Re: [Ubuntu-phone] My top 5 list to have an usable Ubuntu OS on the phone
On Tuesday 29 October 2013 12:25:22 john wrote: On 10/29/2013 12:18 PM, Michael Zanetti wrote: On Tuesday 29 October 2013 11:48:43 john wrote: snip A complete keyboard would be wonderful. I was trying to add my wireless PSK in the wireless setup, and there was no '$' character, for example. The $ is there: Click on ?123 and then 1/2. It'll show up as 3rd entry in the first row. In general I think the OSK is quite complete and also not bad to use. There are some bugs with it not showing up correctly or not hiding when it should still. But for the rest I think its not too bad. What are your other concerns with it? Yes the '$' is on the second page of special characters. Somehow didn't realize the second page was there. Thanks! You're welcome. Cut and paste features seem to basically not work, and would be very helpful in many case, including the above. Can you please report bugs for the places where it doesn't work? Where should these be reported / reviewed please? That depends a bit. For example I just noticed that in the Notes app the context menu for selecting copy/paste is broken. That would go to the notes- app here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notes-app So I'd say try to stay as close as possible to the application where the issue happens. If something happens in all applications, you might want to go for Ubuntu UI Toolkit: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit Br, Michael -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] My top 5 list to have an usable Ubuntu OS on the phone
On 29 October 2013 18:34, Martin Fasani martinfas...@gmail.com wrote: 1. *A fully working Keyboard *I even don't care too much at predictive right now. A keyboard that is fast, elegant, usable. No need to repair bugs on this one, it simply does not make it like this. It's not a good design for a phone. * * 2. *A screen tapping that is responsive* This is the worst usability point I see on this OS. It takes sometimes up to two seconds to respond to a simple tap on the screen. 3. *A clock that works right after install * One that gets the right time from the start, at least if you are connected to internet. Here in Germany I always get an hour less and I have to set it up in system preferences. The Alarm does not work and most people I know use the phone as an alarm clock. 4. *A browser that works* This one is quite important too. The current one works, but is way out of a normal standard usability. Is not responsive, renders inefficiently, maps flicker and most of the links that are javascript based simply don't work. 5. *The whole navigation concept must be rethinked *I don't dislike the left menu. But the whole navigation concept is just not intuitive enough. It's hard to find the new apps. It's hard to get the flip to the left thing to scroll in open Apps. And they are a lot of incompetencies that just collapse, like keyboard with menu, flipping the phone and getting a totally static keyboard that does not work. It's like if the whole thing was not tested by real humans. And I know that is fucking hard to make an OS for a phone. And I respect all the hard work that has been put into this one. But at this point I'm not at all convinced with it. Don't make a phone for Linux experts, make a phone for normal people. +1 on everything The only caveat I'll say is that I found the navigation confusing only for 1-2 days, mainly because I had to unlearn using other devices that I was used to. Now I find it much better, including the left menu, but it may just be me. I'm sure most of this is being worked on, but I'd also love to see a first class feature rich browser, the default browser on android isnt great, and it's a great way to differentiate, imho 1. I'm not at all an expert on usability and I've just used Android and Ubuntu before. I use it as my main OS for 6 years now. I design UX front-ends but I never studied that, I did only graphic design in the Uni. My comments are only based on my experience, -- *Martin Fasani * *www.fasani.de* -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] My top 5 list to have an usable Ubuntu OS on the phone
On 10/29/2013 11:45 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: On 29 October 2013 18:34, Martin Fasani martinfas...@gmail.com mailto:martinfas...@gmail.com wrote: 1. *A fully working Keyboard *I even don't care too much at predictive right now. A keyboard that is fast, elegant, usable. No need to repair bugs on this one, it simply does not make it like this. It's not a good design for a phone. * * 2. *A screen tapping that is responsive* This is the worst usability point I see on this OS. It takes sometimes up to two seconds to respond to a simple tap on the screen. 3. *A clock that works right after install * One that gets the right time from the start, at least if you are connected to internet. Here in Germany I always get an hour less and I have to set it up in system preferences. The Alarm does not work and most people I know use the phone as an alarm clock. 4. *A browser that works* This one is quite important too. The current one works, but is way out of a normal standard usability. Is not responsive, renders inefficiently, maps flicker and most of the links that are javascript based simply don't work. 5. *The whole navigation concept must be rethinked *I don't dislike the left menu. But the whole navigation concept is just not intuitive enough. It's hard to find the new apps. It's hard to get the flip to the left thing to scroll in open Apps. And they are a lot of incompetencies that just collapse, like keyboard with menu, flipping the phone and getting a totally static keyboard that does not work. It's like if the whole thing was not tested by real humans. And I know that is fucking hard to make an OS for a phone. And I respect all the hard work that has been put into this one. But at this point I'm not at all convinced with it. Don't make a phone for Linux experts, make a phone for normal people. +1 on everything The only caveat I'll say is that I found the navigation confusing only for 1-2 days, mainly because I had to unlearn using other devices that I was used to. Now I find it much better, including the left menu, but it may just be me. I'm sure most of this is being worked on, but I'd also love to see a first class feature rich browser, the default browser on android isnt great, and it's a great way to differentiate, imho 1. I'm not at all an expert on usability and I've just used Android and Ubuntu before. I use it as my main OS for 6 years now. I design UX front-ends but I never studied that, I did only graphic design in the Uni. My comments are only based on my experience, -- *Martin Fasani * *www.fasani.de http://www.fasani.de* -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net mailto:ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp I'm also +1 to everything on this list. Additional Thoughts: A complete keyboard would be wonderful. I was trying to add my wireless PSK in the wireless setup, and there was no '$' character, for example. Cut and paste features seem to basically not work, and would be very helpful in many case, including the above. Thanks, - John Also not sure where to review / post bugs ... maybe someone can point me in the right direction. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] My top 5 list to have an usable Ubuntu OS on the phone
On Tuesday 29 October 2013 11:48:43 john wrote: snip A complete keyboard would be wonderful. I was trying to add my wireless PSK in the wireless setup, and there was no '$' character, for example. The $ is there: Click on ?123 and then 1/2. It'll show up as 3rd entry in the first row. In general I think the OSK is quite complete and also not bad to use. There are some bugs with it not showing up correctly or not hiding when it should still. But for the rest I think its not too bad. What are your other concerns with it? Cut and paste features seem to basically not work, and would be very helpful in many case, including the above. Can you please report bugs for the places where it doesn't work? Thanks, Michael -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-phone] My top 5 list to have an usable Ubuntu OS on the phone
On 10/29/2013 12:18 PM, Michael Zanetti wrote: On Tuesday 29 October 2013 11:48:43 john wrote: snip A complete keyboard would be wonderful. I was trying to add my wireless PSK in the wireless setup, and there was no '$' character, for example. The $ is there: Click on ?123 and then 1/2. It'll show up as 3rd entry in the first row. In general I think the OSK is quite complete and also not bad to use. There are some bugs with it not showing up correctly or not hiding when it should still. But for the rest I think its not too bad. What are your other concerns with it? Yes the '$' is on the second page of special characters. Somehow didn't realize the second page was there. Thanks! Cut and paste features seem to basically not work, and would be very helpful in many case, including the above. Can you please report bugs for the places where it doesn't work? Where should these be reported / reviewed please? Thanks, Michael -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
