[Bug 894608] Re: Implementing a bridge slows 10G network

2012-09-29 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
[Expired for linux (Ubuntu) because there has been no activity for 60
days.]

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[Bug 894608] Re: Implementing a bridge slows 10G network

2012-07-31 Thread Christopher M. Penalver
Mike Imelfort, this bug was reported a while ago and there hasn't been
any activity in it recently. We were wondering if this is still an
issue? If so, could you please test the latest upstream kernel available
following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds ? It will allow
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[Bug 894608] Re: Implementing a bridge slows 10G network

2012-06-28 Thread Stéphane Graber
Marking it invalid against bridge-utils as the tool used to setup the bridge 
isn't the problem, it's most likely either a kernel bug or a configuration 
problem.
I personally reproduce similar bottlenecks in the past and Simon's suggestion 
usually helps quite a lot (if CPU bound).

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[Bug 894608] Re: Implementing a bridge slows 10G network

2012-04-11 Thread Christopher M. Penalver
** Tags added: needs-upstream-testing

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[Bug 894608] Re: Implementing a bridge slows 10G network

2012-02-29 Thread Simon Déziel
@Michael, I haven't tried to reproduce your issue but maybe some of the
bridge bottleneck comes from the netfilter hooks ?

Maybe you could try setting those sysctl keys :

net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-iptables=0
net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-ip6tables=0
net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-arptables=0

That is assuming you don't need to firewall inside of a bridge.

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[Bug 894608] Re: Implementing a bridge slows 10G network

2011-12-08 Thread Serge Hallyn
Thanks, Michael - that appears to show that the window size has nothing
to do with it.

At this point, I can only suggest watching 'top' while the benchmark is
running, to see if the cpu is a bottleneck when you are getting the poor
results.  Hopefully someone more knowledgeable will chime in with a
better idea.

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[Bug 894608] Re: Implementing a bridge slows 10G network

2011-12-07 Thread michael imelfort
Oops sorry, Here tis'

whitlam:~$ iperf -sm -w 80k

Server listening on TCP port 5001
TCP window size:   160 KByte (WARNING: requested 80.0 KByte)

[  4] local 10.168.48.14 port 5001 connected with 10.168.48.13 port 38575

Client connecting to 10.168.48.13, TCP port 5001
TCP window size:   160 KByte (WARNING: requested 80.0 KByte)

[  6] local 10.168.48.14 port 49025 connected with 10.168.48.13 port 5001
Waiting for server threads to complete. Interrupt again to force quit.
[ ID] Interval   Transfer Bandwidth
[  4]  0.0-10.0 sec  5.52 GBytes  4.74 Gbits/sec
[  4] MSS size 1448 bytes (MTU 1500 bytes, ethernet)
[  6]  0.0-10.0 sec  3.46 GBytes  2.97 Gbits/sec
[  6] MSS size 1448 bytes (MTU 1500 bytes, ethernet)
whitlam:~$ iperf -sm

Server listening on TCP port 5001
TCP window size: 85.3 KByte (default)

[  4] local 10.168.48.14 port 5001 connected with 10.168.48.13 port 38576

Client connecting to 10.168.48.13, TCP port 5001
TCP window size:   259 KByte (default)

[  6] local 10.168.48.14 port 49026 connected with 10.168.48.13 port 5001
Waiting for server threads to complete. Interrupt again to force quit.
[ ID] Interval   Transfer Bandwidth
[  4]  0.0-10.0 sec  1.71 GBytes  1.47 Gbits/sec
[  4] MSS size 1448 bytes (MTU 1500 bytes, ethernet)
[  6]  0.0-10.0 sec  5.40 GBytes  4.64 Gbits/sec
[  6] MSS size 1448 bytes (MTU 1500 bytes, ethernet)


fraser:~$ iperf -c whitlam -d -w 80k

Server listening on TCP port 5001
TCP window size:   160 KByte (WARNING: requested 80.0 KByte)


Client connecting to whitlam, TCP port 5001
TCP window size:   160 KByte (WARNING: requested 80.0 KByte)

[  5] local 10.168.48.13 port 38575 connected with 10.168.48.14 port 5001
[  4] local 10.168.48.13 port 5001 connected with 10.168.48.14 port 49025
[ ID] Interval   Transfer Bandwidth
[  5]  0.0-10.0 sec  5.52 GBytes  4.74 Gbits/sec
[  4]  0.0-10.0 sec  3.46 GBytes  2.97 Gbits/sec
fraser:~$ iperf -c whitlam -d

Server listening on TCP port 5001
TCP window size: 85.3 KByte (default)


Client connecting to whitlam, TCP port 5001
TCP window size:   279 KByte (default)

[  5] local 10.168.48.13 port 38576 connected with 10.168.48.14 port 5001
[  4] local 10.168.48.13 port 5001 connected with 10.168.48.14 port 49026
[ ID] Interval   Transfer Bandwidth
[  5]  0.0-10.0 sec  1.71 GBytes  1.47 Gbits/sec
[  4]  0.0-10.0 sec  5.40 GBytes  4.63 Gbits/sec

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[Bug 894608] Re: Implementing a bridge slows 10G network

2011-12-05 Thread Serge Hallyn
Could you show the results?  (I'm curious what it then reports as TCP
window size)

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[Bug 894608] Re: Implementing a bridge slows 10G network

2011-12-04 Thread michael imelfort
I have '-w 80k' now. It's still the same...

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[Bug 894608] Re: Implementing a bridge slows 10G network

2011-12-01 Thread Serge Hallyn
Those look normal and the same as on my systems...

Could you try running iperf with the added '-w 80k' argument?

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[Bug 894608] Re: Implementing a bridge slows 10G network

2011-11-30 Thread Mike Imelfort
Here are the results:

(Fraser is the one with bridge utils installed)

fraser:~$ cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_rmem
409687380   4194304
fraser:~$ cat/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_wmem
409616384   4194304

whitlam:~$ cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_rmem
409687380   4194304
whitlam:~$ cat/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_wmem
409616384   4194304

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[Bug 894608] Re: Implementing a bridge slows 10G network

2011-11-28 Thread Serge Hallyn
Thanks, Mike.  I tried to reproduce this with two lucid machines.  With both
not using bridges, I got:


Client connecting to 10.55.55.5, TCP port 5001
TCP window size:   166 KByte (default)

[  5] local 10.55.55.5 port 34214 connected with 10.55.55.5 port 5001
[  4] local 10.55.55.5 port 5001 connected with 10.55.55.5 port 34214
[ ID] Interval   Transfer Bandwidth
[  5]  0.0-10.0 sec  16.3 GBytes  14.0 Gbits/sec
[  4]  0.0-10.0 sec  16.3 GBytes  14.0 Gbits/sec
root@mabolo:~# iperf -c 10.55.55.5 -d

Server listening on TCP port 5001
TCP window size: 85.3 KByte (default)


Client connecting to 10.55.55.5, TCP port 5001
TCP window size:   199 KByte (default)

[  5] local 10.55.55.5 port 34215 connected with 10.55.55.5 port 5001
[  4] local 10.55.55.5 port 5001 connected with 10.55.55.5 port 34215
[ ID] Interval   Transfer Bandwidth
[  5]  0.0-10.0 sec  16.4 GBytes  14.1 Gbits/sec
[  4]  0.0-10.0 sec  16.4 GBytes  14.1 Gbits/sec

With one having a bridge, I got:


Client connecting to 10.55.55.5, TCP port 5001
TCP window size: 49.7 KByte (default)

[  3] local 10.55.55.5 port 34216 connected with 10.55.55.5 port 5001
[  5] local 10.55.55.5 port 5001 connected with 10.55.55.5 port 34216
[ ID] Interval   Transfer Bandwidth
[  3]  0.0-10.0 sec  23.0 GBytes  19.7 Gbits/sec
[  5]  0.0-10.0 sec  23.0 GBytes  19.7 Gbits/sec
root@mabolo:~# iperf -c 10.55.55.5 -d

Server listening on TCP port 5001
TCP window size: 85.3 KByte (default)


Client connecting to 10.55.55.5, TCP port 5001
TCP window size: 49.7 KByte (default)

[  4] local 10.55.55.5 port 34217 connected with 10.55.55.5 port 5001
[  5] local 10.55.55.5 port 5001 connected with 10.55.55.5 port 34217
[ ID] Interval   Transfer Bandwidth
[  4]  0.0-10.0 sec  23.2 GBytes  20.0 Gbits/sec
[  5]  0.0-10.0 sec  23.2 GBytes  20.0 Gbits/sec

However, looking back at your results, look at the TCP window sizes.  They
are similar to mine in all but the degenerate case, where it is 1.25Mb.

Could you show the values of the following files:

   /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_rmem
   /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_wmem

on both hosts?

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[Bug 894608] Re: Implementing a bridge slows 10G network

2011-11-27 Thread Mike Imelfort
Thanks for getting back to me.

Here is brctl show output:

$ brctl show
bridge name bridge id   STP enabled interfaces
br0 8000.0010187ee074   no  eth4

and ip link:

$ ip link
1: lo: LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN 
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
2: eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN qlen 1000
link/ether f0:4d:a2:3b:9a:9e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
3: eth1: BROADCAST,MULTICAST mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN qlen 1000
link/ether f0:4d:a2:3b:9a:a0 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
4: eth2: BROADCAST,MULTICAST mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN qlen 1000
link/ether f0:4d:a2:3b:9a:a2 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
5: eth3: BROADCAST,MULTICAST mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN qlen 1000
link/ether f0:4d:a2:3b:9a:a4 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
6: eth4: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP qlen 1000
link/ether 00:10:18:7e:e0:74 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
7: eth5: BROADCAST,MULTICAST mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN qlen 1000
link/ether 00:10:18:7e:e0:76 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
8: br0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN 
link/ether 00:10:18:7e:e0:74 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff

Also:

Several sources suggest that turning odd tso, and perhaps also sg and
tx, might help. Could you try

Tried this but it made no noticeable difference.

Thanks for your help so far.

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[Bug 894608] Re: Implementing a bridge slows 10G network

2011-11-27 Thread Mike Imelfort
apport information

** Tags added: apport-collected

** Description changed:

  Installing bridge-utils and then setting up a bridge in
  /etc/netwrok/interfaces decimates my netwrok speed. Uninstalling the
  package and doing a reboot restores the speed.
  
  This bug was originally posted here:
  https://bugs.launchpad.net/qemu/+bug/861141 but I now realise it is
  bridge-utils specific.
  
  Hardware:
  I have two identical machines (DELL poweredge R815), each with Broadcom 
NetXtreme II BCM57711 10-Gigabit PCIe connected via a 10G switch.
  Each machine runs 4 socket 12 core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 6174 and 128GB 
of ram
  
  Software:
  Both machines ar running ubuntu server 10.04 lts Kernels are:
  Linux whitlam 2.6.32-28-server #55-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 10 23:57:16 UTC 2011 
x86_64 GNU/Linux
  Linux fraser 2.6.32-28-server #55-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 10 23:57:16 UTC 2011 
x86_64 GNU/Linux
  
  I have installed iperf on both machines.
  
  The tests here involve running whitlam as the iperf server and fraser as the 
client.
  On whitlam I run:
  bioadmin@whitlam:~# iperf -sm
  
  On fraser I run:
  bioadmin@fraser:~# iperf -c whitlam -d
  
  before installation I get:
  bioadmin@whitlam:~# iperf -sm
  
  Server listening on TCP port 5001
  TCP window size: 85.3 KByte (default)
  
  [ 5] local 10.168.48.14 port 5001 connected with 10.168.48.13 port 37960
  
  Client connecting to 10.168.48.13, TCP port 5001
  TCP window size: 110 KByte (default)
  
  [ 6] local 10.168.48.14 port 49627 connected with 10.168.48.13 port 5001
  Waiting for server threads to complete. Interrupt again to force quit.
  [ 5] 0.0-10.0 sec 10.8 GBytes 9.23 Gbits/sec
  [ 5] MSS size 1448 bytes (MTU 1500 bytes, ethernet)
  [ 6] 0.0-10.0 sec 10.6 GBytes 9.11 Gbits/sec
  [ 6] MSS size 1448 bytes (MTU 1500 bytes, ethernet)
  
  Which is nice.
  
  Next I run:
  
  sudo aptitude -y install bridge-utils
  
  and then I add a bridge to the interfaces file like thus:
  
  FROM:
  # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
  # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
  
  # The loopback network interface
  auto lo
  iface lo inet loopback
  
  # The primary network interface
  auto eth4
  iface eth4 inet static
   address xx.xx.xx.xx
   netmask 255.255.255.0
   network xx.xx.xx.0
   broadcast xx.xx.xx.255
   gateway xx.xx.xx.1
   # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed
   dns-nameservers blah blah
  
  TO:
  
  # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
  # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
  
  # The loopback network interface
  auto lo
  iface lo inet loopback
  
  # The primary network interface
  #auto eth4
  #iface eth4 inet manual
  
  auto br0
  iface br0 inet static
   address xx.xx.xx.xx
   netmask 255.255.255.0
   network xx.xx.xx.0
   broadcast xx.xx.xx.255
   gateway xx.xx.xx.1
   bridge_ports eth4
   bridge_stp off
   # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed
   dns-nameservers blah blah
  
  And restart networking
  
  sudo /etc/init.d/netwroking restart
  
  Which results in:
  bioadmin@whitlam:~# iperf -sm
  
  Server listening on TCP port 5001
  TCP window size: 85.3 KByte (default)
  
  [ 4] local 10.168.48.14 port 5001 connected with 10.168.48.13 port 56405
  
  Client connecting to 10.168.48.13, TCP port 5001
  TCP window size: 1.25 MByte (default)
  
  [ 6] local 10.168.48.14 port 57001 connected with 10.168.48.13 port 5001
  Waiting for server threads to complete. Interrupt again to force quit.
  [ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
  [ 4] 0.0-10.0 sec 10.5 GBytes 9.00 Gbits/sec
  [ 4] MSS size 1448 bytes (MTU 1500 bytes, ethernet)
  [ 6] 0.0-10.0 sec 2.51 GBytes 2.15 Gbits/sec
  [ 6] MSS size 1448 bytes (MTU 1500 bytes, ethernet)
  
  Note that the connection from the machine with bridge-utils installed
  (fraser) to the other machine (whitlam) is not affected. Only the
  connection from whitlam to fraser.
  
  Both machines are fresh installs with nfs-common, iperf installed.
  Fraser also has bridge-utils
  
  Any help is very much appreciated!
+ --- 
+ AlsaDevices: Error: command ['ls', '-l', '/dev/snd/'] failed with exit code 
2: ls: cannot access /dev/snd/: No such file or directory
+ AplayDevices: Error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
+ Architecture: amd64
+ ArecordDevices: Error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
+ DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
+ InstallationMedia: 

[Bug 894608] Re: Implementing a bridge slows 10G network

2011-11-27 Thread Mike Imelfort
I just wanted to make sure that I can reproduce this from scratch, for
anyone who's interested...

Fresh install from 10.04.3 CD, choosing openssh-server as the only
extra package

$ sudo -s
$ apt-get update
$ apt-get dist-upgrade
$ aptitude install iperf

...

 test network speed - all OK

...

$ aptitude install bridge-utils

...

make changes to interfaces file as outlined above

$ /etc/init.d/networking restart

...

test network speed - slow

...

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[Bug 894608] Re: Implementing a bridge slows 10G network

2011-11-25 Thread Serge Hallyn
Thanks for reporting this bug.  I've marked it as also affecting the
kernel as the bridge driver seems most likely to be the problem.


** Changed in: bridge-utils (Ubuntu)
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** Also affects: linux (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 894608] Re: Implementing a bridge slows 10G network

2011-11-25 Thread Serge Hallyn
Several sources suggest that turning odd tso, and perhaps also sg and
tx, might help.  Could you try

sudo ethtool -K eth4 tso off
sudo ethtool -K eth4 sg off
sudo ethtool -K eth4 tx off

and try again?

Also,  could you show the result of 'brctl show' and 'ip link'?

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   Status: New = Incomplete

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[Bug 894608] Re: Implementing a bridge slows 10G network

2011-11-24 Thread Mike Imelfort
** Description changed:

  Installing bridge-utils and then setting up a bridge in
  /etc/netwrok/interfaces decimates my netwrok speed. Uninstalling the
  package and doing a reboot restores the speed.
  
  This bug was originally posted here:
  https://bugs.launchpad.net/qemu/+bug/861141 but I now realise it is
  bridge-utils specific.
  
  Hardware:
  I have two identical machines (DELL poweredge R815), each with Broadcom 
NetXtreme II BCM57711 10-Gigabit PCIe connected via a 10G switch.
  Each machine runs 4 socket 12 core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 6174 and 128GB 
of ram
  
  Software:
  Both machines ar running ubuntu server 10.04 lts Kernels are:
  Linux whitlam 2.6.32-28-server #55-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 10 23:57:16 UTC 2011 
x86_64 GNU/Linux
  Linux fraser 2.6.32-28-server #55-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 10 23:57:16 UTC 2011 
x86_64 GNU/Linux
  
  I have installed iperf on both machines.
  
  The tests here involve running whitlam as the iperf server and fraser as the 
client.
  On whitlam I run:
  bioadmin@whitlam:~# iperf -sm
  
  On fraser I run:
  bioadmin@fraser:~# iperf -c whitlam -d
  
  before installation I get:
  bioadmin@whitlam:~# iperf -sm
  
  Server listening on TCP port 5001
  TCP window size: 85.3 KByte (default)
  
  [ 5] local 10.168.48.14 port 5001 connected with 10.168.48.13 port 37960
  
  Client connecting to 10.168.48.13, TCP port 5001
  TCP window size: 110 KByte (default)
  
  [ 6] local 10.168.48.14 port 49627 connected with 10.168.48.13 port 5001
  Waiting for server threads to complete. Interrupt again to force quit.
  [ 5] 0.0-10.0 sec 10.8 GBytes 9.23 Gbits/sec
  [ 5] MSS size 1448 bytes (MTU 1500 bytes, ethernet)
  [ 6] 0.0-10.0 sec 10.6 GBytes 9.11 Gbits/sec
  [ 6] MSS size 1448 bytes (MTU 1500 bytes, ethernet)
  
  Which is nice.
  
  Next I run:
  
  sudo aptitude -y install bridge-utils
  
  and then I add a bridge to the interfaces file like thus:
  
  FROM:
  # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
  # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
  
  # The loopback network interface
  auto lo
  iface lo inet loopback
  
  # The primary network interface
  auto eth4
  iface eth4 inet static
-   address xx.xx.xx.xx
-   netmask 255.255.255.0
-   network xx.xx.xx.0
-   broadcast xx.xx.xx.255
-   gateway xx.xx.xx.1
-   # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed
-   dns-nameservers blah blah
+  address xx.xx.xx.xx
+  netmask 255.255.255.0
+  network xx.xx.xx.0
+  broadcast xx.xx.xx.255
+  gateway xx.xx.xx.1
+  # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed
+  dns-nameservers blah blah
  
  TO:
  
  # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
  # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
  
  # The loopback network interface
  auto lo
  iface lo inet loopback
  
  # The primary network interface
  #auto eth4
  #iface eth4 inet manual
  
  auto br0
  iface br0 inet static
-   address xx.xx.xx.13
-   netmask 255.255.255.0
-   network xx.xx.xx.0
-   broadcast xx.xx.xx.255
-   gateway xx.xx.xx.1
-   bridge_ports eth4
-   bridge_stp off
-   # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed
-   dns-nameservers blah blah
+  address xx.xx.xx.xx
+  netmask 255.255.255.0
+  network xx.xx.xx.0
+  broadcast xx.xx.xx.255
+  gateway xx.xx.xx.1
+  bridge_ports eth4
+  bridge_stp off
+  # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed
+  dns-nameservers blah blah
  
  And restart networking
  
  sudo /etc/init.d/netwroking restart
  
  Which results in:
  bioadmin@whitlam:~# iperf -sm
  
  Server listening on TCP port 5001
  TCP window size: 85.3 KByte (default)
  
  [ 4] local 10.168.48.14 port 5001 connected with 10.168.48.13 port 56405
  
  Client connecting to 10.168.48.13, TCP port 5001
  TCP window size: 1.25 MByte (default)
  
  [ 6] local 10.168.48.14 port 57001 connected with 10.168.48.13 port 5001
  Waiting for server threads to complete. Interrupt again to force quit.
  [ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
  [ 4] 0.0-10.0 sec 10.5 GBytes 9.00 Gbits/sec
  [ 4] MSS size 1448 bytes (MTU 1500 bytes, ethernet)
  [ 6] 0.0-10.0 sec 2.51 GBytes 2.15 Gbits/sec
  [ 6] MSS size 1448 bytes (MTU 1500 bytes, ethernet)
  
  Note that the connection from the machine with bridge-utils installed
  (fraser) to the other machine (whitlam) is not affected. Only the