin
On 05/11/12 15:08, Jordon Bedwell wrote: >> We've just had the Ubuntu Developer Summit during which the next release >> was planned, and everyone was welcome (both in person and online). I >> must have missed the session on privacy, or did nobody propose one? > I don't think there was one, I think

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-05 Thread Martin Albisetti
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 12:28 PM, J Fernyhough wrote: > (As an aside, it appears that being only enthusiastic > about Ubuntu and all decisions, or at least getting in line, is a > requisite for employment there.) It is not. -- Martin -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@l

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-05 Thread J Fernyhough
On 5 November 2012 15:08, Jordon Bedwell wrote: -- snip -- > > I think what Canonical and Ubuntu are doing is alienating old Linux > users who are used to telling their computers what to do, not having > their computer tell them what they are going to do and then them > having to step up and almos

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-05 Thread Jordon Bedwell
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Robie Basak wrote: > Forks happen when people disagree. Is there really any disagreement > here? Have any privacy-related patches actually been rejected, or is it > just that nobody has written them? Patches being rejected are a bit narrow, when the Canonical lead

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-11-05 Thread Robie Basak
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 09:45:59AM -0300, German Larrain M. wrote: > Well, issues like this > are the ones that motivate a fork (e.g. OpenOffice and LibreOffice) at one > time or another. Is it necessary to reach that point? I don't think so. It

Re: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users

2012-10-30 Thread German Larrain M.
d countless times in arguments with "anti-OSS people". Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 00:03:13 -0400 > From: nick rundy > To: "ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com" > > Subject: EFF & Privacy; hopefully Ubuntu will listen to users? > Message-ID: > Con