[Bug 948156] Re: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release
I hope PHP 5.4 will make it in 12.04. My webhoster is going to upgrade from 5.2 to 5.3 in Q2/2012. A support of PHP 5.4 would raise the pressure on such legacy webhoster. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 948156] Re: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release
Sorry everyone, the lack of an available Suhosin patch for 5.4 has kept this out of 12.04. ** Changed in: php5 (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Triaged ** Changed in: php5 (Ubuntu) Milestone: ubuntu-12.04-beta-2 = None ** Summary changed: - Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release + Please merge PHP 5.4 from Debian -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Please merge PHP 5.4 from Debian To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 948156] Re: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release
Is it possible to have 5.3.10 for Server and 5.4 for Desktop? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 948156] Re: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release
Stefan Esser's response about suhosin for php 5.4 https://twitter.com/#!/i0n1c/status/180216025357361153 What they should do is offer both kinds of packages concurrently: php5.4 and php5.3 (this is kind of like they did with wine1.0 and wine1.2 supported) eg: sudo apt-get install php5.4 php5.4-cli php5.4-xdebug or sudo apt-get install php5.3 php5.3-cli php5.3-xdebug -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 948156] Re: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release
You should definitely leave Suhosin because we can not afford to wait for it and stay at php-5.3 for the next years. php-5.4 is definitely too important. I would appreciate going that way. +1 for php-5.4 in 12.04! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 948156] Re: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release
Let me know if you need anything Xdebug wise. I don't know what your deadlines are but 2.2.0 (with PHP 5.4 support is on the way). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 948156] Re: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release
Leaving Suhosin would be potentially leaving our users vulnerable, and adding pressure to the security team when new problems are found. The trade off is of course that in 2 years, when upstream PHP drops 5.3, we'll still be backporting security fixes to 12.04's 5.3.10. The timing of 5.4.0 has been most unfortunate. Had it landed in January, perhaps Suhosin would have been updated in time. At this point, its not looking good, unless a compelling argument for dropping Suhosin is made, or Suhosin releases in the next couple of days. In discussing with the security team, there's a strong desire to ship PHP 5.4.0+Suhosin, but quite a bit of hesitation in shipping 5.4.0 without it. Anyway, Once beta2 freezes later this week, I think its over. Thus far, I think I'd rather have a well known stabilized PHP 5.3 with Suhosin than 5.4.0 without Suhosin. I appreciate the effort everyone has been putting into this, and I still have hope, but time is quite short now. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 948156] Re: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release
Hi Clint, You tried to talk to the Suhosin developers about this, didn't they get back to you? It's indeed not an easy choice. Keep 5.3.x in ( stable, well-tested, no surprises ) but face with a dangerous forced upgrade 2 years down the road, or throw in 5.4 now and stabilise it + add suhosin when ready, maybe causing issues/bugs at first, but smoothing out over time. Even though my own production-quality mindset says to stay with 5.3, I would rather have 5.4 right away ( since most production systems won't be running Precise in the first month without testing anyways ) and be relaxed with the knowledge that i will have to retest a big amount of php websites because of a update in a release that has been stable for 2 years.. Having 5.4.0 now, 5.4.1+suhosin in april/may, 5.4.2, ... etc would be prefered as opposed to having to switch from 5.3.x(?) to 5.4.10 over- night.. Just my 2 cents ;) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 948156] Re: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release
Clint, you know I don't think serious productions would go with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS immediately after it's release. They would still use older one (even 11.10). For some serious production people would definitely start using new LTS starting from 12.04.1 or so. PHP 5.4 is a big step forward! By not including it in the upcoming release would lead to many installation of PHP 5.4 by hand. And would ask backports a lot :) that's headache is more than for the security team. But it's headache for users, not for security team. Having PHP 5.4 without Suhosin for sometime and then updating it later (when it comes) is surely better than having and old version of PHP for years in this LTS. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 948156] Re: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release
How about leaving Suhosin for now? ** Description changed: - PHP 5.4 is a major release which was released about a week ago. + PHP 5.4 is actually a major release which includes a lot of changes + including performance optimizations and new language constructions, not + to mention other enhancements. - Would it be pushed to Ubuntu repositories in the upcoming 12.04 release? + Please push it to upcoming LTS Ubuntu repositories. - For Desktop and Server + There shouldn't be any problems with updating packages for both, + desktop, and server. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 948156] Re: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release
Transition status in Debian: - Most packages binNMUable Rest: ming - patch needed; NMUed (already in Unstable) ossp-uuid - upstream fix needed; going to drop php5-uuid (no rev-dep); will NMU DELAYED/5 soon, wrote maintainer yesterday php-auth-pam - RM requested php-imlib - patch needed; NMU DELAYED/5 php-suhosin - upstream fix needed; ETA unknown xdebug - upstream fix in 2.2rc1; ETA: this weekend zeroc-ice - upstream fix pulled; NMU DELAYED/5 graphviz - patch needed; NMU DELAYED/5 poker-network - upstream broken for other reasons (Python transition; not in testing) ffmpeg-php - upstream broken for other reasons (FTBFS with ffmpeg 0.6; not in testing) I think it should be almost safe for Ubuntu to pull PHP 5.4 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 948156] Re: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release
Thanks Ondrej. I feel pretty good that we should be capable of pushing 5.4.0 into 12.04 if we can move soon (next 7 days or so). I am waiting for information on Suhosin (upstream seems to have gone silent.. maybe I missed where they decided not to ship Suhosin for 5.4 at all?) and whether or not we are willing to ship without it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
Re: [Bug 948156] Re: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 18:50, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Thanks Ondrej. I feel pretty good that we should be capable of pushing 5.4.0 into 12.04 if we can move soon (next 7 days or so). I am waiting for information on Suhosin (upstream seems to have gone silent.. maybe I missed where they decided not to ship Suhosin for 5.4 at all?) and Jan Wagner (maintainer of php-suhosin) told me, that he got response from Stefan, that he will update suhosin for PHP 5.4 after the release. But no more information after that. And the https://github.com/stefanesser/suhosin has been also silent. Who knows... But he is obviously alive: https://github.com/stefanesser/.ipa-PIE- Scanner whether or not we are willing to ship without it. Well, maybe you can ship without and then release a security update with suhosin updated? You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ondřej Surý ond...@sury.org -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 948156] Re: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release
It would be really nice to have 5.4 in this LTS. 5.4 bring significant performances (10 to 20%) and memory usage enhancements (up to 43% less memory usage) . -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 948156] Re: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release
Updated. It would be nice if somebody could try to recompile all reverse Build- depends in Ubuntu (and start pulling fixes from Debian + upstream). I will not have a time for that in next week or two. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 948156] Re: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release
Clint has been looking into this, there may well be a bug that is duplicates. Thanks. ** Changed in: php5 (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist ** Changed in: php5 (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Clint Byrum (clint-fewbar) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 948156] Re: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release
The work is only tracked right now in this blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-php54 The trouble right now is that Suhosin is not yet available for PHP 5.4.0. I've sent a message asking the Suhosin developers what the status of that is, and built a PPA for testing at ppa:clint-fewbar/php5 (still building at the moment). ** Changed in: php5 (Ubuntu) Status: New = In Progress ** Changed in: php5 (Ubuntu) Milestone: None = ubuntu-12.04-beta-2 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 948156] Re: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release
Clint, I have already PHP 5.4 built for lucid to oneiric in my PPA and people are already using it (I have already received some bug reports). I think that the biggest obstacle is changed API/ABI and need to do the transition for packages which build binary modules (/usr/lib/php5/phpapi/module.so). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
Re: [Bug 948156] Re: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release
Excerpts from Ondřej Surý's message of Wed Mar 07 17:44:53 UTC 2012: Clint, I have already PHP 5.4 built for lucid to oneiric in my PPA and people are already using it (I have already received some bug reports). I think that the biggest obstacle is changed API/ABI and need to do the transition for packages which build binary modules (/usr/lib/php5/phpapi/module.so). Ondrej, can you please update the blueprint whiteboard with pointers to your PPA? It seems I'm duplicating a lot of work you've already done! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to php5 in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/948156 Title: Include PHP 5.4 to Ubuntu 12.04 release To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/948156/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
