Re: JeOS and ISCSI ISO testcases moved to optional

2011-03-01 Thread Robbie Williamson
On 02/17/2011 01:15 PM, Etienne Goyer wrote:
> I am not volunteering for taking responsibilities for the test (ah!),
Perfect!  I'm assuming you mean just the iscsi stuff, not JeOS, right?

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Re: JeOS and ISCSI ISO testcases moved to optional

2011-02-18 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Etienne Goyer
 wrote:
> Srly, I was pointing this it out because lots of people mistakenly think
> you need a big $$$ NAS/SAN to test iSCSI.  There are software solution
> for that, and they work.  Just saying.

Right.  Perhaps what we need, then, is to snapshot a working iSCSI vm
disk image that can be imported into virsh/virt-manager, and upload
that to the iso.qa.ubuntu.com site, along side the instructions.  That
way, the iSCSI target itself is static, and it's just thing we're
testing (the iSCSI initiator) that's varying.

> Sorry Robbie!  You guys are always so helpful, and I give nothing back.
>  Shame on me, really!  :)

Heh, well, if you could get just such a minimal iSCSI target image,
we'll store it somewhere and use it for the testing that you're asking
us to do ;-)

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Re: JeOS and ISCSI ISO testcases moved to optional

2011-02-17 Thread Etienne Goyer
Sorry Robbie!  You guys are always so helpful, and I give nothing back.
 Shame on me, really!  :)

Srly, I was pointing this it out because lots of people mistakenly think
you need a big $$$ NAS/SAN to test iSCSI.  There are software solution
for that, and they work.  Just saying.



On 11-02-17 02:32 PM, Robbie Williamson wrote:
> Nevermind...didn't catch the "not" :/...thanks for the very informative,
> yet mostly unhelpful to my needs response. Cue http://www.sadtrombone.com .
> 
> -Robbie
> 
> On 02/17/2011 01:24 PM, Robbie Williamson wrote:
>> On 02/17/2011 01:15 PM, Etienne Goyer wrote:
>>> I am not volunteering for taking responsibilities for the test (ah!),
>> Perfect!  I'm assuming you mean just the iscsi stuff, not JeOS, right?
>>
>> -Robbie
>>
> 
> 


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Re: JeOS and ISCSI ISO testcases moved to optional

2011-02-17 Thread Robbie Williamson
Nevermind...didn't catch the "not" :/...thanks for the very informative,
yet mostly unhelpful to my needs response. Cue http://www.sadtrombone.com .

-Robbie

On 02/17/2011 01:24 PM, Robbie Williamson wrote:
> On 02/17/2011 01:15 PM, Etienne Goyer wrote:
>> I am not volunteering for taking responsibilities for the test (ah!),
> Perfect!  I'm assuming you mean just the iscsi stuff, not JeOS, right?
> 
> -Robbie
> 


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Fwd: Re: JeOS and ISCSI ISO testcases moved to optional

2011-02-17 Thread Robbie Williamson
(resend to list from correct email address)

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: JeOS and ISCSI ISO testcases moved to optional
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:24:26 -0600
From: Robbie Williamson 
Organization: Canonical
To: Etienne Goyer 
CC: ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com

On 02/17/2011 01:15 PM, Etienne Goyer wrote:
> I am not volunteering for taking responsibilities for the test (ah!),
Perfect!  I'm assuming you mean just the iscsi stuff, not JeOS, right?

-Robbie

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Re: JeOS and ISCSI ISO testcases moved to optional

2011-02-17 Thread Etienne Goyer
I am not volunteering for taking responsibilities for the test (ah!),
but I would like to point out the infrastructure to test iSCSI root
should be fairly easy to set-up.  One can run iscsitarget or tgtd to use
as the iSCSI target.  It could even be run in a VM, and the
setup/teardown automated using cloud-config, puppet or whatever.

Just my 0.02$.

Etienne


On 11-02-17 02:08 PM, Robbie Williamson wrote:
> Wanted to inform folks that we will be moving the following ISO
> testcases to optional:
> * Install (JeOS on ESX)[1]
> * Install (JeOS on KVM)[1]
> * iSCSI Authenticated Root Installation [2]
> * iSCSI Unauthenticated Root Installation [3]
> 
> This means these tests will ***not*** be required for ISO release exit
> criteria for Ubuntu Server.  Our decision was based on the lack of
> consistently available resources to verify these configurations. With
> that said, we are keeping them optional (versus removing them), as we
> believe it's important to have them available for those wishing to
> verify these environments for any given ISO release.
> 
> Anyone wishing to reverse this decision, please contact me directly.  I
> have no problem adding them back along with your agreement to run them
> for each ISO release. ;)
> 
> -Robbie
> 
> [1] http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServerMinimalVirtualInstall
> [2]
> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServeriSCSIRoot#Authenticated%20Login
> [3]
> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServeriSCSIRoot#Unauthenticated%20Login


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JeOS and ISCSI ISO testcases moved to optional

2011-02-17 Thread Robbie Williamson
Wanted to inform folks that we will be moving the following ISO
testcases to optional:
* Install (JeOS on ESX)[1]
* Install (JeOS on KVM)[1]
* iSCSI Authenticated Root Installation [2]
* iSCSI Unauthenticated Root Installation [3]

This means these tests will ***not*** be required for ISO release exit
criteria for Ubuntu Server.  Our decision was based on the lack of
consistently available resources to verify these configurations. With
that said, we are keeping them optional (versus removing them), as we
believe it's important to have them available for those wishing to
verify these environments for any given ISO release.

Anyone wishing to reverse this decision, please contact me directly.  I
have no problem adding them back along with your agreement to run them
for each ISO release. ;)

-Robbie

[1] http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServerMinimalVirtualInstall
[2]
http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServeriSCSIRoot#Authenticated%20Login
[3]
http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServeriSCSIRoot#Unauthenticated%20Login
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Re: Why choosing Ubuntu JeOS for Virtual Appliance ?

2011-01-01 Thread Dan Sheffner
I have actually used Ubuntu, Gentoo, and Red Hat in production environments.
All of them have quirks about each.

Gentoo is completely compiled from source.  So you may see a little
performance gain in doing that but the draw back is patching takes forever.
At the time I had a distcc cluster helping compile the code but even then
patching was taking way too long.  If you are running servers that don't
require 24/7/365 services and can spend hours patching, gentoo may be a good
option though most of the time this isn't the case.  Also when the emerge
fails (Gentoo update system)  it is up to the Gentoo community to help fix
these problems.  I have seen emerge fail a handful of times while apt-get
update/upgrade I have never seen fail.

Another thing I require is to have a local mirror for updating my servers.
Ubuntu/Debian are great about this because I can update the local mirror,
patch development and testing environments, test to make sure nothing
breaks, and then patch production.  Then repeat.

Red Hat requires subscription fees in order to update the servers. So I
don't believe you can actually run a local mirror.  I could be wrong but
since I don't want the companies I work for spending a fortune on operating
systems I use Ubuntu.  Another thing I really like is that Ubuntu has a
server edition while the default Red Hat installs include a GUI.  I never
need a GUI on my servers and I don't want the overhead of even running one
on my servers.  Yes you can remove the GUI stuff during the install but that
is why I love the Ubuntu Server edition. Just the minimum set of packages in
order to run the server efficiently.

Ubuntu server edition is such a great product for enterprise solutions.  I
have over 50 production servers and probably another 200 in testing &
development between Amazon EC2 and a data center I use.  Ubuntu Server
edition is certainly not a student/homePC os. I also absolutely love the LTS
(Long Term Support) editions.  Knowing I can focus on the services that the
server is running and know it will be supported for 5 years is so nice.

Ubuntu will be my choice for linux distro for the rest of my life.  Ubuntu
has done an excellent job.





On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Eliezer wrote:

> i would ask him to show me the differences between ubuntu and RH or SUSE.
> it's almost the same kernel and almost the same software.
> the only thing is that there are other people working on maintaining the
> release packages and other stuff.
>
>
> i must say that john  just kicked everything from your client words!!
>
> i had an thing with a friend at work about comparing gentoo and ubuntu on
> performance and scalability,
> if you want to take a system that works period you use ubuntu.
> if you want to start from almost scratch you will use gentoo.
> but just remember that every time you need to install new software or just
> update something you will need to recompile many things.
> and one of that major things about OS is that you can use and maintain it
> almost instantly.
>
> well my opinion
>
>
>
>
> On 08/12/2010 17:47, Loïc de la Goutte wrote:
>
>> Hi Everybody,
>>
>> My company  provides a Virtual Appliance based on Ubuntu JeOS.
>>
>> 1. Unfortunately, I am challenged by one of our customers who asks :
>> “Why did you build your  appliance on Ubuntu, as my vision is that
>> Ubuntu is considered on the market place more as a student/homePC OS
>> than an enterprise-OS as RedHat ?”.
>>
>> I want to convince him that we have objectively done the good choice.
>>
>> So, do you have such a white paper, that could lists :
>>
>> - Key differentiators of Ubuntu JeOS ?
>>
>> - VMware recommendation ?
>>
>> - List of Enterprise-grade appliances built over Ubunto JeOS ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Regards from Paris, France.
>>
>> cid:image001.jpg@01CB5E4D.25DD3D60
>>
>> Loïc DE LA GOUTTE
>>
>> Director of Product Management,
>>
>> Capacity Management EMEA
>>
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Re: Why choosing Ubuntu JeOS for Virtual Appliance ?

2011-01-01 Thread Eliezer

i would ask him to show me the differences between ubuntu and RH or SUSE.
it's almost the same kernel and almost the same software.
the only thing is that there are other people working on maintaining the 
release packages and other stuff.



i must say that john  just kicked everything from your client words!!

i had an thing with a friend at work about comparing gentoo and ubuntu 
on performance and scalability,

if you want to take a system that works period you use ubuntu.
if you want to start from almost scratch you will use gentoo.
but just remember that every time you need to install new software or 
just update something you will need to recompile many things.
and one of that major things about OS is that you can use and maintain 
it almost instantly.


well my opinion



On 08/12/2010 17:47, Loïc de la Goutte wrote:

Hi Everybody,

My company  provides a Virtual Appliance based on Ubuntu JeOS.

1. Unfortunately, I am challenged by one of our customers who asks :
“Why did you build your  appliance on Ubuntu, as my vision is that
Ubuntu is considered on the market place more as a student/homePC OS
than an enterprise-OS as RedHat ?”.

I want to convince him that we have objectively done the good choice.

So, do you have such a white paper, that could lists :

- Key differentiators of Ubuntu JeOS ?

- VMware recommendation ?

- List of Enterprise-grade appliances built over Ubunto JeOS ?

Thanks in advance,

Regards from Paris, France.

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Re: Why choosing Ubuntu JeOS for Virtual Appliance ?

2010-12-19 Thread Jean-Daniel
Hello Loïc,

Not exactly a server but not either a student/home PC: a workstation OS
widely deployed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goobuntu

Cheers,


2010/12/8 Loïc de la Goutte 

> Hi Everybody,
>
>
>
> My company  provides a Virtual Appliance based on Ubuntu JeOS.
>
>
>
> 1.   Unfortunately, I am challenged by one of our customers who asks :
> “Why did you build your  appliance on Ubuntu, as my vision is that Ubuntu is
> considered on the market place more as a student/homePC OS than an
> enterprise-OS as RedHat ?”.
>
>
>
> I want to convince him that we have objectively done the good choice.
>
> So, do you have such a white paper, that could lists :
>
> -  Key differentiators of Ubuntu JeOS ?
>
> -  VMware recommendation ?
>
> -  List of Enterprise-grade appliances built over Ubunto JeOS ?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Regards from Paris, France.
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CB5E4D.25DD3D60]
>
>
>
> Loïc DE LA GOUTTE
>
> Director of Product Management,
>
> Capacity Management EMEA
>
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>
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>
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Re: Why choosing Ubuntu JeOS for Virtual Appliance ?

2010-12-08 Thread John Pugh
On 12/08/2010 10:47 AM, Loïc de la Goutte wrote:
> Hi Everybody,
> 
>  
> 
> My company  provides a Virtual Appliance based on Ubuntu JeOS.
> 
>  
> 
> 1.   Unfortunately, I am challenged by one of our customers who asks
> : “Why did you build your  appliance on Ubuntu, as my vision is that
> Ubuntu is considered on the market place more as a student/homePC OS
> than an enterprise-OS as RedHat ?”.
> 
>  
> 
> I want to convince him that we have objectively done the good choice.
> 
> So, do you have such a white paper, that could lists :
> 
> -  Key differentiators of Ubuntu JeOS ?
> 
> -  VMware recommendation ?
> 
> -  List of Enterprise-grade appliances built over Ubunto JeOS ?

Ubuntu IS a enterprise OS.

The support SLA is better than RH and less expensive.

There are no licensing costs (Redhat & SUSE do force a license fee).

LTS releases are fully maintained for 5 years, interim releases are
supported for 18 months (all releases are supported and maintained).

Definitive release cycle (time-based).

A very large percentage of servers running on Rackspace and Amazon EC2
are based on Ubuntu.

Many very large enterprises run Ubuntu (many that you interact with on a
daily basis).

Many appliances run Ubuntu as the server OS of choice as it is easier to
setup, easier to maintain, and better supportive of newer technology.

Shall I go on?

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Why choosing Ubuntu JeOS for Virtual Appliance ?

2010-12-08 Thread Loïc de la Goutte
Hi Everybody,

My company  provides a Virtual Appliance based on Ubuntu JeOS.


1.   Unfortunately, I am challenged by one of our customers who asks : "Why 
did you build your  appliance on Ubuntu, as my vision is that Ubuntu is 
considered on the market place more as a student/homePC OS than an 
enterprise-OS as RedHat ?".

I want to convince him that we have objectively done the good choice.
So, do you have such a white paper, that could lists :

-  Key differentiators of Ubuntu JeOS ?

-  VMware recommendation ?

-  List of Enterprise-grade appliances built over Ubunto JeOS ?




Thanks in advance,
Regards from Paris, France.


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Re: JeOS - can we have options to install LAMP, SSH etc during installation (like Ubuntu Server)?

2009-07-22 Thread Victor Padro
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Mike Lane wrote:
> That's a nice simple solution - thanks very much!
>
> Mike
>
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:23:10 -0500
>> Subject: Re: JeOS - can we have options to install LAMP, SSH etc during
>> installation (like Ubuntu Server)?
>> From: vpa...@gmail.com
>> To: mikela...@msn.com
>> CC: ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Mike Lane wrote:
>> > On Ubuntu Server, during installation, there is the option to install
>> > LAMP
>> > and SSH etc - is it possible to also have these options enabed during a
>> > JeOS
>> > installation?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> After the JeOS install you can run:
>> #sudo tasksel
>> and choose the LAMP, SSH, DNS, etc. options.
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RE: JeOS - can we have options to install LAMP, SSH etc during installation (like Ubuntu Server)?

2009-07-22 Thread Mike Lane

That's a nice simple solution - thanks very much! 

 

Mike
 
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:23:10 -0500
> Subject: Re: JeOS - can we have options to install LAMP, SSH etc during 
> installation (like Ubuntu Server)?
> From: vpa...@gmail.com
> To: mikela...@msn.com
> CC: ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com
> 
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Mike Lane wrote:
> > On Ubuntu Server, during installation, there is the option to install LAMP
> > and SSH etc - is it possible to also have these options enabed during a JeOS
> > installation?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
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> After the JeOS install you can run:
> #sudo tasksel
> and choose the LAMP, SSH, DNS, etc. options.
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Re: JeOS - can we have options to install LAMP, SSH etc during installation (like Ubuntu Server)?

2009-07-22 Thread Victor Padro
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Mike Lane wrote:
> On Ubuntu Server, during installation, there is the option to install LAMP
> and SSH etc - is it possible to also have these options enabed during a JeOS
> installation?
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
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JeOS - can we have options to install LAMP, SSH etc during installation (like Ubuntu Server)?

2009-07-22 Thread Mike Lane

On Ubuntu Server, during installation, there is the option to install LAMP and 
SSH etc - is it possible to also have these options enabed during a JeOS 
installation?

 

Regards, 

 

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Re: Newbie JEOS question

2009-02-23 Thread James Dinkel
I know I'm a little late to the discussion, but after reading over this it
seems there is a misunderstanding of what is meant by JEOS being "small
simple and lightweight."  JEOS can handle the same heavy-duty, enterprise-y
loads that Ubuntu Server can.  It's JEOS itself that is small and
lightweight, meaning fewer resources are used by the operating system which
leaves more room and resources for serving your application.

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Re: Newbie JEOS question

2009-02-16 Thread Gaute Amundsen
On Sunday 15 February 2009 19:18:25 Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote:
> On 14. feb.. 2009, at 21.24, Gaute Amundsen wrote:
> >> I somehow doubt that virtualizing the server will help speed things

>
> Just keep in mind that VMs requiring more than one cpu core will give
> you quite som overhead. Even vmware recommends against SMP VMs, so if
> Zope is heavy on CPU, it might be better to run it on the host rather
> than on a guest.

We're not virtualizing on the same config either.
My original description was for the current hardware only.
I've not had a hand in the negotiations myself, so I don't know exactly, but I 
presume the increased performance of our new virtual cpus will more than make 
up for them being singlecore.
We are very seldom CPUbound anyway, it's mostly IO that troubles us.
But thanks for your concern :)

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Re: Newbie JEOS question

2009-02-15 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
On 14. feb.. 2009, at 21.24, Gaute Amundsen wrote:

>> I somehow doubt that virtualizing the server will help speed things
>> up. virtualization will always add overhead, and smp-guests certainly
>> imposes rather a lot of overhead. I would think the linux schedulers
>> (at least one of them) are probably better suited to run the load
>> efficiently than using separate VMs.
>
> We're not virtualizing on the same hardware if that's how you read  
> me. :)
> I don't know what hardware they will be running on precisely, but  
> there is a
> SAN, and redundant locations, and I presume CPUs a few years newer  
> than ours,
> so I don't worry too much. Ram usage, on the other hand, which is  
> now a major
> billable item, that is a challenge. Zope can be a real hog if you  
> let it..
>
> I guess we're virtualizing for mostly the same reasons as everyone  
> else:
> outsourcing hardware worries, more flexible expansion path,  
> compartmentalizing
> some services, etc. etc.


Just keep in mind that VMs requiring more than one cpu core will give  
you quite som overhead. Even vmware recommends against SMP VMs, so if  
Zope is heavy on CPU, it might be better to run it on the host rather  
than on a guest.

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Re: Newbie JEOS question

2009-02-14 Thread Gaute Amundsen
On Saturday 14 February 2009 18:22:57 Ken Hansen wrote:
> Ken
>
> On Feb 14, 2009, at 6:53 AM, Gaute Amundsen  wrote:
>
> 
>
> > So what would be your advice here? Is JEOS suitable for a server
> > like this?
>
> My advice, would be:
>
> Use an efficient hypervisor to host the VMs, whichever you choose,
>
> Ensure each VM has ample resources,
>
> Evaluate carefully using virtualized NICs for inter-VM networking
> versus bonding to actual NICs and switch ports (I'm not pushing one
> over the other, I'm suggesting they are not equal, and make sure you
> test both),

Duly noted.  The hardware is not my worry happily, but I will make sure to ask 
our provider about it.

> Use package management to install server software, and let it manage
> dependancies - JeOS is a reduced version of Server Ubuntu, and the
> package manager will ensure all required software is installed for
> your server.
>
> Ken

Thanks 

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Re: Newbie JEOS question

2009-02-14 Thread Gaute Amundsen
On Saturday 14 February 2009 17:39:44 Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote:
> > We are just about to set up two virtual servers to replace one
> > physical.
> > Now running Zope, apache, haproxy, varnish, postfix, ++ on quad Xeon
> > 3GHz 12 G
> > ram, and often struggling during peak traffic.
>
> I somehow doubt that virtualizing the server will help speed things
> up. virtualization will always add overhead, and smp-guests certainly
> imposes rather a lot of overhead. I would think the linux schedulers
> (at least one of them) are probably better suited to run the load
> efficiently than using separate VMs.

We're not virtualizing on the same hardware if that's how you read me. :)
I don't know what hardware they will be running on precisely, but there is a 
SAN, and redundant locations, and I presume CPUs a few years newer than ours, 
so I don't worry too much. Ram usage, on the other hand, which is now a major 
billable item, that is a challenge. Zope can be a real hog if you let it..

I guess we're virtualizing for mostly the same reasons as everyone else:
outsourcing hardware worries, more flexible expansion path, compartmentalizing 
some services, etc. etc.

> I all pedagogikk er det essensielt at pensum presenteres
> intelligibelt. Det er en elementært imperativ for alle pedagoger å
> unngå eksessiv anvendelse av idiomer med fremmed opprinnelse. I de
> fleste tilfeller eksisterer adekvate og relevante synonymer på norsk.

Hvorfor utilisere xenonymer når det finnes adekvate domestikerte substitutter?

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RE: Newbie JEOS question

2009-02-14 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Gaute Amundsen wrote:

>Hi

>We are just about to set up two virtual servers to replace one physical.
>Now running Zope, apache, haproxy, varnish, postfix, ++ on quad Xeon 3GHz 12 G 
>ram, and often struggling during peak traffic.

>We have decided to switch from rhel4 to ubuntu server, and we immediately 
>thought jeos 8.04 lts would be the thing, being optimized for VMWare and all.

>However the use of the term "virtual appliance" in the marketing materials has 
>me slightly worried. To me, that implies small simple and lightweight, which 
>these servers will most certainly not be.

I always thought (not necessarily correctly) that Jeos was for running on top 
of the virtual environments, and thus it did not contain all the required 
drivers (such as NIC, storage etc), that the server version used.  Virtual 
appliances are usually lightweight Linux builds, but that doesn't mean they 
aren't subjected to heavy loads.

Thus I would also go with Jeos if you were using a virtualization platform 
underneath that.

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Re: Newbie JEOS question

2009-02-14 Thread Ken Hansen


Ken

On Feb 14, 2009, at 6:53 AM, Gaute Amundsen  wrote:



> So what would be your advice here? Is JEOS suitable for a server  
> like this?

My advice, would be:

Use an efficient hypervisor to host the VMs, whichever you choose,

Ensure each VM has ample resources,

Evaluate carefully using virtualized NICs for inter-VM networking  
versus bonding to actual NICs and switch ports (I'm not pushing one  
over the other, I'm suggesting they are not equal, and make sure you  
test both),

Use package management to install server software, and let it manage  
dependancies - JeOS is a reduced version of Server Ubuntu, and the  
package manager will ensure all required software is installed for  
your server.

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Re: Newbie JEOS question

2009-02-14 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
> We are just about to set up two virtual servers to replace one  
> physical.
> Now running Zope, apache, haproxy, varnish, postfix, ++ on quad Xeon  
> 3GHz 12 G
> ram, and often struggling during peak traffic.

I somehow doubt that virtualizing the server will help speed things  
up. virtualization will always add overhead, and smp-guests certainly  
imposes rather a lot of overhead. I would think the linux schedulers  
(at least one of them) are probably better suited to run the load  
efficiently than using separate VMs.

Just my two cents...

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Re: Newbie JEOS question

2009-02-14 Thread Gaute Amundsen
On Saturday 14 February 2009 14:19:42 Serge van Ginderachter wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> You should see JeOS as the same product as Ubuntu server.
> The difference lies mostly in list of packages in the default install,
> which is the very bare minimum minimorum, and with a tuned kernel that only
> contains the base elements needed to run within a virtualized environment.
>
Well, that is what logic tells me too.

> Check the specs on
> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/jeos

That is precisely the page that had me worried with "appliance" talk :)
And this one too:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOS

> I see JeOS as the more proper install media, for virtual servers. After
> setup, you just add packages and tweak like any other OS, but you start
> from a more bare OS, which was tuned for the "Virtual Hardware".
>
> In conclusion, I'd say that yes, JeOS in suitable for your need.
>
> Serge

Great! Just what I wanted to hear :)

It would have been rather embarrassing to make jeos the basis for this new 
set-up, just to discover the system and kernel was tuned for single-service 
VMs or something.


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Re: Newbie JEOS question

2009-02-14 Thread Serge van Ginderachter
Hi,


You should see JeOS as the same product as Ubuntu server.
The difference lies mostly in list of packages in the default install, which is 
the very bare minimum minimorum,
and with a tuned kernel that only contains the base elements needed to run 
within a virtualized environment.

Check the specs on 
http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/jeos

I see JeOS as the more proper install media, for virtual servers. After setup, 
you just add packages and tweak like any other OS, but you start from a more 
bare OS, which was tuned for the "Virtual Hardware".

In conclusion, I'd say that yes, JeOS in suitable for your need.


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> To: ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com
> Sent: Saturday, 14 February, 2009 12:53:15 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / 
> Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna
> Subject: Newbie JEOS question
>
> Hi
> 
> We are just about to set up two virtual servers to replace one
> physical.
> Now running Zope, apache, haproxy, varnish, postfix, ++ on quad Xeon
> 3GHz 12 G 
> ram, and often struggling during peak traffic.
> 
> We have decided to switch from rhel4 to ubuntu server, and we
> immediately 
> thought jeos 8.04 lts would be the thing, being optimized for VMWare
> and all.
> 
> However the use of the term "virtual appliance" in the marketing
> materials has 
> me slightly worried. To me, that implies small simple and lightweight,
> which 
> these servers will most certainly not be.
> 
> Then I was told about a well known company that hosts lots and lots of
> plone 
> servers and are using the plain server version. Reasons unknown.
> 
> So what would be your advice here? Is JEOS suitable for a server like
> this?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Gaute Amundsen
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Newbie JEOS question

2009-02-14 Thread Gaute Amundsen
Hi

We are just about to set up two virtual servers to replace one physical.
Now running Zope, apache, haproxy, varnish, postfix, ++ on quad Xeon 3GHz 12 G 
ram, and often struggling during peak traffic.

We have decided to switch from rhel4 to ubuntu server, and we immediately 
thought jeos 8.04 lts would be the thing, being optimized for VMWare and all.

However the use of the term "virtual appliance" in the marketing materials has 
me slightly worried. To me, that implies small simple and lightweight, which 
these servers will most certainly not be.

Then I was told about a well known company that hosts lots and lots of plone 
servers and are using the plain server version. Reasons unknown.

So what would be your advice here? Is JEOS suitable for a server like this?

Regards

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Fwd: [Bug 307582] Re: SRU: Bridging documentation in the JeOS VMBuilder documentation is wrong

2008-12-16 Thread Jonathan Jesse
Copying Matthew East of the Doc team onto this.

Matt I know you have done a lot of SRUs for the ubuntu-docs package.  We
have a pretty large problem with the server guide as it relates to the JeOS
VMBuilder documentation.  How do we go about making sure it gets updated and
added into the server updates?

Thanks for your help,

Jonathan

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Date: Dec 15, 2008 9:56 PM
Subject: [Bug 307582] Re: SRU: Bridging documentation in the JeOS VMBuilder
documentation is wrong
To: jje...@gmail.com

I think we can do SRUs for the server guide, but I can't remember ever
actually doing one :-).  Anyway, following the SRU wiki page:

1) The impact of the bug is that the instructions in the Server Guide
won't work, causing confusion and wasted time for the user.

2) A fix has been committed to revision 132 of the lp:ubuntu-doc branch.

3) A patch for the ubuntu-serverguide package is attached.

4) To reproduce the bug follow the current instructions, and your VM
won't be able to connect to the network using a bridge interface.
Change the XML in VMBuilder/plugins/libvirt/templates/libvirtxml.tmpl
and the VM should connect fine.

5) There should be no regression potential, and since the fix is an XML
configuration file there should be no need to re-translate the package.
At least as I understand what is and what is not translated.

I don't think I can upload a fixed package to release-proposed, or at
least I have never done so.  If someone else can help with the step 4 of
the SRU process it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Adam

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Re: JeOS support for VMWorkstation

2008-11-04 Thread Kay Abendroth
On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:50:41 +0100
Anil Dindigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I noticed that on the JeOS page, VMWare workstation is not listed as on of 
> the supported platforms. Can anyone confirm that JeOS can run on VMWare 
> Workstation?

 I can also confirm that it is running just fine on VMWare Workstation 6. I
 did not test it with VMware Workstation 5 though.


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RE: JeOS support for VMWorkstation

2008-11-04 Thread Mike Lane

Yes, Ubuntu JeOS works fine in VMWare Workstation 6.x.

Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:50:41 -0800From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
JeOS support for VMWorkstationHi,I noticed that on the JeOS page, VMWare 
workstation is not listed as on of the supported platforms. Can anyone confirm 
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JeOS support for VMWorkstation

2008-11-03 Thread Anil Dindigal
Hi,

I noticed that on the JeOS page, VMWare workstation is not listed as on of
the supported platforms. Can anyone confirm that JeOS can run on VMWare
Workstation?


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Re: JeOS under VMware ESXi

2008-10-27 Thread Mathias Gug
Hi,

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 07:20:34AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I was able to install JeOS from the i386 install ISO (by pressing F4) and 
> successfully test it as described at  href="http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/ServerInstall";>http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/ServerInstall
>  but it seems I took too long in running the test, and now I can't enter my 
> results ("We are not testing at the moment" according to  href="http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/";>http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/). Fine, I can 
> download and retest the new ISOs tomorrow.

The ISO QA tracker is only used to test milestoned isos (we're currently
preparing the final isos for 8.10). I'd suggest to subscribe to the ESX
test case in the tracker so that you'll be notified about new builds
requiring testing.

> The test for JeOS seem exceptionally short - there are at least three 
> storage-related install options, and the complete set of server install 
> options (LAMP, DNS, TOMCAT, etc.) that are not tested, and I think should be.

LAMP, dns and other tasks are already covered by other test cases. This
test case is targeted at making sure that Ubuntu can be installed in an
ESX environment (ie that the kernel is able to boot and the necessary
drivers are available in the -virtual kernel flavor).

> Also, the test case description is a bit thin, I'd like to add a couple 
> sentences about ESXi setup and expand on the "Follow install procedure with 
> defaults" step.

Agreed. The reason why the description may be thin is that the lack of
access to an ESXi environment means that the available options are
unknown. It seems that there are multiple choices when creating a guest
environment in ESXi (such as device drivers, etc...). Updating the test
case or creating other test cases is very welcomed - it's a wiki page.

> Finally, the Testing/ISO/Procedures page ( href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures";>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures)
>  says the next testing day is Monday, Oct. 26th - that should be the 27th, 
> right?

As mentioned above, subscribing to test cases on the ISO QA tracker and
hanging in the #ubuntu-testing IRC channel will keep you in the loop
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JeOS under VMware ESXi

2008-10-26 Thread n2vip


I was able to install JeOS from the i386 install ISO (by pressing F4) and successfully test it as described at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/ServerInstall but it seems I took too long in running the test, and now I can't enter my results ("We are not testing at the moment" according to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ ). Fine, I can download and retest the new ISOs tomorrow.
 
But until then, I have just a few nits to pick:
 
The test for JeOS seem exceptionally short - there are at least three storage-related install options, and the complete set of server install options (LAMP, DNS, TOMCAT, etc.) that are not tested, and I think should be.
 
Also, the test case description is a bit thin, I'd like to add a couple sentences about ESXi setup and expand on the "Follow install procedure with defaults" step.
 
Finally, the Testing/ISO/Procedures page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures) says the next testing day is Monday, Oct. 26th - that should be the 27th, right?
 
Sorry, I know this is a technical forum, but I'm not sure where to go with specific testing questions like the above - any pointers would be appreciated.
 
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Re: Ubuntu JeOS image for testing?

2008-10-25 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 1:17 PM, MJang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 12:35 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I am hoping to fill the remaining gap in ISO QA INSTALL testing for
>> the latest release - install JeOS under VMware ESX, but I can't find
>> the latest JeOS .iso file to attempt the install. Could someone please
>> give me a pointer?
>
> Haven't tried it personally on Intrepid Ibex. But I gather from previous
> messages that it's now the "minimal" install of Ubuntu Server.

Exactly.

>From the Ubuntu Intrepid server cd, in the bootloader, hit F4.

Thanks,
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Re: Ubuntu JeOS image for testing?

2008-10-25 Thread MJang
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 12:35 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello all,
>  
> I am hoping to fill the remaining gap in ISO QA INSTALL testing for
> the latest release - install JeOS under VMware ESX, but I can't find
> the latest JeOS .iso file to attempt the install. Could someone please
> give me a pointer?

Haven't tried it personally on Intrepid Ibex. But I gather from previous
messages that it's now the "minimal" install of Ubuntu Server.

Thanks,
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Ubuntu JeOS image for testing?

2008-10-25 Thread n2vip


Hello all,
 
I am hoping to fill the remaining gap in ISO QA INSTALL testing for the latest release - install JeOS under VMware ESX, but I can't find the latest JeOS .iso file to attempt the install. Could someone please give me a pointer?
 
I would have expected it to be here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
 
Is JeOS being de-emphasised or delayed for some reason?
 
The tests I want to perform are here:
 
amd64 image testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/2104/267
 
i386 image testing: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/2105/268
Also, isn't JeOS 32-bit only?
 
I wonder if the test cases are setup correctly, since there is no relation to amd64/i386 server builds...
 
Shouldn't JeOS ISO QA INSTALL testing would parallel the i386/amd64 testing, not be part of it?
 
Thanks,
 
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Re: Ubuntu JeOS

2008-09-02 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 10:13:42PM +1000, Marcus Young wrote:
> there was an error in postgresql-8.3-main.log along the lines of
> "unable to load root.crt".  After commenting out "ssl=true" in
> postgresql.conf the error went away.  The only "error" in the log now
> seems to be "incomplete startup packet" which I think is related to
> the client rather than the server?  With DNS, I just did some simple
> pings to localhost and hostname.domain.  I noticed that the Avahi mDNS
> deamon starts just before postgresql. 

This sounds mostly like a postgresql bug. Have you reported it on
Launchpad?

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RE: Ubuntu JeOS

2008-09-01 Thread Marcus Young
Soren, 
 
there was an error in postgresql-8.3-main.log along the lines of "unable to 
load root.crt".  After commenting out "ssl=true" in postgresql.conf the error 
went away.  The only "error" in the log now seems to be "incomplete startup 
packet" which I think is related to the client rather than the server?  With 
DNS, I just did some simple pings to localhost and hostname.domain.  I noticed 
that the Avahi mDNS deamon starts just before postgresql. 
 
Marcus 

  
 
 
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To: Marcus Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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Subject: Re: Ubuntu JeOS 
 
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 09:27:49PM +1000, Marcus Young wrote: 
> I am not sure that this is the right list for this question?  I have 
> just been working on developing a simple java application appliance 
> (vmware) using Ubuntu JeOS.  The application runs against PostgreSQL. 
> So:
> 
> I built a JeOS server, updated and upgraded, installed Java 1.5 and 
> Openssl and then installed Postgresql.  The issue is that the database 
> seems to error during the start up process.  That is the boot screen 
> lists the state as "fail" rather than "ok".  However, if I logon and 
> give it a few seconds it appears to have started correctly.  I thought 
> that it may have something to do with DNS lookups or certs (there were 
> errors in the logs) but have eliminated these possibilities.   
 
How did you eliminate these possibilities? 
 
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Re: Ubuntu JeOS

2008-09-01 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 09:27:49PM +1000, Marcus Young wrote:
> I am not sure that this is the right list for this question?  I have
> just been working on developing a simple java application appliance
> (vmware) using Ubuntu JeOS.  The application runs against PostgreSQL.
> So:   
>    
> I built a JeOS server, updated and upgraded, installed Java 1.5 and
> Openssl and then installed Postgresql.  The issue is that the database
> seems to error during the start up process.  That is the boot screen
> lists the state as "fail" rather than "ok".  However, if I logon and
> give it a few seconds it appears to have started correctly.  I thought
> that it may have something to do with DNS lookups or certs (there were
> errors in the logs) but have eliminated these possibilities.  

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Ubuntu JeOS

2008-09-01 Thread Marcus Young
I am not sure that this is the right list for this question?  I have just been 
working on developing a simple java application appliance (vmware) using Ubuntu 
JeOS.  The application runs against PostgreSQL.  So:   
   
I built a JeOS server, updated and upgraded, installed Java 1.5 and Openssl and 
then installed Postgresql.  The issue is that the database seems to error 
during the start up process.  That is the boot screen lists the state as "fail" 
rather than "ok".  However, if I logon and give it a few seconds it appears to 
have started correctly.  I thought that it may have something to do with DNS 
lookups or certs (there were errors in the logs) but have eliminated these 
possibilities.  I should say that the problem is intermitant - although it is 
listed as "fail" on most boot ups.   
   
any advise / guidance appreciated   
   
Marcus   
   
   
   
   
   

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Re: nf_conntrack_sip.ko missing from JeOS image (virtual)

2008-06-23 Thread James Dinkel
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Roger Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks James
>
> Don't need a Hardy machine if the repository database is up to date - a
> search on packages.ubuntu.com gives:
>

>
> So it is in several other kernel images apart from JeOS. Just not sure I
> can lift it out of another kernel image and expect it to work with the
> JeOS kernel.
>
> Regards
>
> Roger
>

It looks like you're out of luck then, but you can always just install
the server kernel.  Granted there are drawbacks to that, but it would
be an easy and maintainable fix to your problem.

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Re: nf_conntrack_sip.ko missing from JeOS image (virtual)

2008-06-23 Thread Roger Henry
Thanks James

Don't need a Hardy machine if the repository database is up to date - a
search on packages.ubuntu.com gives:

/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-386/kernel/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_sip.ko 
linux-image-2.6.24-16-386

/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_sip.ko 
linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic

/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-openvz/kernel/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_sip.ko
linux-image-2.6.24-16-openvz

/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-rt/kernel/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_sip.ko
linux-image-2.6.24-16-rt

/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-server/kernel/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_sip.ko
linux-image-2.6.24-16-server

/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-xen/kernel/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_sip.ko
linux-image-2.6.24-16-xen

/usr/lib/uml/modules/2.6.22-rc5/kernel/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_sip.ko
user-mode-linux

/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-openvz/include/linux/netfilter/nf_conntrack_sip.h
 

linux-headers-2.6.24-16-openvz

/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16/include/linux/netfilter/nf_conntrack_sip.h
linux-headers-2.6.24-16

So it is in several other kernel images apart from JeOS. Just not sure I
can lift it out of another kernel image and expect it to work with the
JeOS kernel.

Regards

Roger


James Dinkel wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Roger Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hardy Kernel builders
>>
>> I have been using JeOS successfully as a platform for OpenVPN.
>> I now need to move to a firewall project on the same or a connected VM
>> and plan to use Shorewall to generate netfilter configuration.
>>
>> I noticed however that a needed kernel module has been omitted from the
>> images used by JeOS (-virtual): nf_conntrack_sip. I will need this to
>> fixup SIP when doing SNAT.
>>
>> The server image includes this module but someone decided to leave it
>> out of JeOS. I could use server but would prefer to carry on using JeOS.
>> So advice please on the best way to solve this - do I have to go back to
>> the JeOS kernel development package and build the module myself?
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Roger Henry
>>
> 
> 
> I don't have a Hardy machine available to check, but is there a
> package called "user-mode-linux" available from apt?  The
> nf_conntrack_sip module should be in there.
> 
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Re: nf_conntrack_sip.ko missing from JeOS image (virtual)

2008-06-23 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 09:25:36AM -0500, James Dinkel wrote:
> I don't have a Hardy machine available to check, but is there a
> package called "user-mode-linux" available from apt?  The
> nf_conntrack_sip module should be in there.

Yes, but that would be for user-mode-linux and not for "real" kernel.

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Re: nf_conntrack_sip.ko missing from JeOS image (virtual)

2008-06-23 Thread James Dinkel
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Roger Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hardy Kernel builders
>
> I have been using JeOS successfully as a platform for OpenVPN.
> I now need to move to a firewall project on the same or a connected VM
> and plan to use Shorewall to generate netfilter configuration.
>
> I noticed however that a needed kernel module has been omitted from the
> images used by JeOS (-virtual): nf_conntrack_sip. I will need this to
> fixup SIP when doing SNAT.
>
> The server image includes this module but someone decided to leave it
> out of JeOS. I could use server but would prefer to carry on using JeOS.
> So advice please on the best way to solve this - do I have to go back to
> the JeOS kernel development package and build the module myself?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Roger Henry
>


I don't have a Hardy machine available to check, but is there a
package called "user-mode-linux" available from apt?  The
nf_conntrack_sip module should be in there.

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nf_conntrack_sip.ko missing from JeOS image (virtual)

2008-06-22 Thread Roger Henry
Hardy Kernel builders

I have been using JeOS successfully as a platform for OpenVPN.
I now need to move to a firewall project on the same or a connected VM
and plan to use Shorewall to generate netfilter configuration.

I noticed however that a needed kernel module has been omitted from the
images used by JeOS (-virtual): nf_conntrack_sip. I will need this to
fixup SIP when doing SNAT.

The server image includes this module but someone decided to leave it
out of JeOS. I could use server but would prefer to carry on using JeOS.
So advice please on the best way to solve this - do I have to go back to
the JeOS kernel development package and build the module myself?

Many thanks

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Re: Issue with JeOS

2008-06-21 Thread Daniel Pittman
Mike Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I also had issues installing VMWare Tools in JeOS most likely
> following the same guide.  I remember posting a thread about the exact
> error message that I got and am having trouble remembering exactly
> what the problem was.
>
> I was surprised that JeOS needed VMWare Tools installed at all given
> that there is no GUI and that apparently the kernel is tuned for
> virtualization and for VMWare.
>
> What are the specific performance gains that VMware Tools provide
> under JeOS?

Yes.  The VMWare Tools include the paravirtualized network drivers and
time sync between the host and client.  They /also/ include some GUI
components, but those are not the heart of the package.

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RE: Issue with JeOS

2008-06-21 Thread Mike Lane

I also had issues installing VMWare Tools in JeOS most likely following the 
same guide. 

I remember posting a thread about the exact error message that I got and am 
having trouble remembering exactly what the problem was.

I was surprised that JeOS needed VMWare Tools installed at all given that there 
is no GUI and that apparently the kernel is tuned for virtualization and for 
VMWare. 

What are the specific performance gains that VMware Tools provide under JeOS?

I will try and find the problem that I had and see if I can find the URL for 
the post that I made on the forums.

Mike

> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:53:39 -0500
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Issue with JeOS
> 
> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 7:38 AM,   wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Not sure if this is the right place to post this - I thought I'd start here, 
>> but will happily re-post if another list is better...
>>
>> I'm running WMware Server 1.06 (latest version, released in May, 200*) and 
>> trying to create a JeOS appliance using 8.04 ISO.
>>
>> Install went fine, but when I followed the instruction in the Ubuntu Server 
>> documentation for installing VMware Tools[0] I noticed several odd things: 
>> most ot the tools it attempts to install fail (it can't find suitable 
>> pre-built tools, and it fails trying to build the proper tools for the 
>> kernel installed).
>>
>> My questions are these:
>>  - Am I safe in assuming that the latest VMserver includes the latest VMware 
>> Tools, as required by JeOS?
>>
>>  - The instructions say to accept all defaults during VMware Tool install, 
>> but doing so reults in a partial install of the tools - is this expected? If 
>> so, the documentation should mention that some attempted builds will fail.
>>
>>  - Where will the correct kernel headers be downloaded from? Does the 
>> "-virtual" extension on the kernel name cause a default install to pick up 
>> the correct header files, or should I edit the sources file for aptitude?
>>
>> While this could be a documentation error, I suspect some minor 
>> configuration issue causes a "default" install of JeOS 8.04 to not build 
>> VMware Tools properly. Again, if this would be better posted elsewhere, 
>> please advise.
>>
>> The exact instructions for installing VMware Tools linked below are repeated 
>> in the "building your first JeOS appliance" write-up, but I can't find the 
>> link right now, sorry.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> [0] 
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/jeos-preparing-os.html#joes-installing-vmwaretools
>>
>>
> 
> Are you sure you did this:
> "sudo aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)"
> 
> It sounds like you are missing some build tool.  Run the above
> command, make sure it executes successfully, then try it again.  If it
> still does not work, giving some more specific error messages may
> help.
> 
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Re: Issue with JeOS

2008-06-21 Thread James Dinkel
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 7:38 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Not sure if this is the right place to post this - I thought I'd start here, 
> but will happily re-post if another list is better...
>
> I'm running WMware Server 1.06 (latest version, released in May, 200*) and 
> trying to create a JeOS appliance using 8.04 ISO.
>
> Install went fine, but when I followed the instruction in the Ubuntu Server 
> documentation for installing VMware Tools[0] I noticed several odd things: 
> most ot the tools it attempts to install fail (it can't find suitable 
> pre-built tools, and it fails trying to build the proper tools for the kernel 
> installed).
>
> My questions are these:
>  - Am I safe in assuming that the latest VMserver includes the latest VMware 
> Tools, as required by JeOS?
>
>  - The instructions say to accept all defaults during VMware Tool install, 
> but doing so reults in a partial install of the tools - is this expected? If 
> so, the documentation should mention that some attempted builds will fail.
>
>  - Where will the correct kernel headers be downloaded from? Does the 
> "-virtual" extension on the kernel name cause a default install to pick up 
> the correct header files, or should I edit the sources file for aptitude?
>
> While this could be a documentation error, I suspect some minor configuration 
> issue causes a "default" install of JeOS 8.04 to not build VMware Tools 
> properly. Again, if this would be better posted elsewhere, please advise.
>
> The exact instructions for installing VMware Tools linked below are repeated 
> in the "building your first JeOS appliance" write-up, but I can't find the 
> link right now, sorry.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken
>
> [0] 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/jeos-preparing-os.html#joes-installing-vmwaretools
>
>

Are you sure you did this:
"sudo aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)"

It sounds like you are missing some build tool.  Run the above
command, make sure it executes successfully, then try it again.  If it
still does not work, giving some more specific error messages may
help.

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Issue with JeOS

2008-06-21 Thread n2vip
Hello all,

Not sure if this is the right place to post this - I thought I'd start here, 
but will happily re-post if another list is better...

I'm running WMware Server 1.06 (latest version, released in May, 200*) and 
trying to create a JeOS appliance using 8.04 ISO.

Install went fine, but when I followed the instruction in the Ubuntu Server 
documentation for installing VMware Tools[0] I noticed several odd things: most 
ot the tools it attempts to install fail (it can't find suitable pre-built 
tools, and it fails trying to build the proper tools for the kernel installed).

My questions are these:
 - Am I safe in assuming that the latest VMserver includes the latest VMware 
Tools, as required by JeOS?

 - The instructions say to accept all defaults during VMware Tool install, but 
doing so reults in a partial install of the tools - is this expected? If so, 
the documentation should mention that some attempted builds will fail.

 - Where will the correct kernel headers be downloaded from? Does the 
"-virtual" extension on the kernel name cause a default install to pick up the 
correct header files, or should I edit the sources file for aptitude?

While this could be a documentation error, I suspect some minor configuration 
issue causes a "default" install of JeOS 8.04 to not build VMware Tools 
properly. Again, if this would be better posted elsewhere, please advise.

The exact instructions for installing VMware Tools linked below are repeated in 
the "building your first JeOS appliance" write-up, but I can't find the link 
right now, sorry.

Thanks,

Ken

[0] 
https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/jeos-preparing-os.html#joes-installing-vmwaretools

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Re: Installing VMWareTools in JeOS

2008-05-06 Thread Ruben Laban
On Friday 02 May 2008, Mike Lane wrote:
> I am following this guide to set up a Virtual Appliance using JeOS:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOS
>
> I run in to a problem with this command: sudo ./vmware-install.pl
>
> When I run it I get a prompt to define the location of killall (which I
> cannot find on my JeOS installation).
>
> A such the installation of VMWareTools is terminated.
>
> Shouldn't killall be a part of the actual installation as part of the
> shutdown sequence?
>
> Seems like I must be missing something really obvious here?


You need to install the "psmisc" package:


$ dpkg -S killall
sysvutils: /usr/share/man/man8/killall5.8.gz
psmisc: /usr/bin/killall
sysvutils: /sbin/killall5
psmisc: /usr/share/man/man1/killall.1.gz


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Installing VMWareTools in JeOS

2008-05-01 Thread Mike Lane

I am following this guide to set up a Virtual Appliance using JeOS: 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOS
 
I run in to a problem with this command: sudo ./vmware-install.pl
 
When I run it I get a prompt to define the location of killall (which I cannot 
find on my JeOS installation).
 
A such the installation of VMWareTools is terminated. 
 
Shouldn't killall be a part of the actual installation as part of the shutdown 
sequence? 
 
Seems like I must be missing something really obvious here?
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Re: JeOS support/documentation for gutsy, plans for hardy

2007-11-21 Thread Neal McBurnett
On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 03:43:27PM -0500, Mathias Gug wrote:
> Hi Neal,
> 
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 12:20:12AM -0700, Neal McBurnett wrote:
> > I think it would be timely to talk some more about JeOS, so I put this
> > on the agenda for tomorrow:
> > 
> >  JeOS support/documentation for gutsy, plans for hardy
> > 
> 
> Thanks for bringing this up. There was a discussion during the IRC meeting
> about various points, but nothing conclusive emerged. So I'm bringing
> this back to the mailing list.

I think it was a very helpful discussion about a great project.
Thankd for the followup.

> > Gutsy JeOS documentation:
> >  Use a wiki page to talk about the .iso and linux-virtual kernel
> >and ubuntu-jeos-builder?
> >  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOS ?
> >  (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM is very helpful on networking)
> 
> It seems that the biggest problem is documentation. Starting with a wiki
> page seems to be a first step in that direction.
> 
> An important point that needs to be clarified is the difference between
> Ubuntu JeOS used as a guest vm and the infrastructure used to generate
> virtual machines or isos.
> 
> nijaba volunteered to write a tutorial for JeOS and agreed to use a wiki
> page for his work (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOS ??).

Yes - thanks!  I'd suggest considering these pages (or sections if they
don't warrent pages) to help separate the concepts:

Definitions, overview, linux-virtual kernel diffs, .iso
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOS

and a howto for ubuntu-jeos-builder or whatever we call it, which
should probably be at wiki.ubuntu.com rather than help.ubuntu.com
since it is really in development.

 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeOS-Builder ??

and perhaps quick HowTo's running thru the use of
the iso (and builder?) with qemu, xen, vmware etc in
sub pages like this, with links to the more extensive pages
on those technologies elsewhere:
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOS/Qemu

> > Mailing list - need a separate list to better include users?
> >  and use the server team list for development?
> 
> I think for now using ubuntu-server as the mailing list is enough. If
> things start to get too noisy here, we can always create an extra mailing
> list. Link to this mailing list should be added to the documentation.

Sounds like a good place to start.  But I sugggest we should be
conscious of both the sensitivity to extra jeos traffic for the
ubuntu-server folks, and the possible desire from jeos users who
don't want the extra server traffic to have a more dedicated list.
But that can wait for their requests

> > Backport of ubuntu-jeos-builder to gutsy?  Use ppas?
> >  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-jeos/
> >  Already much more fun/useful than the ISO I think.
> 
> I've seen some code activity on the project in the last few days. Links
> to bzr branches should be added to the documentation.

Good for now.

> There was also some discussion about new features.  soren mentioned that
> these should be tracked by filing new bugs on Launchpad:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-jeos/+new.

Yup!

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Re: JeOS support/documentation for gutsy, plans for hardy

2007-11-21 Thread Mathias Gug
Hi Neal,

On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 12:20:12AM -0700, Neal McBurnett wrote:
> I think it would be timely to talk some more about JeOS, so I put this
> on the agenda for tomorrow:
> 
>  JeOS support/documentation for gutsy, plans for hardy
> 

Thanks for bringing this up. There was a discussion during the IRC meeting
about various points, but nothing conclusive emerged. So I'm bringing
this back to the mailing list.


> Gutsy JeOS documentation:
>  Use a wiki page to talk about the .iso and linux-virtual kernel
>and ubuntu-jeos-builder?
>  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOS ?
>  (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM is very helpful on networking)

It seems that the biggest problem is documentation. Starting with a wiki
page seems to be a first step in that direction.

An important point that needs to be clarified is the difference between
Ubuntu JeOS used as a guest vm and the infrastructure used to generate
virtual machines or isos.

nijaba volunteered to write a tutorial for JeOS and agreed to use a wiki
page for his work (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOS ??).

> Mailing list - need a separate list to better include users?
>  and use the server team list for development?

I think for now using ubuntu-server as the mailing list is enough. If
things start to get too noisy here, we can always create an extra mailing
list. Link to this mailing list should be added to the documentation.

> Backport of ubuntu-jeos-builder to gutsy?  Use ppas?
>  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-jeos/
>  Already much more fun/useful than the ISO I think.

I've seen some code activity on the project in the last few days. Links
to bzr branches should be added to the documentation.

There was also some discussion about new features.  soren mentioned that
these should be tracked by filing new bugs on Launchpad:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-jeos/+new.

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JeOS support/documentation for gutsy, plans for hardy

2007-11-19 Thread Neal McBurnett
I think it would be timely to talk some more about JeOS, so I put this
on the agenda for tomorrow:

 JeOS support/documentation for gutsy, plans for hardy

We've got a nice press release and coverage, but not much helpful
stuff for users.

Here are a few links and thoughts.

Announcement:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2007-November/000106.html

See e.g. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-jeos/+bug/163786
and existing discussion at 

 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=549222

for the sorts of questions that many users are bringing up.

Gutsy JeOS documentation:
 Use a wiki page to talk about the .iso and linux-virtual kernel
   and ubuntu-jeos-builder?
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOS ?
 (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM is very helpful on networking)

Mailing list - need a separate list to better include users?
 and use the server team list for development?

Backport of ubuntu-jeos-builder to gutsy?  Use ppas?
 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-jeos/
 Already much more fun/useful than the ISO I think.

Neal McBurnett http://mcburnett.org/neal/

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JeOS release?

2007-10-18 Thread Sebastian Bassi
Hello,

I understood that JeOS was going to be released with Ubuntu 7.10. Is
there any information about it? (apart from the press release from
September).


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