Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-12 Thread lukefromdc
Kdenlive comes with a lot of dependencies but also a hell of a lot of capability combined with a GUI not as different from the paid video editors as blender's video editing GUI. It does add a lot of dependencies, but lots of times someone ends up needing one KDE application anyway, Right now the

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-12 Thread lukefromdc
One thing about Openshot: It shares the same backend as kdenlive, but you must make sure that in a finished distro they are both depending on the same versions of melt or installing one blocks the other. I've run into this with ppa versions of kdenlive blocking openshot from installing. I was

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-12 Thread lukefromdc
Be careful not to over-simplify, that's part of what a lot of people don't like about GNOME these days. On 5/12/2015 at 9:21 AM, ttoine tto...@ttoine.net wrote: I agree, we need more simplification. Le 12 mai 2015 12:49, Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com a écrit : While we are at it with the

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-12 Thread Set Hallström
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 7:36 PM, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Kdenlive comes with a lot of dependencies but also a hell of a lot of capability combined with a GUI not as different from the paid video editors as blender's video editing GUI. It does add a lot of dependencies, but lots of

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-12 Thread Set Hallstrom
On 2015-05-12 12:29, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: I don't see Blender replacing PiTiVi and/or OpenShot. We have not worked that much with the categories yet but in my view: -= Simple Video Editor =- PiTiVi vs OpenShot -= Advanced Video Editor =- Kdenlive vs Blender I think we need both an

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-12 Thread ttoine
Pitivi is being completely rewriten and the current 0.94 is miss a few thing, and is quite stable. Openshot is not stable, that it a real issue. Otherwise it would be a good alternative to iMovie. Blender can be very interesting, but it needs some preparation to really be focused on Video. (I

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-12 Thread Jimmy Sjölund
I don't see Blender replacing PiTiVi and/or OpenShot. We have not worked that much with the categories yet but in my view: -= Simple Video Editor =- PiTiVi vs OpenShot -= Advanced Video Editor =- Kdenlive vs Blender I think we need both an easy option similar to what is presented on Windows and

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-12 Thread ttoine
I agree, we need one simple and one advanced. With kdenlive, however, come a lot of KDE dependencies. It will add weight to install I so, and is not great for performance. Blender is a desktop agnostic application, that is why it is my main choice, + you can use it in jacks, sync transport with

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-12 Thread Alexandru Băluț
Both OpenShot and Pitivi have been in the stage of backend rewrite for some time: In https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/421164014/openshot-video-editor-for-windows-mac-and-linux/description Jonathan Thomas said he's developing a new, revolutionary, cross-platform backend since 2011. I checked

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-12 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
You guys mention blender its not for normal videos. It is more for 3d animated movies etc. On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:43 AM, ttoine tto...@ttoine.net wrote: Pitivi is being completely rewriten and the current 0.94 is miss a few thing, and is quite stable. Openshot is not stable, that it a

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-12 Thread Set Hallstrom
My frustration issues with pitivi and openshot are not the lack of features, its stability. They both hate my hair and have forced me to pull it off too many times. My first editing was on iMovie then later finalcut, then kdenliv and finaly blender. My opinion about blender is that it's erroneous

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-12 Thread Set Hallstrom
While we are at it with the ubuntustudio-video X, I would also like to propose the following: - Remove the Audio editing subcategory - Remove inkscape - Move Brasero and DVD styler to ubuntustudio-publishing-x I can see why inkscape fits, since you might want to create title cards and such, but

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-12 Thread ttoine
I agree, we need more simplification. Le 12 mai 2015 12:49, Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com a écrit : While we are at it with the ubuntustudio-video X, I would also like to propose the following: - Remove the Audio editing subcategory - Remove inkscape - Move Brasero and DVD styler to

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-12 Thread Len Ovens
On Tue, 12 May 2015, Set Hallstrom wrote: While we are at it with the ubuntustudio-video X, I would also like to propose the following: - Remove the Audio editing subcategory - Remove inkscape - Move Brasero and DVD styler to ubuntustudio-publishing-x I can see why inkscape fits, since you

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-12 Thread Set Hallstrom
On 2015-05-12 11:43, ttoine wrote: Pitivi is being completely rewriten and the current 0.94 is miss a few thing, and is quite stable. Thats good news! I felt an instant regret after sending that hair rant without even opening a rant tag... i hope no-one got offended. Openshot is not stable,

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-12 Thread Ross Gammon
Good discussion everyone! Reducing options has also come up in the Debian Multimedia team. Several people there agreed that it would be nice to have a basic setup in each category for new users, and then a pro setup. How do we make users aware of the choice? Then if we could find a way to make

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-12 Thread ttoine
Users will find their way very easily: they will try the software and see immediately if the learning curve is easy or not. Antoine THOMAS Tél: 0663137906 2015-05-12 16:51 GMT+02:00 Ross Gammon ret...@the-gammons.net: Good discussion everyone! Reducing options has also come up in the Debian

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-11 Thread Set Hallstrom
Hi! On 2015-05-11 10:25, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: Blueprint changed by Jimmy Sjölund: Whiteboard set to: - Investige implication of Kdenlive becoming official KDE application and future development, impact of kde libraries etc.: TODO This is an interesting question! At the moment, there are 4

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-11 Thread Jimmy Sjölund
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:39 PM, WMID wachin...@gmail.com wrote: Jimm can you said me the name of this Swedish film maker who's latest project are entirely done in Kdenlive, and the web page, or the youtube channel That would be Martin Munthe, who has been somewhat active in the IRC on a

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-11 Thread Jimmy Sjölund
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! On 2015-05-11 10:25, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: Blueprint changed by Jimmy Sjölund: Whiteboard set to: - Investige implication of Kdenlive becoming official KDE application and future development, impact of kde

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-11 Thread WMID
Jimm can you said me the name of this Swedish film maker who's latest project are entirely done in Kdenlive, and the web page, or the youtube channel 2015-05-11 7:32 GMT-05:00 Jimmy Sjölund ji...@sjolund.se: On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Set Hallstrom sakrec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! On

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-11 Thread lukefromdc
Lightworks is not Free and not open source at this time. It also phones home for licensing just like in Windows, and without the source you do not know what it is sending. No way I'm giving a blob known to phone home access to my raw clips, given that I shoot activist news videos from places like

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [Blueprint ubuntustudio-video-x] ubuntustudio-video X

2015-05-11 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
On Mon, May 11, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Set Hallstrom wrote: Hi! On 2015-05-11 10:25, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: Blueprint changed by Jimmy Sjölund: Whiteboard set to: - Investige implication of Kdenlive becoming official KDE application and future development, impact of kde libraries etc.: TODO