Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 21.09.16

[Lukasz Zemczak]

Hello Matthias!

It was indeed a strange design decision with the update notification
only arriving when the new image is downloaded. But as Jonas already
mentioned, this should not be the case in OTA-13 and later. The new
ubuntu-system-settings update panel (available in OTA-13) now notifies
of a new update available and allows downloading it regardless of the
auto-download setting. This is much more intuitive.

Cheers,


On 26 September 2016 at 17:24, Matthias Apitz  wrote:
> El día Monday, September 26, 2016 a las 05:29:27PM +0300, Nikos 
> Chatziioakimidis escribió:
>
>> On Δευτέρα, 26 Σεπτεμβρίου 2016 2:15:31 Μ.Μ. EEST, Matthias Apitz
>>  wrote:
>> >El día Monday, September 26, 2016 a las 11:45:47AM +0200, Lukasz
>> >Zemczak escribió:
>> >
>> >>Hey!
>> >>
>> >>So as for update deployment it's as Rodney already said. By saying
>> >>'update fully deployed' this does not mean 'all users now upgraded to
>> >>the new version'. I simply meant by this that the update is now fully
>> >>phased and is available for everyone to update. ...
>> >
>> >For me "version xyz is deployed", means that it is delivered to all
>> >targets, regardless of installed or not, i.e. at least downloaded by
>> >all.
>> >
>> >And having switched off "auto download if not on Wifi", or even if on
>> >Wifi, should not avoid the notice about the availability of OTA-xyz for me
>> >in the phased deployment.
>> >
>> > matthias
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I think you get a notification when the image is downloaded and not
>> when the image is available on the server.
>
> I have switched off auto download, even on Wifi (i.e. set to "Never")
> and I got no information (which I call a bug).
>
> matthias
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 21.09.16

[Nikos Chatziioakimidis]

On Δευτέρα, 26 Σεπτεμβρίου 2016 2:15:31 Μ.Μ. EEST, Matthias Apitz 
 wrote:
El día Monday, September 26, 2016 a las 11:45:47AM +0200, 
Lukasz Zemczak escribió:



Hey!

So as for update deployment it's as Rodney already said. By saying
'update fully deployed' this does not mean 'all users now upgraded to
the new version'. I simply meant by this that the update is now fully
phased and is available for everyone to update. ...


For me "version xyz is deployed", means that it is delivered to all
targets, regardless of installed or not, i.e. at least downloaded by
all. 


And having switched off "auto download if not on Wifi", or even if on
Wifi, should not avoid the notice about the availability of OTA-xyz for me
in the phased deployment.

matthias




I think you get a notification when the image is downloaded and not when 
the image is available on the server.



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 21.09.16

[Matthias Apitz]

El d�a Monday, September 26, 2016 a las 05:29:27PM +0300, Nikos 
Chatziioakimidis escribi�:

> On Δευτέρα, 26 Σεπτεμβρίου 2016 2:15:31 Μ.Μ. EEST, Matthias Apitz
>  wrote:
> >El día Monday, September 26, 2016 a las 11:45:47AM +0200, Lukasz
> >Zemczak escribió:
> >
> >>Hey!
> >>
> >>So as for update deployment it's as Rodney already said. By saying
> >>'update fully deployed' this does not mean 'all users now upgraded to
> >>the new version'. I simply meant by this that the update is now fully
> >>phased and is available for everyone to update. ...
> >
> >For me "version xyz is deployed", means that it is delivered to all
> >targets, regardless of installed or not, i.e. at least downloaded by
> >all.
> >
> >And having switched off "auto download if not on Wifi", or even if on
> >Wifi, should not avoid the notice about the availability of OTA-xyz for me
> >in the phased deployment.
> >
> > matthias
> >
> >
> 
> I think you get a notification when the image is downloaded and not
> when the image is available on the server.

I have switched off auto download, even on Wifi (i.e. set to "Never")
and I got no information (which I call a bug).

matthias

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 21.09.16

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Monday, September 26, 2016 a las 11:45:47AM +0200, Lukasz Zemczak 
escribió:

> Hey!
> 
> So as for update deployment it's as Rodney already said. By saying
> 'update fully deployed' this does not mean 'all users now upgraded to
> the new version'. I simply meant by this that the update is now fully
> phased and is available for everyone to update. ...

For me "version xyz is deployed", means that it is delivered to all
targets, regardless of installed or not, i.e. at least downloaded by
all. 

And having switched off "auto download if not on Wifi", or even if on
Wifi, should not avoid the notice about the availability of OTA-xyz for me
in the phased deployment.

matthias


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 21.09.16

[Jonas Drange]

On 24 September 2016 at 20:25, Rodney Dawes 
wrote:

> I would agree this is slightly odd, and could be considered a usability
> bug. I'm not sure if a bug is already open about this or not.
>

Yes, the old update panel (in < OTA13) acted weirdly for me, when on a
cellular network. I think it even hid a pending image update from the UI.
That should not happen post OTA13; if there's a pending update, we download
it automatically if you request it. If not, you'll always have the option
to download it from the System Settings UI.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 21.09.16

[Lukasz Zemczak]

Hey!

So as for update deployment it's as Rodney already said. By saying
'update fully deployed' this does not mean 'all users now upgraded to
the new version'. I simply meant by this that the update is now fully
phased and is available for everyone to update. With each release we
do this phased upgrade procedure where the update is deployed in
phases only to certain theoretical percentages of users as a
safe-measure - since if there's a critical bug we missed, this way if
we act early enough the number of affected devices will be
considerably lower. After the percentage reaches 100%, the update is
finalized.

Anyway, hope it's all clear now.

Cheers!


On 24 September 2016 at 20:25, Rodney Dawes  wrote:
> On Sat, 2016-09-24 at 20:07 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
>> 1. Why the announcement of OTA-13 available is not coming down also
>> via data
>> mobile?
>
> It does, sort of. The push notification from the server is not what
> results in the notification being shown on the screen. The push
> notification for system updates results in the new update being
> downloaded, and then the notification is shown once the download is
> complete. If a device is configured to only automatically download the
> updates on wifi, then the notification won't appear when on cellular
> data, because the updated image cannot be downloaded.
>
> I would agree this is slightly odd, and could be considered a usability
> bug. I'm not sure if a bug is already open about this or not.
>
>> 2. How you (Lukasz or Canonical) measure the percentage or fully
>> deployment? At least one device was not updated over on September,
>> 21.
>
> This is a server configuration thing. Access to updates is phased (by
> region I think, not 100% sure on that), and once all regions are
> enabled to access the update, it is considered "fully deployed."



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 21.09.16

[Rodney Dawes]

On Sat, 2016-09-24 at 20:07 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> 1. Why the announcement of OTA-13 available is not coming down also
> via data
> mobile?

It does, sort of. The push notification from the server is not what
results in the notification being shown on the screen. The push
notification for system updates results in the new update being
downloaded, and then the notification is shown once the download is
complete. If a device is configured to only automatically download the
updates on wifi, then the notification won't appear when on cellular
data, because the updated image cannot be downloaded.

I would agree this is slightly odd, and could be considered a usability
bug. I'm not sure if a bug is already open about this or not.

> 2. How you (Lukasz or Canonical) measure the percentage or fully
> deployment? At least one device was not updated over on September,
> 21.

This is a server configuration thing. Access to updates is phased (by
region I think, not 100% sure on that), and once all regions are
enabled to access the update, it is considered "fully deployed."


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 21.09.16

[Matthias Apitz]

Hello,

Lukasz said in the daily Landing team message on September, 21:

"...
Oh, and OTA-13 is now fully deployed (since a longer time even).
Please be sure to fill in bugs for issues you notice on the respective
Launchpad projects..."

Yesterday evening, around 10pm CEST, I helped some user of a BQ E4.5 to
update from OTA-12 to OTA-13. The problem was, that for having Wifi off
she was not even announced of the deployment of OTA-13. This let me ask
two questions:

1. Why the announcement of OTA-13 available is not coming down also via data
mobile?
2. How you (Lukasz or Canonical) measure the percentage or fully
deployment? At least one device was not updated over on September, 21.

Thanks

matthias
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[Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 21.09.16

[Lukasz Zemczak]

Hello everyone,

Another rather quiet day in the landing world. Today we only had a new
dbus-test-runner with tweaks (for automated testing),
unity-scope-click with packaging changes, pay-service library
versioning fix and a new touch meta package adding address-book-loader
to the seeds as it will be no longer pulled in as a dependency.

The current main focus of many developers is getting the whole unity8
stack from universe to main [1] in the yakkety archives. Since long
this was a big issue that will now finally be addressed. In practice
this does not change much for end-users, but this way we'll be
ensuring that all these packages get the right attention and
maintenance that they deserve.

Oh, and OTA-13 is now fully deployed (since a longer time even).
Please be sure to fill in bugs for issues you notice on the respective
Launchpad projects [2].

[1] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[2] http://bugs.launchpad.net/


* What landed in our images:
http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch

#433 rc-proposed/krillin
- 
http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en/krillin/433.commitlog

#427 rc-proposed/vegetahd
- 
http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en/vegetahd/427.commitlog

#425 rc-proposed/arale
- 
http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en/arale/425.commitlog

#193 rc-proposed/frieza
- 
http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris-pd.en/frieza/193.commitlog

#184 rc-proposed/turbo
- 
http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu-pd.en/turbo/184.commitlog


* Some useful documentation:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LandingTeam

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/LandingProcess
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LandingTeam/ReleaseSchedule
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes
http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/

https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/
https://trello.com/b/AE3swczu/silo-testing
https://lists.launchpad.net/landing-team-changes/
https://lists.launchpad.net/landing-team-changes+1/


* Blocking issues (stable):

** Ubuntu-emulator Latest RC just drops to busybox [1]
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1625182


* Blocking issues (devel):

None.


* Issues in need of attention:

None.



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