[Bug 1194074] Re: Default index.html blindly overwritten
I'd like to add to this, I installed nginx on my Raspberry Pi and was using it on my internal network. I'm not an administrator, just a tinkerer who has no knowledge that the default www share should not be used. Because of this i've lost my index.html that i was using. I'd assume there are a lot of users like me who are not using nginx in a production environment, and as such i consider this to be a bug. A pretty bad bug that can wipe out someones hard work for absolutely no reason. Why even overwrite the standard index when you upgrade? It seems even more ridiculous than expecting everyone to know not to use the default www. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to nginx in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194074 Title: Default index.html blindly overwritten To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1194074/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1194074] Re: Default index.html blindly overwritten
This isn't fixed - it's marked Fix Released in Debian only because of Debian considering this Won't Fix. There's a reason that we say that certain spaces on the file system aren't for users and this is one of them - this is why I said in my last post on this even that you should NOT be using the 'default' doc root. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to nginx in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194074 Title: Default index.html blindly overwritten To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1194074/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1194074] Re: Default index.html blindly overwritten
Ubuntu 15.04 apt upgrades just overwrote my index.html at /usr/share/nginx/html/index.html It looks like nginx had an update on 7-20. Regression seems to be there. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to nginx in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194074 Title: Default index.html blindly overwritten To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1194074/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1194074] Re: Default index.html blindly overwritten
Samuel Messner and everyone: This has not actually been fixed based on the bug. The reason this is 'Fix Released' in Debian here is because Launchpad has the incorrect logic for the Debian bug. (See https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1413304 for details on the logic breakage). From the Debian bug (and Michael Lustfield, who marked the bug as 'Done' in Debian, although it's not fixed): The Linux FS hierarchy [1] is pretty self-explanatory and standard. Unfortunately, many admins don't bother to actually read and understand what the heck is going on in their system. They have a tendency to follow poor documentation without verifying the quality of it. It's a bit disturbing that the archlinux wiki has that, but at the same time, it's edited by users. We can't really police all documentation to ensure people use common sense. As much as it's not our place to police all documentation on the Internet, it's also not our place to protect users from every single silly thing they may consider doing. It's taking --no-preserve-root, and going a step further. Sure, this one could be a simple patch. It's a patch that isn't needed, though. I'm sorry to be blunt and perhaps a little rude, but there's only so much hand-holding and so on that should be provided. In my book, this one is well past the limit. I do have some ideas to help with this blind assumption that package territory is also user territory, but there's only so much that people will read. They obviously aren't bothering to read the top comment on the default nginx config. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to nginx in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194074 Title: Default index.html blindly overwritten To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1194074/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1194074] Re: Default index.html blindly overwritten
This has been fixed for Debian, it should really be fixed for Ubuntu too. I don't keep the files being served in /usr/share/nginx/www/, but nginx still overwrote my index.html after an nginx -s reopen. I have a hard time seeing how this would be intended in any way - this behavior has the ability to hurt a site, not overwriting doesn't. Hoping for a fix as soon as possible for Ubuntu, too! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to nginx in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194074 Title: Default index.html blindly overwritten To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1194074/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1194074] Re: Default index.html blindly overwritten
** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #774464 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=774464 ** Also affects: nginx (Debian) via http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=774464 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to nginx in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194074 Title: Default index.html blindly overwritten To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1194074/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1194074] Re: Default index.html blindly overwritten
** Changed in: nginx (Debian) Status: Unknown = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to nginx in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194074 Title: Default index.html blindly overwritten To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1194074/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1194074] Re: Default index.html blindly overwritten
Apache goes against the Debian policy on this one. They have to because of some hacks in some plugins that are supposed to enhance security. The default is simply a default. Some people will actually store websites in /etc/nginx/www/ on debian systems. There's no way to correct everyone that isn't willing to learn how to administer a system. Even if we stick things where they don't belong (/var/www/html), people will still treat that like what they should overwrite which means we would then have to manage the package maintained version and the user version. I'm okay with sticking a README file in the default location, but ... I really doubt anyone that needs to read it will actually read it. For reference, I'm maintaining the package, and the first thing I do after installing nginx is rm /etc/nginx/sites-available/default. Some people prefer stuff be in /var/www, some prefer /srv, some even think /opt, and yet others think everything should be in /home. We adhere to the Debian policy which leaves the admin free to do whatever they want by way of simply creating their own config instead of using default. Honestly, my intention with the default config was it works, here are some examples and a quick intro to a config, now do it yourself. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to nginx in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194074 Title: Default index.html blindly overwritten To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1194074/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1194074] Re: Default index.html blindly overwritten
Will Ubuntu fix the package, or does it need to be done by the Debian maintainer? Whether it needs fixing or not is a matter of debate. Personally, I agree with you, but this isn't a reason in itself to make a change. I would prefer to see consensus across Debian and Ubuntu, and am unwilling to advocate a change in Ubuntu's nginx packaging against Debian's opinion on this point. Since Ubuntu follows Debian's direction by default, this needs to be taken up in Debian in the first instance. If you want to argue the point, then I suggest that you do it in the Debian bug. Failing this, I think we need a specific reason to diverge in Ubuntu (as opposed to just a reason why Debian is wrong), since this commits Ubuntu developers to increased ongoing maintenance, and commits users to confusion because the two behave differently. Is there perhaps some kind of middle ground? What if Debian shipped a README in /usr/share/nginx/www/ which prominently states that the directory will be overwritten on upgrade? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to nginx in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194074 Title: Default index.html blindly overwritten To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1194074/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1194074] Re: Default index.html blindly overwritten
Irrespective of what the default document root is, whether it is /usr/share/nginx/www or /var/www/html, the issue in this bug report is whether a user should expect to be able to modify the index.html file in the default document root and have those changes respected. If your answer is that the default document root isn't a place that a user can put files, because certain files will be destroyed by package updates, than I put to you this question: what is the point of having a default document root in the first place? I submit that everything installed under the default document root should be marked as a configuration file in the package, so that user modifications will be respected. I can't think of any good reason not to do things that way, regardless of what you think the document root should be. Will Ubuntu fix the package, or does it need to be done by the Debian maintainer? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to nginx in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194074 Title: Default index.html blindly overwritten To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1194074/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1194074] Re: Default index.html blindly overwritten
I've just noticed this bug. IMHO, /usr/share/nginx/www/ should never be used to actually serve files. To serve static files, the document root should be changed. Somewhere under /srv is suitable under the FHS. It would be nice if this were documented better somehow (I don't know how), but this is a deliberate decision on the part of the Debian nginx maintainers. See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi- bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=730382 for some background and the current debate (which I note already links here as an example of how things go wrong). I'm all for changing the default document root to /var/www/html/ like Apache to avoid this issue, but I think that this change is still up for debate in Debian. I'm neutral on whether Ubuntu should unilaterally make this change outside of Debian. On one hand I prefer not to diverge, but the existence of this bug does demonstrate that this is a real issue for real Ubuntu users. Apache's way seems to do better and is decades old. ** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #730382 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=730382 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to nginx in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194074 Title: Default index.html blindly overwritten To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1194074/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1194074] Re: Default index.html blindly overwritten
IMHO, /usr/share/nginx/www/ should never be used to actually serve files. Apart from the default ones provided by packaging, of course. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to nginx in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194074 Title: Default index.html blindly overwritten To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1194074/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
