[Bug 302148] Re: Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon
Per Kai, I'll downgrade Wine, but I'm reopening a wishlist samba task because it is in fact possible to do the right thing here. ** Changed in: wine1.4 (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Medium ** Changed in: wine1.4 (Ubuntu) Status: New = Triaged ** Changed in: wine1.4 (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Scott Ritchie (scottritchie) ** Package changed: wine (Ubuntu) = samba (Ubuntu) ** Changed in: samba (Ubuntu) Importance: Low = Wishlist ** Summary changed: - Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon + Separate the ntlm_auth features that Wine needs into another package that doesn't require winbindd client. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to samba in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/302148 Title: Separate the ntlm_auth features that Wine needs into another package that doesn't require winbindd client. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/302148/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 302148] Re: Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon
As Thierry and Anders pointed out above, this might be causing breakage. See bug #605326, for example. Considering we are installing recommended package by default, this ought to be reviewed. I think winbind should be made a Suggests of wine instead, since the NTLM authentication feature is not something most users will actually need or want. That's what Debian does too. I do not see how this could be fixed in samba. Spinning ntlm_auth in its own package would not help, as it would (likely) depends in turn on winbind. I am retargeting this bug to wine again (sorry, Scott) so it can get some discussion. ** Package changed: samba (Ubuntu) = wine (Ubuntu) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to samba in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/302148 Title: Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 302148] Re: Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon
In maverick, now that the winbind package configures a PAM module by default (bug 282751), this is more serious than just starting a useless daemon. One side effect of pam_winbind is that sudo now prompts for a second password if you hit Ctrl+C at the first prompt. Because this second password prompt is generated by pam_winbind, it doesn’t work even if you type the right password. -- Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/302148 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to samba in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 302148] Re: Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon
This has been historically causing more breakage than it should, IMHO. Lots of people that just want to run a Windows game end up with a broken winbindd on their workstation as a result... Scott: how much does Wine depend on ntlm-auth ? It seems like for most Wine usage, NTLM authentication is overkill. Would there be any way to make Wine optionally use ntlm-auth if present, and have Wine suggest winbindd instead of depending on it ? -- Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/302148 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to samba in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 302148] Re: Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon
Another side-affect of this is, that after installing winbindd, samba tries to authenticate every connecting user though winbind, which effectively renders security=share nonfunctional. It took quite some time to debug what’s wrong with samba, so installing wine shouldn’t break samba-shares! -- Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/302148 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to samba in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 302148] Re: Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon
Confirmed, thanks for reporting. ** Changed in: samba (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Low Status: New = Confirmed -- Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/302148 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to samba in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
Re: [Bug 302148] Re: Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It would be possible to have winbind only started before ntlm_auth is used, but this could mean the user would have to wait some time before being able to use ntlm_auth from wine. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iJwEAQECAAYFAkm5N5oACgkQDLQl4QYPZuU2LAP/X0mRMutt4JyZEqtZJ3RZhRiK lytg+7ETIzJ2mWNEiqLobGwR/buZ5qQ1QHfpNmoT2W/nPT+yFSDtL9mt73y7Zw2Q 4otHFv6szDrO9mtc/WynjY98tVnFrJvkpTkl5vMZdzUqTMZQkcKbq5ebbF+xo1j0 47bBqAvLfwGuu3UKd/Q= =gvnc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/302148 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to samba in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 302148] Re: Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon
Wine needs the winbind package for its ntlm-auth functions. Ideally, these would be provided by a minimalistic version of the samba package that had no such daemon. So, I am retargetting this bug towards samba (which provides winbind). Thank you for reporting! ** Changed in: samba (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: wine = samba -- Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/302148 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to samba in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
Re: [Bug 302148] Re: Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon
On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 21:00 +, Scott Ritchie wrote: Wine needs the winbind package for its ntlm-auth functions. Ideally, these would be provided by a minimalistic version of the samba package that had no such daemon. So, I am retargetting this bug towards samba z(which provides winbind). Thank you for reporting! This doesn't make sense. ntlm_auth is a tool that's sole purpose is communicating with winbindd. winbindd already doesn't depend on samba itself. Cheers, Jelmer -- Jelmer Vernooij jel...@samba.org - http://samba.org/~jelmer/ Jabber: jel...@jabber.fsfe.org -- Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/302148 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to samba in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 302148] Re: Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon
Sorry, I got confused by earlier reports saying that installing winbind (and just winbind) caused things to break, I figured something more substantial had to be going on -- Installing wine starts winbindd as a daemon https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/302148 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to samba in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
