Re: Moblin and Gnome
* Spencer, Bob | Lastly, perhaps we could agree on some standards for branching existing | projects. For example #ifdef tag, for code, Makefile.am, | configure.in, etc. Then we could easily go to a project and find | where/if someone else had added mobile-device-specific changes. | | tag = MID or UME or HILDON or MOBILE | (My vote is MID) In the style of autoconf, I suggest we use #ifdef USE_HILDON -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
RE: Moblin and Gnome
Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * Spencer, Bob Lastly, perhaps we could agree on some standards for branching existing projects. For example #ifdef tag, for code, Makefile.am, configure.in, etc. Then we could easily go to a project and find where/if someone else had added mobile-device-specific changes. tag = MID or UME or HILDON or MOBILE (My vote is MID) In the style of autoconf, I suggest we use #ifdef USE_HILDON -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are Sounds good to me. Bob -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Moblin and Gnome
Ola In the style of autoconf, I suggest we use #ifdef USE_HILDON maemo uses #ifdef MAEMO_CHANGES maybe keeping compatible with this could be 'a good thing' []'s Ian -- http://ianlawrence.info -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Moblin and Gnome
On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 02:36:04PM -0400, Pat McGowan wrote: When custom versions of gnome based components are created, is it the intention to manage these as patches upstream in gnome, for example in the gnome mobile project? If not, what is the plan to sync these customizations with upstream changes? As far as development in Ubuntu goes, our intention is to merge upstream anything which can be reasonably generalized. Regarding the Moblin components derived from GNOME, I believe Todd Brandt is the person to ask about their plans. Hopefully the changes can be merged upstream (maybe with a --with-hildon configure option or similar). -- - mdz -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Moblin and Gnome
I believe for Network Admin and Date/Time settings, Todd was planning on providing a patch to gnome-system-tools for the UI changes necessary for running in the hildon environment. But I'm not sure about all of the other control panel applets. Todd, does it make sense to do this for all the control-panel applets so that it's easier to stay in sync with upstream, rather than forking and having the code live in moblin? On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 02:36:04PM -0400, Pat McGowan wrote: When custom versions of gnome based components are created, is it the intention to manage these as patches upstream in gnome, for example in the gnome mobile project? If not, what is the plan to sync these customizations with upstream changes? As far as development in Ubuntu goes, our intention is to merge upstream anything which can be reasonably generalized. Regarding the Moblin components derived from GNOME, I believe Todd Brandt is the person to ask about their plans. Hopefully the changes can be merged upstream (maybe with a --with-hildon configure option or similar). -- - mdz -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/ listinfo/ubuntu-mobile -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
RE: Moblin and Gnome
Bill Filler wrote: I believe for Network Admin and Date/Time settings, Todd was planning on providing a patch to gnome-system-tools for the UI changes necessary for running in the hildon environment. But I'm not sure about all of the other control panel applets. Todd, does it make sense to do this for all the control-panel applets so that it's easier to stay in sync with upstream, rather than forking and having the code live in moblin? In the short term the UI changes are minimal while we get our feet on the ground, but eventually there might be radical changes. For example, the standard Linux keyboard configuration tool might have 40 options today while a simplified MID UI might only expose 5. In another world, I looked at Claws for the first time with the new LPIA build. It is so cluttered with controls and menus that it makes my MID feel very small. I agree with Matt that we should always attempt to push changes upstream. Non-UI changes seem like a no-brainer. In time upstream component owners might have to decide if they want to support a Hildon-esque UI in addition to their standard UI which could be more than a few #define's. Lastly, perhaps we could agree on some standards for branching existing projects. For example #ifdef tag, for code, Makefile.am, configure.in, etc. Then we could easily go to a project and find where/if someone else had added mobile-device-specific changes. tag = MID or UME or HILDON or MOBILE (My vote is MID) Bob On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 02:36:04PM -0400, Pat McGowan wrote: When custom versions of gnome based components are created, is it the intention to manage these as patches upstream in gnome, for example in the gnome mobile project? If not, what is the plan to sync these customizations with upstream changes? As far as development in Ubuntu goes, our intention is to merge upstream anything which can be reasonably generalized. Regarding the Moblin components derived from GNOME, I believe Todd Brandt is the person to ask about their plans. Hopefully the changes can be merged upstream (maybe with a --with-hildon configure option or similar). -- - mdz -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/ listinfo/ubuntu-mobile -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Moblin and Gnome
I agree with Matt that we should always attempt to push changes upstream. Non-UI changes seem like a no-brainer. In time upstream component owners might have to decide if they want to support a Hildon-esque UI in addition to their standard UI which could be more than a few #define's. I would think (hope) in the case of GNOME, they would be very interested in the hildonized mobile ui for some of their components, as they have commited to support GNOME Mobile http:// www.gnome.org/mobile/. That project looks like it's still very early stage, but we should certainly coordinate with them as it sounds like it's inline with our vision. Lastly, perhaps we could agree on some standards for branching existing projects. For example #ifdef tag, for code, Makefile.am, configure.in, etc. Then we could easily go to a project and find where/if someone else had added mobile-device-specific changes. tag = MID or UME or HILDON or MOBILE (My vote is MID) Bob I agree. Maybe you guys could post on the GNOME mobile list (mobile- [EMAIL PROTECTED]) to propose some of these ideas. -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Moblin and Gnome
When custom versions of gnome based components are created, is it the intention to manage these as patches upstream in gnome, for example in the gnome mobile project? If not, what is the plan to sync these customizations with upstream changes? If so, should they not be named something like gnome-mobile-widget rather than moblin-widget? Any updates on the general status of Hildon going into gnome? Pat -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
