Re: Ubuntu LTS20.04 - wireguard package
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:35 PM Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 8:36 AM Dan Streetman wrote: > > ... > > > Fedora has a 6 month release cycle. Each version you are on has the > > > latest releases of its packages and gets full updates. And in 6 months > > > you move onto the next stable version. At the 6 month release in the > > > life cycle, you simply run dnf-system-upgrade [1] and you are on the > > > next version of Fedora. dnf-system-upgrade is a lot like a Ubuntu > > > dist-upgrade. > > > > Just to clarify, what you are describing about Fedora is EXACTLY the > > same for Ubuntu...6 month release cycle, latest packages in each > > release, full updates (for at least 9 months), upgrade with a single > > command at each 6 month release. The 'dnf-system-upgrade' sounds more > > like the 'do-release-upgrade' command, not 'apt dist-upgrade' (though > > both are similar). > > Yes, you're right. do-release-upgrade looks like the similar command. > > Do you know if do-release-upgrade will move from one LTS version to > another? I usually select Ubuntu LTS when I want long term stability, > like over 3 or 5 years. In fact, my main desktop machine is Ubuntu > 18.04 LTS. Yes, the /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades file contains a 'Prompt' setting that controls if do-release-upgrade will upgrade to the next LTS release or the next 'normal' release. This blog post has some more detailed info; though the post is obviously almost 2 years old, I think it's all still relevant/correct: https://ubuntu.com/blog/how-to-upgrade-from-ubuntu-18-04-lts-to-20-04-lts-today > > Fedora does not really offer long term stability. Fedora is more > suited for the latest stable release every 6 months. Select it when > you want as close to the bleeding edge as possible while staying > stable. > > Jeff -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu LTS20.04 - wireguard package
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 8:36 AM Dan Streetman wrote: > ... > > Fedora has a 6 month release cycle. Each version you are on has the > > latest releases of its packages and gets full updates. And in 6 months > > you move onto the next stable version. At the 6 month release in the > > life cycle, you simply run dnf-system-upgrade [1] and you are on the > > next version of Fedora. dnf-system-upgrade is a lot like a Ubuntu > > dist-upgrade. > > Just to clarify, what you are describing about Fedora is EXACTLY the > same for Ubuntu...6 month release cycle, latest packages in each > release, full updates (for at least 9 months), upgrade with a single > command at each 6 month release. The 'dnf-system-upgrade' sounds more > like the 'do-release-upgrade' command, not 'apt dist-upgrade' (though > both are similar). Yes, you're right. do-release-upgrade looks like the similar command. Do you know if do-release-upgrade will move from one LTS version to another? I usually select Ubuntu LTS when I want long term stability, like over 3 or 5 years. In fact, my main desktop machine is Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. Fedora does not really offer long term stability. Fedora is more suited for the latest stable release every 6 months. Select it when you want as close to the bleeding edge as possible while staying stable. Jeff -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu LTS20.04 - wireguard package
On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 6:17 PM Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 2:02 PM Filip Menke wrote: > > > > Is there a reason why the wireguard package is outdated and no updates are > > available through the standard update process(apt-get update / upgrade)? > > > > Users must update the package manually and from a security perspective a > > VPN server should be always up to date otherwise the system could be > > vulnerable.. > > Related, if you want the latest version of a package like Wireguard > (or GCC, or Python, or Perl, ...), then you might want to look at > Fedora. > > Fedora has a 6 month release cycle. Each version you are on has the > latest releases of its packages and gets full updates. And in 6 months > you move onto the next stable version. At the 6 month release in the > life cycle, you simply run dnf-system-upgrade [1] and you are on the > next version of Fedora. dnf-system-upgrade is a lot like a Ubuntu > dist-upgrade. Just to clarify, what you are describing about Fedora is EXACTLY the same for Ubuntu...6 month release cycle, latest packages in each release, full updates (for at least 9 months), upgrade with a single command at each 6 month release. The 'dnf-system-upgrade' sounds more like the 'do-release-upgrade' command, not 'apt dist-upgrade' (though both are similar). > > I really like Fedora's model, the use of SELinux in enforcing mode, > and Fedora's desire to provide the latest versions of software. In > fact, I run Fedora Workstations to test the latest GCC compilers, and > Fedora Servers when I need a web server. > > I no longer bother with CentOS or Red Hat servers. I can't stand that > antique software that makes you use Software Collections (SCL) to get > something semi-modern. I gave up on CentOS and Red Hat servers when > trying to get Mediawiki running on them. CentOS and Red Hat servers > with their old software was just too much work. > > I also use Ubuntu workstations and servers. But every now and again > you want the latest software for a server, and that's when you want to > consider Fedora. > > [1] https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/dnf-system-upgrade/ > > Jeff > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu LTS20.04 - wireguard package
On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 2:02 PM Filip Menke wrote: > > Is there a reason why the wireguard package is outdated and no updates are > available through the standard update process(apt-get update / upgrade)? > > Users must update the package manually and from a security perspective a VPN > server should be always up to date otherwise the system could be vulnerable.. Related, if you want the latest version of a package like Wireguard (or GCC, or Python, or Perl, ...), then you might want to look at Fedora. Fedora has a 6 month release cycle. Each version you are on has the latest releases of its packages and gets full updates. And in 6 months you move onto the next stable version. At the 6 month release in the life cycle, you simply run dnf-system-upgrade [1] and you are on the next version of Fedora. dnf-system-upgrade is a lot like a Ubuntu dist-upgrade. I really like Fedora's model, the use of SELinux in enforcing mode, and Fedora's desire to provide the latest versions of software. In fact, I run Fedora Workstations to test the latest GCC compilers, and Fedora Servers when I need a web server. I no longer bother with CentOS or Red Hat servers. I can't stand that antique software that makes you use Software Collections (SCL) to get something semi-modern. I gave up on CentOS and Red Hat servers when trying to get Mediawiki running on them. CentOS and Red Hat servers with their old software was just too much work. I also use Ubuntu workstations and servers. But every now and again you want the latest software for a server, and that's when you want to consider Fedora. [1] https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/dnf-system-upgrade/ Jeff -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu LTS20.04 - wireguard package
On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 09:25:44AM +0100, Filip Menke wrote: > Is there a reason why the wireguard package is outdated and no updates are > available through the standard update process(apt-get update / upgrade)? Updates to packages in stable releases in Ubuntu are only made under special circumstances. That's the point of a stable release, and what we mean by "stable". We do release Ubuntu with many packages updated every six months. By choosing to stay on an older release, you're making the choice not to take those updates. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for details of the policy. If there's some specific reason you think that wireguard needs updating, then this documentation should help you to state your case. But the norm is that we don't just "automatically" update packages in stable releases. > Users must update the package manually and from a security perspective a VPN > server should be always up to date otherwise the system could be vulnerable.. We have a separate security update process to fix security vulnerabilities. There are currently no known outstanding security vulnerabilities in wireguard: https://ubuntu.com/security/cve?q==wireguard=== Hope that helps, Robie signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Ubuntu LTS20.04 - wireguard package
Hello Team, I have a short question and I hope you guys are the correct persons to answer it: Is there a reason why the wireguard package is outdated and no updates are available through the standard update process(apt-get update / upgrade)? Users must update the package manually and from a security perspective a VPN server should be always up to date otherwise the system could be vulnerable.. Many thanks filip Gesendet von Mail für Windows -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
