Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The move to snaps

[Mikel Larrea]

According to this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos see Exynos
7420), the Meizu Pro 5 is also armv8. But who knows, probably that is
not the only problem.


El 13/01/17 a las 17:38, A. James Lewis escribió:
>
> Suddenly everything is clear... I was wondering what kernel feature we
> were talking about which was not available on any of the phones, but
> might allow the M10 tablet to be supported... if that feature were
> actually "armv8" ie, 64 bit instruction set/kernel... then it would
> exclude every device except the M10 tablet.
>




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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The move to snaps

[A. James Lewis]

Suddenly everything is clear... I was wondering what kernel feature we 
were talking about which was not available on any of the phones, but 
might allow the M10 tablet to be supported... if that feature were 
actually "armv8" ie, 64 bit instruction set/kernel... then it would 
exclude every device except the M10 tablet.


On 13/01/17 11:42, padraic stack wrote:

Hi Lukasz,

"
With the switch to snaps we also made a decision to switch our target 
architecture from armhf to arm64"


That's interesting. I don't know much at all about the different arm 
variants. I have been reading a little about it since your post.


I wonder if you could comment on why the move to arm64 is beneficial? 
I get that arm64 is technically better than the 32bit version but are 
there other benefits?


For anyone else interested these are articles I found useful:

https://arc.applause.com/cards/arm-64-bit-processors-future-mobile/
http://www.androidauthority.com/arms-64-bit-architecture-is-good-for-developers-407346/

All the best,

Padraic


On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Lukasz Zemczak 
> 
wrote:


Hey!

With the switch to snaps we also made a decision to switch our target
architecture from armhf to arm64, which is another big complication
for some of our existing phones on the market. For now we are focusing
all our touch efforts on the M10 platform family.

Cheers,


On 10 January 2017 at 08:08, Fabio Colella  wrote:
> Hi,
> you can find the requirements here:
> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/wiki/Distributions

>
> Cheers,
> Fabio
>
> On 10 January 2017 at 05:14, Kirk Turner  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for responding. My phone has only just arrived back in
China so I
>> still have a day or so before I find out what is happening!
>>
>> I was really enjoying my phone before it died. But if it isn't
going to be
>> compatible with snaps then I'm sorely tempted to find something
that will be
>> so I can tinker with UT in the future.
>>
>> I guess my question now is what is the base requirements that
are needed
>> for snaps? Searching through the snaps requirements I can't
find this
>> anywhere (and perhaps I need to ask on the snapcraft mailing
list instead -
>> although there was a question back in December basically asking
that with no
>> reply). However for example Docker lists it's minimum as kernel
version as
>> 3.10.
>>
>> The Meizu Pro 5 has a kernel version of 3.10. BQ Aquaris E5 is
3.4, while
>> the M10 source is up to 3.18 (as is the LG V20 for example for
a newly
>> released phone). The interesting thing is something like the
Moto G4 is
>> rolling out Nougat - but it hasn't updated the kernel version
(it is still
>> on 3.10) - so that potentially answers my question about
whether the FlymeOS
>> update coming this year would result in the potential to
support snaps.
>>
>> On 10 January 2017 at 01:48, Seth Ciango
 wrote:
>>>
>>> "Contributions aren't just limited to code. One of the things
we've
>>> always said from the beginning of Ubuntu is that all
contributions are
>>> valuable. It's not just the code contributions. The
translations and
>>> documentation and advocacy and events and asking and answering
questions are
>>> all valued just as much as code contributions." --Jane Silber
>>>
>>> Unfortunately for Kirk, getting a straight answer out of
Canonical seems
>>> impossible right now. I think he and many other people would
be content with
>>> an honest, "I don't know. We're not certain right now." I hope the
>>> communication improves soon. I understand that some people may
not be
>>> allowed to answer certain questions at the moment.
>>>
>>> However, Kirk bought a $300+ phone and is wondering if he
should keep it
>>> or get a refund. So his inquiry is perhaps a little more time
sensitive for
>>> him, and I'm surprised that no one has responded.
>>>
>>> Well, Kirk, I have not seen anybody confirm that the Meizu Pro
5 will
>>> receive any meaningful updates in the future. It is a
beautiful phone, but
>>> it may not be fully functional for you and may never become
your daily
>>> driver. The bluetooth headset functionality does not work. It
is fine for
>>> listening to music but not for taking calls. If you are ok
with that and
>>> just want to tinker, then you'll be fine. If you want the
phone to replace
>>> your current phone as your daily driver, you may want a refund.
>>>
>>> This bug report will give you more information on the
headphone issue:
>>>

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The move to snaps

[padraic stack]

Hi Lukasz,

"
With the switch to snaps we also made a decision to switch our target
architecture from armhf to arm64"

That's interesting. I don't know much at all about the different arm
variants. I have been reading a little about it since your post.

I wonder if you could comment on why the move to arm64 is beneficial? I get
that arm64 is technically better than the 32bit version but are there other
benefits?

For anyone else interested these are articles I found useful:

https://arc.applause.com/cards/arm-64-bit-processors-future-mobile/
http://www.androidauthority.com/arms-64-bit-architecture-is-good-for-developers-407346/

All the best,

Padraic


On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Lukasz Zemczak <
lukasz.zemc...@canonical.com> wrote:

> Hey!
>
> With the switch to snaps we also made a decision to switch our target
> architecture from armhf to arm64, which is another big complication
> for some of our existing phones on the market. For now we are focusing
> all our touch efforts on the M10 platform family.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> On 10 January 2017 at 08:08, Fabio Colella  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > you can find the requirements here:
> > https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/wiki/Distributions
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Fabio
> >
> > On 10 January 2017 at 05:14, Kirk Turner  wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for responding. My phone has only just arrived back in China so I
> >> still have a day or so before I find out what is happening!
> >>
> >> I was really enjoying my phone before it died. But if it isn't going to
> be
> >> compatible with snaps then I'm sorely tempted to find something that
> will be
> >> so I can tinker with UT in the future.
> >>
> >> I guess my question now is what is the base requirements that are needed
> >> for snaps? Searching through the snaps requirements I can't find this
> >> anywhere (and perhaps I need to ask on the snapcraft mailing list
> instead -
> >> although there was a question back in December basically asking that
> with no
> >> reply). However for example Docker lists it's minimum as kernel version
> as
> >> 3.10.
> >>
> >> The Meizu Pro 5 has a kernel version of 3.10. BQ Aquaris E5 is 3.4,
> while
> >> the M10 source is up to 3.18 (as is the LG V20 for example for a newly
> >> released phone). The interesting thing is something like the Moto G4 is
> >> rolling out Nougat - but it hasn't updated the kernel version (it is
> still
> >> on 3.10) - so that potentially answers my question about whether the
> FlymeOS
> >> update coming this year would result in the potential to support snaps.
> >>
> >> On 10 January 2017 at 01:48, Seth Ciango  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "Contributions aren't just limited to code. One of the things we've
> >>> always said from the beginning of Ubuntu is that all contributions are
> >>> valuable. It's not just the code contributions. The translations and
> >>> documentation and advocacy and events and asking and answering
> questions are
> >>> all valued just as much as code contributions." --Jane Silber
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately for Kirk, getting a straight answer out of Canonical
> seems
> >>> impossible right now. I think he and many other people would be
> content with
> >>> an honest, "I don't know. We're not certain right now." I hope the
> >>> communication improves soon. I understand that some people may not be
> >>> allowed to answer certain questions at the moment.
> >>>
> >>> However, Kirk bought a $300+ phone and is wondering if he should keep
> it
> >>> or get a refund. So his inquiry is perhaps a little more time
> sensitive for
> >>> him, and I'm surprised that no one has responded.
> >>>
> >>> Well, Kirk, I have not seen anybody confirm that the Meizu Pro 5 will
> >>> receive any meaningful updates in the future. It is a beautiful phone,
> but
> >>> it may not be fully functional for you and may never become your daily
> >>> driver. The bluetooth headset functionality does not work. It is fine
> for
> >>> listening to music but not for taking calls. If you are ok with that
> and
> >>> just want to tinker, then you'll be fine. If you want the phone to
> replace
> >>> your current phone as your daily driver, you may want a refund.
> >>>
> >>> This bug report will give you more information on the headphone issue:
> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1590844
> >>>
> >>> As you can see, the bug and the contributors have been abandoned and
> >>> there is no indication that the bug will ever be resolved or even
> worked on.
> >>>
> >>> If the Meizu Pro 5 receives a snap-based distro upgrade, there is a
> good
> >>> chance that the bug and many other bugs will be resolved by the newer
> kernel
> >>> and newer software. As of right now, it looks like the programmers'
> hands
> >>> are tied, and they can not fix such a critical bug.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Kirk Turner 
> wrote:
> 
>  I'm certainly interested to know what 

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The move to snaps

[Stephen]

  
  
Kirk
I too have a Meizu Pro 5
The Pro 5, I understand, runs the A57, A53 chips,
"The ARM® Cortex®-A57 was the first
  high-performance ARMv8-A processor. It extends the reach of the
  ARM architecture into premium 64-bit mobile and infrastructure
  applications"
Which seems to me to indicate the Pro 5 will be Snap compatible
  (assuming the kernel is able to be upgraded)
  


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The move to snaps

[Stephen]

Kirk

I too have a Meizu Pro 5

The Pro 5, I understand, runs the A57, A53 chips,

"The ARM Cortex-A57 was the first high-performance ARMv8-A processor. It 
extends the reach of the ARM architecture into premium 64-bit mobile and 
infrastructure applications"


Which seems to me to indicate the Pro 5 will be Snap compatible, 
assuming the kernel is able to be upgraded.



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The move to snaps

[Lukasz Zemczak]

Hey!

With the switch to snaps we also made a decision to switch our target
architecture from armhf to arm64, which is another big complication
for some of our existing phones on the market. For now we are focusing
all our touch efforts on the M10 platform family.

Cheers,


On 10 January 2017 at 08:08, Fabio Colella  wrote:
> Hi,
> you can find the requirements here:
> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/wiki/Distributions
>
> Cheers,
> Fabio
>
> On 10 January 2017 at 05:14, Kirk Turner  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for responding. My phone has only just arrived back in China so I
>> still have a day or so before I find out what is happening!
>>
>> I was really enjoying my phone before it died. But if it isn't going to be
>> compatible with snaps then I'm sorely tempted to find something that will be
>> so I can tinker with UT in the future.
>>
>> I guess my question now is what is the base requirements that are needed
>> for snaps? Searching through the snaps requirements I can't find this
>> anywhere (and perhaps I need to ask on the snapcraft mailing list instead -
>> although there was a question back in December basically asking that with no
>> reply). However for example Docker lists it's minimum as kernel version as
>> 3.10.
>>
>> The Meizu Pro 5 has a kernel version of 3.10. BQ Aquaris E5 is 3.4, while
>> the M10 source is up to 3.18 (as is the LG V20 for example for a newly
>> released phone). The interesting thing is something like the Moto G4 is
>> rolling out Nougat - but it hasn't updated the kernel version (it is still
>> on 3.10) - so that potentially answers my question about whether the FlymeOS
>> update coming this year would result in the potential to support snaps.
>>
>> On 10 January 2017 at 01:48, Seth Ciango  wrote:
>>>
>>> "Contributions aren't just limited to code. One of the things we've
>>> always said from the beginning of Ubuntu is that all contributions are
>>> valuable. It's not just the code contributions. The translations and
>>> documentation and advocacy and events and asking and answering questions are
>>> all valued just as much as code contributions." --Jane Silber
>>>
>>> Unfortunately for Kirk, getting a straight answer out of Canonical seems
>>> impossible right now. I think he and many other people would be content with
>>> an honest, "I don't know. We're not certain right now." I hope the
>>> communication improves soon. I understand that some people may not be
>>> allowed to answer certain questions at the moment.
>>>
>>> However, Kirk bought a $300+ phone and is wondering if he should keep it
>>> or get a refund. So his inquiry is perhaps a little more time sensitive for
>>> him, and I'm surprised that no one has responded.
>>>
>>> Well, Kirk, I have not seen anybody confirm that the Meizu Pro 5 will
>>> receive any meaningful updates in the future. It is a beautiful phone, but
>>> it may not be fully functional for you and may never become your daily
>>> driver. The bluetooth headset functionality does not work. It is fine for
>>> listening to music but not for taking calls. If you are ok with that and
>>> just want to tinker, then you'll be fine. If you want the phone to replace
>>> your current phone as your daily driver, you may want a refund.
>>>
>>> This bug report will give you more information on the headphone issue:
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1590844
>>>
>>> As you can see, the bug and the contributors have been abandoned and
>>> there is no indication that the bug will ever be resolved or even worked on.
>>>
>>> If the Meizu Pro 5 receives a snap-based distro upgrade, there is a good
>>> chance that the bug and many other bugs will be resolved by the newer kernel
>>> and newer software. As of right now, it looks like the programmers' hands
>>> are tied, and they can not fix such a critical bug.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Kirk Turner  wrote:

 I'm certainly interested to know what that state will be with the Meizu
 Pro 5... as I'm in the interesting position that I might get to choose in
 the next few days whether I get a replacement Pro 5 or a refund for mine
 which died a month after I bought it. I got a Flyme OS one and it was going
 to be my Christmas holiday project converting it to Ubuntu... but it died
 before I got the opportunity and so the Christmas project became tracking
 the postage back to China.

 I know there is talk about upgrading Flyme OS to be Nougat based this
 year - but would that necessarily see kernel upgrades (such that the phone
 will be able to run snaps)?

 I guess the related question is from others that have the Pro 5 if I was
 just very unlucky or others have had hardware issues? Everything I've read
 suggested they a solidly built phone.

 Thanks,

 Kirk

 On 6 January 2017 at 01:26, Seth Ciango 

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The move to snaps

[Kirk Turner]

Thanks for that page - I couldn't find it in my searching.

It certainly shows a range of kernel versions depending on the underlying
OS - and the TBD for Android is I guess the point of contention :)

I'm guessing the minimum of 4.4 for Ubuntu requirement is because of the
live kernel updates that was introduced there - hence why I started looking
at what the latest android kernel versions were and was
surprised/encouraged by the fact they were still running on a 3.x kernel.


On 10 January 2017 at 15:08, Fabio Colella  wrote:

> Hi,
> you can find the requirements here: https://github.com/
> snapcore/snapd/wiki/Distributions
>
> Cheers,
> Fabio
>
> On 10 January 2017 at 05:14, Kirk Turner  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for responding. My phone has only just arrived back in China so I
>> still have a day or so before I find out what is happening!
>>
>> I was really enjoying my phone before it died. But if it isn't going to
>> be compatible with snaps then I'm sorely tempted to find something that
>> will be so I can tinker with UT in the future.
>>
>> I guess my question now is what is the base requirements that are needed
>> for snaps? Searching through the snaps requirements I can't find this
>> anywhere (and perhaps I need to ask on the snapcraft mailing list instead -
>> although there was a question back in December basically asking that with
>> no reply). However for example Docker lists it's minimum as kernel version
>> as 3.10.
>>
>> The Meizu Pro 5 has a kernel version of 3.10. BQ Aquaris E5 is 3.4, while
>> the M10 source is up to 3.18 (as is the LG V20 for example for a newly
>> released phone). The interesting thing is something like the Moto G4 is
>> rolling out Nougat - but it hasn't updated the kernel version (it is still
>> on 3.10) - so that potentially answers my question about whether the
>> FlymeOS update coming this year would result in the potential to support
>> snaps.
>>
>> On 10 January 2017 at 01:48, Seth Ciango  wrote:
>>
>>> "Contributions aren't just limited to code. One of the things we've
>>> always said from the beginning of Ubuntu is that all contributions are
>>> valuable. It's not just the code contributions. The translations and
>>> documentation and advocacy and events and asking and answering questions
>>> are all valued just as much as code contributions." --Jane Silber
>>>
>>> Unfortunately for Kirk, getting a straight answer out of Canonical seems
>>> impossible right now. I think he and many other people would be content
>>> with an honest, "I don't know. We're not certain right now." I hope the
>>> communication improves soon. I understand that some people may not be
>>> allowed to answer certain questions at the moment.
>>>
>>> However, Kirk bought a $300+ phone and is wondering if he should keep it
>>> or get a refund. So his inquiry is perhaps a little more time sensitive for
>>> him, and I'm surprised that no one has responded.
>>>
>>> Well, Kirk, I have not seen anybody confirm that the Meizu Pro 5 will
>>> receive any meaningful updates in the future. It is a beautiful phone, but
>>> it may not be fully functional for you and may never become your daily
>>> driver. The bluetooth headset functionality does not work. It is fine for
>>> listening to music but not for taking calls. If you are ok with that and
>>> just want to tinker, then you'll be fine. If you want the phone to replace
>>> your current phone as your daily driver, you may want a refund.
>>>
>>> This bug report will give you more information on the headphone issue:
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1590844
>>>
>>> As you can see, the bug and the contributors have been abandoned and
>>> there is no indication that the bug will ever be resolved or even worked on.
>>>
>>> If the Meizu Pro 5 receives a snap-based distro upgrade, there is a good
>>> chance that the bug and many other bugs will be resolved by the newer
>>> kernel and newer software. As of right now, it looks like the programmers'
>>> hands are tied, and they can not fix such a critical bug.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Kirk Turner  wrote:
>>>
 I'm certainly interested to know what that state will be with the Meizu
 Pro 5... as I'm in the interesting position that I might get to choose in
 the next few days whether I get a replacement Pro 5 or a refund for mine
 which died a month after I bought it. I got a Flyme OS one and it was going
 to be my Christmas holiday project converting it to Ubuntu... but it died
 before I got the opportunity and so the Christmas project became tracking
 the postage back to China.

 I know there is talk about upgrading Flyme OS to be Nougat based this
 year - but would that necessarily see kernel upgrades (such that the phone
 will be able to run snaps)?

 I guess the related question is from others that have the Pro 5 if I
 was 

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The move to snaps

[Fabio Colella]

Hi,
you can find the requirements here:
https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/wiki/Distributions

Cheers,
Fabio

On 10 January 2017 at 05:14, Kirk Turner  wrote:

> Thanks for responding. My phone has only just arrived back in China so I
> still have a day or so before I find out what is happening!
>
> I was really enjoying my phone before it died. But if it isn't going to be
> compatible with snaps then I'm sorely tempted to find something that will
> be so I can tinker with UT in the future.
>
> I guess my question now is what is the base requirements that are needed
> for snaps? Searching through the snaps requirements I can't find this
> anywhere (and perhaps I need to ask on the snapcraft mailing list instead -
> although there was a question back in December basically asking that with
> no reply). However for example Docker lists it's minimum as kernel version
> as 3.10.
>
> The Meizu Pro 5 has a kernel version of 3.10. BQ Aquaris E5 is 3.4, while
> the M10 source is up to 3.18 (as is the LG V20 for example for a newly
> released phone). The interesting thing is something like the Moto G4 is
> rolling out Nougat - but it hasn't updated the kernel version (it is still
> on 3.10) - so that potentially answers my question about whether the
> FlymeOS update coming this year would result in the potential to support
> snaps.
>
> On 10 January 2017 at 01:48, Seth Ciango  wrote:
>
>> "Contributions aren't just limited to code. One of the things we've
>> always said from the beginning of Ubuntu is that all contributions are
>> valuable. It's not just the code contributions. The translations and
>> documentation and advocacy and events and asking and answering questions
>> are all valued just as much as code contributions." --Jane Silber
>>
>> Unfortunately for Kirk, getting a straight answer out of Canonical seems
>> impossible right now. I think he and many other people would be content
>> with an honest, "I don't know. We're not certain right now." I hope the
>> communication improves soon. I understand that some people may not be
>> allowed to answer certain questions at the moment.
>>
>> However, Kirk bought a $300+ phone and is wondering if he should keep it
>> or get a refund. So his inquiry is perhaps a little more time sensitive for
>> him, and I'm surprised that no one has responded.
>>
>> Well, Kirk, I have not seen anybody confirm that the Meizu Pro 5 will
>> receive any meaningful updates in the future. It is a beautiful phone, but
>> it may not be fully functional for you and may never become your daily
>> driver. The bluetooth headset functionality does not work. It is fine for
>> listening to music but not for taking calls. If you are ok with that and
>> just want to tinker, then you'll be fine. If you want the phone to replace
>> your current phone as your daily driver, you may want a refund.
>>
>> This bug report will give you more information on the headphone issue:
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1590844
>>
>> As you can see, the bug and the contributors have been abandoned and
>> there is no indication that the bug will ever be resolved or even worked on.
>>
>> If the Meizu Pro 5 receives a snap-based distro upgrade, there is a good
>> chance that the bug and many other bugs will be resolved by the newer
>> kernel and newer software. As of right now, it looks like the programmers'
>> hands are tied, and they can not fix such a critical bug.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Kirk Turner  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm certainly interested to know what that state will be with the Meizu
>>> Pro 5... as I'm in the interesting position that I might get to choose in
>>> the next few days whether I get a replacement Pro 5 or a refund for mine
>>> which died a month after I bought it. I got a Flyme OS one and it was going
>>> to be my Christmas holiday project converting it to Ubuntu... but it died
>>> before I got the opportunity and so the Christmas project became tracking
>>> the postage back to China.
>>>
>>> I know there is talk about upgrading Flyme OS to be Nougat based this
>>> year - but would that necessarily see kernel upgrades (such that the phone
>>> will be able to run snaps)?
>>>
>>> I guess the related question is from others that have the Pro 5 if I was
>>> just very unlucky or others have had hardware issues? Everything I've read
>>> suggested they a solidly built phone.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Kirk
>>>
>>> On 6 January 2017 at 01:26, Seth Ciango  wrote:
>>>
 Pat,

 Could you clarify something that others keep bringing up. Are the
 current BQ and Meizu devices going to be left to wither on the vine when a
 Xenial image is released or will users be able to flash and wipe their
 phones with a new Xenial image?

 Is there a current phone on the market that is the target for future
 Xenial development?

 Is there a current phone on 

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The move to snaps

[Kirk Turner]

Thanks for responding. My phone has only just arrived back in China so I
still have a day or so before I find out what is happening!

I was really enjoying my phone before it died. But if it isn't going to be
compatible with snaps then I'm sorely tempted to find something that will
be so I can tinker with UT in the future.

I guess my question now is what is the base requirements that are needed
for snaps? Searching through the snaps requirements I can't find this
anywhere (and perhaps I need to ask on the snapcraft mailing list instead -
although there was a question back in December basically asking that with
no reply). However for example Docker lists it's minimum as kernel version
as 3.10.

The Meizu Pro 5 has a kernel version of 3.10. BQ Aquaris E5 is 3.4, while
the M10 source is up to 3.18 (as is the LG V20 for example for a newly
released phone). The interesting thing is something like the Moto G4 is
rolling out Nougat - but it hasn't updated the kernel version (it is still
on 3.10) - so that potentially answers my question about whether the
FlymeOS update coming this year would result in the potential to support
snaps.

On 10 January 2017 at 01:48, Seth Ciango  wrote:

> "Contributions aren't just limited to code. One of the things we've always
> said from the beginning of Ubuntu is that all contributions are valuable.
> It's not just the code contributions. The translations and documentation
> and advocacy and events and asking and answering questions are all valued
> just as much as code contributions." --Jane Silber
>
> Unfortunately for Kirk, getting a straight answer out of Canonical seems
> impossible right now. I think he and many other people would be content
> with an honest, "I don't know. We're not certain right now." I hope the
> communication improves soon. I understand that some people may not be
> allowed to answer certain questions at the moment.
>
> However, Kirk bought a $300+ phone and is wondering if he should keep it
> or get a refund. So his inquiry is perhaps a little more time sensitive for
> him, and I'm surprised that no one has responded.
>
> Well, Kirk, I have not seen anybody confirm that the Meizu Pro 5 will
> receive any meaningful updates in the future. It is a beautiful phone, but
> it may not be fully functional for you and may never become your daily
> driver. The bluetooth headset functionality does not work. It is fine for
> listening to music but not for taking calls. If you are ok with that and
> just want to tinker, then you'll be fine. If you want the phone to replace
> your current phone as your daily driver, you may want a refund.
>
> This bug report will give you more information on the headphone issue:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1590844
>
> As you can see, the bug and the contributors have been abandoned and there
> is no indication that the bug will ever be resolved or even worked on.
>
> If the Meizu Pro 5 receives a snap-based distro upgrade, there is a good
> chance that the bug and many other bugs will be resolved by the newer
> kernel and newer software. As of right now, it looks like the programmers'
> hands are tied, and they can not fix such a critical bug.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Kirk Turner  wrote:
>
>> I'm certainly interested to know what that state will be with the Meizu
>> Pro 5... as I'm in the interesting position that I might get to choose in
>> the next few days whether I get a replacement Pro 5 or a refund for mine
>> which died a month after I bought it. I got a Flyme OS one and it was going
>> to be my Christmas holiday project converting it to Ubuntu... but it died
>> before I got the opportunity and so the Christmas project became tracking
>> the postage back to China.
>>
>> I know there is talk about upgrading Flyme OS to be Nougat based this
>> year - but would that necessarily see kernel upgrades (such that the phone
>> will be able to run snaps)?
>>
>> I guess the related question is from others that have the Pro 5 if I was
>> just very unlucky or others have had hardware issues? Everything I've read
>> suggested they a solidly built phone.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kirk
>>
>> On 6 January 2017 at 01:26, Seth Ciango  wrote:
>>
>>> Pat,
>>>
>>> Could you clarify something that others keep bringing up. Are the
>>> current BQ and Meizu devices going to be left to wither on the vine when a
>>> Xenial image is released or will users be able to flash and wipe their
>>> phones with a new Xenial image?
>>>
>>> Is there a current phone on the market that is the target for future
>>> Xenial development?
>>>
>>> Is there a current phone on the market that runs a partially functioning
>>> Xenial image?
>>>
>>> You've probably answered these questions already, but there still seems
>>> to be some confusion since it sounds like you are saying that ALL current
>>> Ubuntu phones are End-of-Life and that no new phones currently 

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The move to snaps

[Kamouni Mohamed]

Hi,
I have bought the pro5 ubuntu edition too, i cant use bluetooth with my car
and im waiting always for further updates to see if it resolves it also im
having problems with videos the video player doesn't work. I would like to
know if it will get a snap image or i should just flash back to android the
phone that i waited for so long and cost me 600$ (phone+clearance fees)

On Monday, January 9, 2017, Seth Ciango  wrote:
> "Contributions aren't just limited to code. One of the things we've
always said from the beginning of Ubuntu is that all contributions are
valuable. It's not just the code contributions. The translations and
documentation and advocacy and events and asking and answering questions
are all valued just as much as code contributions." --Jane Silber
> Unfortunately for Kirk, getting a straight answer out of Canonical seems
impossible right now. I think he and many other people would be content
with an honest, "I don't know. We're not certain right now." I hope the
communication improves soon. I understand that some people may not be
allowed to answer certain questions at the moment.
> However, Kirk bought a $300+ phone and is wondering if he should keep it
or get a refund. So his inquiry is perhaps a little more time sensitive for
him, and I'm surprised that no one has responded.
> Well, Kirk, I have not seen anybody confirm that the Meizu Pro 5 will
receive any meaningful updates in the future. It is a beautiful phone, but
it may not be fully functional for you and may never become your daily
driver. The bluetooth headset functionality does not work. It is fine for
listening to music but not for taking calls. If you are ok with that and
just want to tinker, then you'll be fine. If you want the phone to replace
your current phone as your daily driver, you may want a refund.
> This bug report will give you more information on the headphone issue:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1590844
> As you can see, the bug and the contributors have been abandoned and
there is no indication that the bug will ever be resolved or even worked on.
> If the Meizu Pro 5 receives a snap-based distro upgrade, there is a good
chance that the bug and many other bugs will be resolved by the newer
kernel and newer software. As of right now, it looks like the programmers'
hands are tied, and they can not fix such a critical bug.
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Kirk Turner  wrote:
>>
>> I'm certainly interested to know what that state will be with the Meizu
Pro 5... as I'm in the interesting position that I might get to choose in
the next few days whether I get a replacement Pro 5 or a refund for mine
which died a month after I bought it. I got a Flyme OS one and it was going
to be my Christmas holiday project converting it to Ubuntu... but it died
before I got the opportunity and so the Christmas project became tracking
the postage back to China.
>> I know there is talk about upgrading Flyme OS to be Nougat based this
year - but would that necessarily see kernel upgrades (such that the phone
will be able to run snaps)?
>>
>> I guess the related question is from others that have the Pro 5 if I was
just very unlucky or others have had hardware issues? Everything I've read
suggested they a solidly built phone.
>> Thanks,
>> Kirk
>> On 6 January 2017 at 01:26, Seth Ciango  wrote:
>>>
>>> Pat,
>>> Could you clarify something that others keep bringing up. Are the
current BQ and Meizu devices going to be left to wither on the vine when a
Xenial image is released or will users be able to flash and wipe their
phones with a new Xenial image?
>>> Is there a current phone on the market that is the target for future
Xenial development?
>>> Is there a current phone on the market that runs a partially
functioning Xenial image?
>>> You've probably answered these questions already, but there still seems
to be some confusion since it sounds like you are saying that ALL current
Ubuntu phones are End-of-Life and that no new phones currently exist.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Seth
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Pat McGowan 
wrote:


 On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:24 AM,  wrote:
>
> I would add the Unity8 desktop needs parity with
>>
>> the current Unity7 desktop as we are also still planning to use
>> Unity8 as the default shell in Ubuntu.
>>
>> Thanks all for your patience
>> Pat
>
>
> Thanks for the clarity. Those few messages we have had stating the
current logic and plans is all that was needed to keep everyone happy. If
we understand what is going on then nobody begins to worry about the
silence. Looking forward to every bit of it except having to find the money
to replace my phone!!
>
> Just one thing, several people have said the current phones won't
support the snaps but what about the M10 tablet?

 We 

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The move to snaps

[Seth Ciango]

"Contributions aren't just limited to code. One of the things we've always
said from the beginning of Ubuntu is that all contributions are valuable.
It's not just the code contributions. The translations and documentation
and advocacy and events and asking and answering questions are all valued
just as much as code contributions." --Jane Silber

Unfortunately for Kirk, getting a straight answer out of Canonical seems
impossible right now. I think he and many other people would be content
with an honest, "I don't know. We're not certain right now." I hope the
communication improves soon. I understand that some people may not be
allowed to answer certain questions at the moment.

However, Kirk bought a $300+ phone and is wondering if he should keep it or
get a refund. So his inquiry is perhaps a little more time sensitive for
him, and I'm surprised that no one has responded.

Well, Kirk, I have not seen anybody confirm that the Meizu Pro 5 will
receive any meaningful updates in the future. It is a beautiful phone, but
it may not be fully functional for you and may never become your daily
driver. The bluetooth headset functionality does not work. It is fine for
listening to music but not for taking calls. If you are ok with that and
just want to tinker, then you'll be fine. If you want the phone to replace
your current phone as your daily driver, you may want a refund.

This bug report will give you more information on the headphone issue:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1590844

As you can see, the bug and the contributors have been abandoned and there
is no indication that the bug will ever be resolved or even worked on.

If the Meizu Pro 5 receives a snap-based distro upgrade, there is a good
chance that the bug and many other bugs will be resolved by the newer
kernel and newer software. As of right now, it looks like the programmers'
hands are tied, and they can not fix such a critical bug.


On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Kirk Turner  wrote:

> I'm certainly interested to know what that state will be with the Meizu
> Pro 5... as I'm in the interesting position that I might get to choose in
> the next few days whether I get a replacement Pro 5 or a refund for mine
> which died a month after I bought it. I got a Flyme OS one and it was going
> to be my Christmas holiday project converting it to Ubuntu... but it died
> before I got the opportunity and so the Christmas project became tracking
> the postage back to China.
>
> I know there is talk about upgrading Flyme OS to be Nougat based this year
> - but would that necessarily see kernel upgrades (such that the phone will
> be able to run snaps)?
>
> I guess the related question is from others that have the Pro 5 if I was
> just very unlucky or others have had hardware issues? Everything I've read
> suggested they a solidly built phone.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kirk
>
> On 6 January 2017 at 01:26, Seth Ciango  wrote:
>
>> Pat,
>>
>> Could you clarify something that others keep bringing up. Are the current
>> BQ and Meizu devices going to be left to wither on the vine when a Xenial
>> image is released or will users be able to flash and wipe their phones with
>> a new Xenial image?
>>
>> Is there a current phone on the market that is the target for future
>> Xenial development?
>>
>> Is there a current phone on the market that runs a partially functioning
>> Xenial image?
>>
>> You've probably answered these questions already, but there still seems
>> to be some confusion since it sounds like you are saying that ALL current
>> Ubuntu phones are End-of-Life and that no new phones currently exist.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Seth
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Pat McGowan 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:24 AM,  wrote:
>>>
 I would add the Unity8 desktop needs parity with

> the current Unity7 desktop as we are also still planning to use
> Unity8 as the default shell in Ubuntu.
>
> Thanks all for your patience
> Pat
>


 Thanks for the clarity. Those few messages we have had stating the
 current logic and plans is all that was needed to keep everyone happy. If
 we understand what is going on then nobody begins to worry about the
 silence. Looking forward to every bit of it except having to find the money
 to replace my phone!!

 Just one thing, several people have said the current phones won't
 support the snaps but what about the M10 tablet?

>>>
>>> We are working on a reference image for the M10 for development and
>>> testing work but this is not intended for "production" use at this point.
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>

 Thanks
 Gareth

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The move to snaps

[Kirk Turner]

I'm certainly interested to know what that state will be with the Meizu Pro
5... as I'm in the interesting position that I might get to choose in the
next few days whether I get a replacement Pro 5 or a refund for mine which
died a month after I bought it. I got a Flyme OS one and it was going to be
my Christmas holiday project converting it to Ubuntu... but it died before
I got the opportunity and so the Christmas project became tracking the
postage back to China.

I know there is talk about upgrading Flyme OS to be Nougat based this year
- but would that necessarily see kernel upgrades (such that the phone will
be able to run snaps)?

I guess the related question is from others that have the Pro 5 if I was
just very unlucky or others have had hardware issues? Everything I've read
suggested they a solidly built phone.

Thanks,

Kirk

On 6 January 2017 at 01:26, Seth Ciango  wrote:

> Pat,
>
> Could you clarify something that others keep bringing up. Are the current
> BQ and Meizu devices going to be left to wither on the vine when a Xenial
> image is released or will users be able to flash and wipe their phones with
> a new Xenial image?
>
> Is there a current phone on the market that is the target for future
> Xenial development?
>
> Is there a current phone on the market that runs a partially functioning
> Xenial image?
>
> You've probably answered these questions already, but there still seems to
> be some confusion since it sounds like you are saying that ALL current
> Ubuntu phones are End-of-Life and that no new phones currently exist.
>
> Thanks,
> Seth
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Pat McGowan 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:24 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I would add the Unity8 desktop needs parity with
>>>
 the current Unity7 desktop as we are also still planning to use
 Unity8 as the default shell in Ubuntu.

 Thanks all for your patience
 Pat

>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the clarity. Those few messages we have had stating the
>>> current logic and plans is all that was needed to keep everyone happy. If
>>> we understand what is going on then nobody begins to worry about the
>>> silence. Looking forward to every bit of it except having to find the money
>>> to replace my phone!!
>>>
>>> Just one thing, several people have said the current phones won't
>>> support the snaps but what about the M10 tablet?
>>>
>>
>> We are working on a reference image for the M10 for development and
>> testing work but this is not intended for "production" use at this point.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Gareth
>>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The move to snaps

[Mitchell Reese]

Awesome - can't wait to test it on my M10! Does this mean current phone 
handsets aren't being planned to update to snaps? I.e. - will there be a 
future image for the MX5pro, or will we need to wait until the next lot 
of phones comes out?


Cheers,

Mitchell

On 06/01/17 02:48, Pat McGowan wrote:



On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:24 AM, > wrote:


I would add the Unity8 desktop needs parity with

the current Unity7 desktop as we are also still planning to use
Unity8 as the default shell in Ubuntu.

Thanks all for your patience
Pat



Thanks for the clarity. Those few messages we have had stating the
current logic and plans is all that was needed to keep everyone
happy. If we understand what is going on then nobody begins to
worry about the silence. Looking forward to every bit of it except
having to find the money to replace my phone!!

Just one thing, several people have said the current phones won't
support the snaps but what about the M10 tablet?


We are working on a reference image for the M10 for development and 
testing work but this is not intended for "production" use at this point.


Pat


Thanks
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The move to snaps

[Seth Ciango]

Pat,

Could you clarify something that others keep bringing up. Are the current
BQ and Meizu devices going to be left to wither on the vine when a Xenial
image is released or will users be able to flash and wipe their phones with
a new Xenial image?

Is there a current phone on the market that is the target for future Xenial
development?

Is there a current phone on the market that runs a partially functioning
Xenial image?

You've probably answered these questions already, but there still seems to
be some confusion since it sounds like you are saying that ALL current
Ubuntu phones are End-of-Life and that no new phones currently exist.

Thanks,
Seth



On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Pat McGowan 
wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:24 AM,  wrote:
>
>> I would add the Unity8 desktop needs parity with
>>
>>> the current Unity7 desktop as we are also still planning to use
>>> Unity8 as the default shell in Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> Thanks all for your patience
>>> Pat
>>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the clarity. Those few messages we have had stating the
>> current logic and plans is all that was needed to keep everyone happy. If
>> we understand what is going on then nobody begins to worry about the
>> silence. Looking forward to every bit of it except having to find the money
>> to replace my phone!!
>>
>> Just one thing, several people have said the current phones won't support
>> the snaps but what about the M10 tablet?
>>
>
> We are working on a reference image for the M10 for development and
> testing work but this is not intended for "production" use at this point.
>
> Pat
>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Gareth
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The move to snaps

[advocatux]

El 05/01/17 a las 16:01, Pat McGowan escribió:

Hi folks

You are a very insightful group indeed, let me add a few  details to the
questions in the other thread.

[---snipped---]


Hi Pat, thank you for your added explanation.

Now everybody knows where they are standing, and can plan their own 
strategies for development, purchases, beta-testing, etc.


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The move to snaps

[gareth . france]

We are working on a reference image for the M10 for development and 
testing work but this is not intended for >"production" use at this 
point.


Pat


I take that to read 'this is technically possible but not currently 
developed', which is encouraging. Thank you.


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The move to snaps

[Pat McGowan]

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:24 AM,  wrote:

> I would add the Unity8 desktop needs parity with
>
>> the current Unity7 desktop as we are also still planning to use
>> Unity8 as the default shell in Ubuntu.
>>
>> Thanks all for your patience
>> Pat
>>
>
>
> Thanks for the clarity. Those few messages we have had stating the current
> logic and plans is all that was needed to keep everyone happy. If we
> understand what is going on then nobody begins to worry about the silence.
> Looking forward to every bit of it except having to find the money to
> replace my phone!!
>
> Just one thing, several people have said the current phones won't support
> the snaps but what about the M10 tablet?
>

We are working on a reference image for the M10 for development and testing
work but this is not intended for "production" use at this point.

Pat

>
> Thanks
> Gareth
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The move to snaps

[gareth . france]

I would add the Unity8 desktop needs parity with

the current Unity7 desktop as we are also still planning to use
Unity8 as the default shell in Ubuntu.

Thanks all for your patience
Pat



Thanks for the clarity. Those few messages we have had stating the 
current logic and plans is all that was needed to keep everyone happy. 
If we understand what is going on then nobody begins to worry about the 
silence. Looking forward to every bit of it except having to find the 
money to replace my phone!!


Just one thing, several people have said the current phones won't 
support the snaps but what about the M10 tablet?


Thanks
Gareth

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