Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Libre Office for Ubuntu Studio
Am 02.08.2013 13:40, schrieb Kaj Ailomaa: We're currently moving towards becoming desktop environment agnostic, That I consider an excellent decision! One of the greatest pros for Linux is that it does not paternalize the user with only one choice for the DE. Maybe XFCE could remain the recommended default but to point the users to the fact, that they can always choose any other available surface is absolutely wise. so that would leave us with these problems to solve: When the user installs Ubuntu Studio, they will choose which DE they want. We'll try to include as many as we can. For XFCE it will either be xfce4 or xubuntu-desktop. We'll want to override some things - at least artwork. The less, the better, as it leaves us with less maintenance work and we can focus on the multimedia bit. We won't have our own set of primary desktop tools, unless we decide we want a package like that to override applications in other DEs. I don't see the point in this, but it's a possibility. So, if we don't have our own primary desktop tools, what is left is our workflows. At least Libre Office Writer could be included in our publishing workflow. These problems are to be solved for 14.04, and the discussion of this is better suited for the ubuntu-studio-devel mail list. Just letting you guys know a bit of what is going on. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Libre Office for Ubuntu Studio
Am 02.08.2013 12:31, schrieb Abhayadev S: i am also in the opinion of saving disk space.. And why do you? On any HD, that is big enough for even a humble A/V-Production another 100-200 MB for an Officesuite, that may prove handy sometimes is irrelevant. At times i am helpless that some of the tools could not be removed unless the entire Audio is not removed.. I was puzzeled also when I saw these messages some years ago. Do not fear! The meta-packages like US-audio are not the real packages but only lists of them. Removing a meta-package does *not* remove the software installed by it. is that so or just i missed some other options? Regards, Abhayadev S http://sites.google.com/site/abhayadevs On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: I would remove Libre Office and install AbiWord. IMO it doesn't matter what Office software is installed, it's easy to remove and/or install other office software. Keep in mind that AbiWord is the default for Xubuntu, so it's less work to make the distro. The smaller the DVD image is, the faster we can download it. In the past I used Open Office, but I switched to AbiWord, since Open/Libre Office is to bloated for my needs. Regarding to the need of RAM and CPU resources it shouldn't make a difference, since I guess nobody need to run it during an audio production. IMO Nano-Basket, an editor for the much used KORG nanoKONTROL and JSynthLib, an editor for several hardware synth, are more useful for most of us, than heavy office software. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Libre Office for Ubuntu Studio
I totally LOVE Ubu Studio 13.04; am using 64 bit. What is the ubuntu-studio-devel mail list? Since the forums are down until the hackers invasion problem is solved, and I am a slow typer, mailing lists and forums are my best choice. There are a multitude of IRC's (I avoid because of my lacking typing skills), wikis, advice related sites, etc., out there and I am still unaware of the Linux world suggested prorocols! Cheers, Leo From: Hartmut Noack zettber...@linuxuse.de To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Libre Office for Ubuntu Studio Am 02.08.2013 13:40, schrieb Kaj Ailomaa: We're currently moving towards becoming desktop environment agnostic, That I consider an excellent decision! One of the greatest pros for Linux is that it does not paternalize the user with only one choice for the DE. Maybe XFCE could remain the recommended default but to point the users to the fact, that they can always choose any other available surface is absolutely wise. so that would leave us with these problems to solve: When the user installs Ubuntu Studio, they will choose which DE theyubuntu-studio-devel mail lis want. We'll try to include as many as we can. For XFCE it will either be xfce4 or xubuntu-desktop. We'll want to override some things - at least artwork. The less, the better, as it leaves us with less maintenance work and we can focus on the multimedia bit. We won't have our own set of primary desktop tools, unless we decide we want a package like that to override applications in other DEs. I don't see the point in this, but it's a possibility. So, if we don't have our own primary desktop tools, what is left is our workflows. At least Libre Office Writer could be included in our publishing workflow. These problems are to be solved for 14.04, and the discussion of this is better suited for the ubuntu-studio-devel mail list. Just letting you guys know a bit of what is going on. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users-- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Libre Office for Ubuntu Studio
Hi Leo, Actually, Ubuntu Forums is BACK UP. Sorry for not telling you and the mailing list that. You will have to use Ubuntu Single Sign-on to use the Forums, but otherwise it's the same old stuff. Ubuntu-Studio-Devel list is for interested developers and contributors of Ubuntu Studio, in which we discuss development, testing, documentation, artwork and other matters. Regards, Howard Chan (smartboyhw) Ubuntu Studio Release Manager. 2013/8/6 leo le...@yahoo.com: I totally LOVE Ubu Studio 13.04; am using 64 bit. What is the ubuntu-studio-devel mail list? Since the forums are down until the hackers invasion problem is solved, and I am a slow typer, mailing lists and forums are my best choice. There are a multitude of IRC's (I avoid because of my lacking typing skills), wikis, advice related sites, etc., out there and I am still unaware of the Linux world suggested prorocols! Cheers, Leo From: Hartmut Noack zettber...@linuxuse.de To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Libre Office for Ubuntu Studio Am 02.08.2013 13:40, schrieb Kaj Ailomaa: We're currently moving towards becoming desktop environment agnostic, That I consider an excellent decision! One of the greatest pros for Linux is that it does not paternalize the user with only one choice for the DE. Maybe XFCE could remain the recommended default but to point the users to the fact, that they can always choose any other available surface is absolutely wise. so that would leave us with these problems to solve: When the user installs Ubuntu Studio, they will choose which DE theyubuntu-studio-devel mail lis want. We'll try to include as many as we can. For XFCE it will either be xfce4 or xubuntu-desktop. We'll want to override some things - at least artwork. The less, the better, as it leaves us with less maintenance work and we can focus on the multimedia bit. We won't have our own set of primary desktop tools, unless we decide we want a package like that to override applications in other DEs. I don't see the point in this, but it's a possibility. So, if we don't have our own primary desktop tools, what is left is our workflows. At least Libre Office Writer could be included in our publishing workflow. These problems are to be solved for 14.04, and the discussion of this is better suited for the ubuntu-studio-devel mail list. Just letting you guys know a bit of what is going on. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Libre Office for Ubuntu Studio
On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Syamsul Arifin relungim...@gmail.comwrote: I couldn't see the table when i open docx file. So installed libreoffice. I have founded no problem. I think libreoffice is needed for graphic designer like me who using scribus. Thanks As the different workflows are to be reviewed, could you describe in what way you need LibreOffice in combination with Scribus? Is it LibreOffice Writer mainly or other applications from the office suit as well? -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Libre Office for Ubuntu Studio
I agree with Ralf. On 2013-08-02 12:12, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I would remove Libre Office and install AbiWord. IMO it doesn't matter what Office software is installed, it's easy to remove and/or install other office software. Keep in mind that AbiWord is the default for Xubuntu, so it's less work to make the distro. The smaller the DVD image is, the faster we can download it. In the past I used Open Office, but I switched to AbiWord, since Open/Libre Office is to bloated for my needs. Regarding to the need of RAM and CPU resources it shouldn't make a difference, since I guess nobody need to run it during an audio production. IMO Nano-Basket, an editor for the much used KORG nanoKONTROL and JSynthLib, an editor for several hardware synth, are more useful for most of us, than heavy office software. -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com WARNING: Remember clear-text email is subject to mass surveillance systems. Alone this information is useless. Our summed communications are worth humanity. Please keep in mind Internet is a boulevard in a crowded virtual city. Privacy is found under the cloaks. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Libre Office for Ubuntu Studio
I think a DE-agnostic evolution is very desirable! Also I agree that less (programs) is better. As much as I've learnt to appreciate libreoffice, even installing it on kde, I don't see a point to include it in Ubuntu Studio. That's what we've got repos for... Thank you very much for your efforts, Kaj, and keep up the good work! Alf On 02. aug. 2013 13:40, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: We're currently moving towards becoming desktop environment agnostic, so that would leave us with these problems to solve: When the user installs Ubuntu Studio, they will choose which DE they want. We'll try to include as many as we can. For XFCE it will either be xfce4 or xubuntu-desktop. We'll want to override some things - at least artwork. The less, the better, as it leaves us with less maintenance work and we can focus on the multimedia bit. We won't have our own set of primary desktop tools, unless we decide we want a package like that to override applications in other DEs. I don't see the point in this, but it's a possibility. So, if we don't have our own primary desktop tools, what is left is our workflows. At least Libre Office Writer could be included in our publishing workflow. These problems are to be solved for 14.04, and the discussion of this is better suited for the ubuntu-studio-devel mail list. Just letting you guys know a bit of what is going on. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
[ubuntu-studio-users] Libre Office for Ubuntu Studio
I think it is a good idea for the Ubuntu Studio Team to add Libre Office in Ubuntu Studio DVD. Libre Office is helpful for me when i am using Scribus. Sorry my english is bad. -- Syamsul isul Arifin Book: PMS (Penyakit Menular Seluar) http://www.mizan.com/index.php?fuseaction=buku_fullid=3590 http://www.cartoonesia.web.id -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Libre Office for Ubuntu Studio
You could always download and use it... Regards, Abhayadev S http://sites.google.com/site/abhayadevs On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Syamsul Arifin relungim...@gmail.comwrote: I think it is a good idea for the Ubuntu Studio Team to add Libre Office in Ubuntu Studio DVD. Libre Office is helpful for me when i am using Scribus. Sorry my english is bad. -- Syamsul isul Arifin Book: PMS (Penyakit Menular Seluar) http://www.mizan.com/index.php?fuseaction=buku_fullid=3590 http://www.cartoonesia.web.id -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Libre Office for Ubuntu Studio
Hello Syamsul, We are discussing whether to put LibreOffice into our DVD images. The reason for us not to put it in before is that we are based on Xubuntu (which same as us does not have LibreOffice as default). We might add it to our future images. We will decide in due course. Thank you for your suggestion. Regards, Howard Chan (smartboyhw) Ubuntu Studio Release Manager 2013/8/2 Syamsul Arifin relungim...@gmail.com: I think it is a good idea for the Ubuntu Studio Team to add Libre Office in Ubuntu Studio DVD. Libre Office is helpful for me when i am using Scribus. Sorry my english is bad. -- Syamsul isul Arifin Book: PMS (Penyakit Menular Seluar) http://www.mizan.com/index.php?fuseaction=buku_fullid=3590 http://www.cartoonesia.web.id -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Libre Office for Ubuntu Studio
I like the idea of including LibreOffice. It's what I missed most from the DVD image. A complete package of office tools many would make use of, IMO. But I am a 'general software single pc owner'. ;^) Still, is LibreOffice what UStudio is about? Is it useful to many, or few? Berto On 2013-08-02 11:35 AM, steve wrote: I would certainly take the opposite view. I use studio for just that. I value the space on my local hard disk for recording want as little on the machine that may reduce that or slow it down. Is there a compromise? Say a package extras as an option to include the more general software single pc owners. I particularly object when I try to remove a package Ubuntu insists on removing the entire windows manager. Steve Ho Wan Chan smartbo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Syamsul, We are discussing whether to put LibreOffice into our DVD images. The reason for us not to put it in before is that we are based on Xubuntu (which same as us does not have LibreOffice as default). We might add it to our future images. We will decide in due course. Thank you for your suggestion. Regards, Howard Chan (smartboyhw) Ubuntu Studio Release Manager 2013/8/2 Syamsul Arifin relungim...@gmail.com: I think it is a good idea for the Ubuntu Studio Team to add Libre Office in Ubuntu Studio DVD. Libre Office is helpful for me when i am using Scribus. Sorry my english is bad. -- Syamsul isul Arifin Book: PMS (Penyakit Menular Seluar) http://www.mizan.com/index.php?fuseaction=buku_fullid=3590 http://www.cartoonesia.web.id -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Libre Office for Ubuntu Studio
I would remove Libre Office and install AbiWord. IMO it doesn't matter what Office software is installed, it's easy to remove and/or install other office software. Keep in mind that AbiWord is the default for Xubuntu, so it's less work to make the distro. The smaller the DVD image is, the faster we can download it. In the past I used Open Office, but I switched to AbiWord, since Open/Libre Office is to bloated for my needs. Regarding to the need of RAM and CPU resources it shouldn't make a difference, since I guess nobody need to run it during an audio production. IMO Nano-Basket, an editor for the much used KORG nanoKONTROL and JSynthLib, an editor for several hardware synth, are more useful for most of us, than heavy office software. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Libre Office for Ubuntu Studio
i am also in the opinion of saving disk space.. At times i am helpless that some of the tools could not be removed unless the entire Audio is not removed.. is that so or just i missed some other options? Regards, Abhayadev S http://sites.google.com/site/abhayadevs On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: I would remove Libre Office and install AbiWord. IMO it doesn't matter what Office software is installed, it's easy to remove and/or install other office software. Keep in mind that AbiWord is the default for Xubuntu, so it's less work to make the distro. The smaller the DVD image is, the faster we can download it. In the past I used Open Office, but I switched to AbiWord, since Open/Libre Office is to bloated for my needs. Regarding to the need of RAM and CPU resources it shouldn't make a difference, since I guess nobody need to run it during an audio production. IMO Nano-Basket, an editor for the much used KORG nanoKONTROL and JSynthLib, an editor for several hardware synth, are more useful for most of us, than heavy office software. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Libre Office for Ubuntu Studio
We're currently moving towards becoming desktop environment agnostic, so that would leave us with these problems to solve: When the user installs Ubuntu Studio, they will choose which DE they want. We'll try to include as many as we can. For XFCE it will either be xfce4 or xubuntu-desktop. We'll want to override some things - at least artwork. The less, the better, as it leaves us with less maintenance work and we can focus on the multimedia bit. We won't have our own set of primary desktop tools, unless we decide we want a package like that to override applications in other DEs. I don't see the point in this, but it's a possibility. So, if we don't have our own primary desktop tools, what is left is our workflows. At least Libre Office Writer could be included in our publishing workflow. These problems are to be solved for 14.04, and the discussion of this is better suited for the ubuntu-studio-devel mail list. Just letting you guys know a bit of what is going on. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Libre Office for Ubuntu Studio
I think I agree with Ralf -- not a rare thing. When I first learned about Ubuntu Studio I took the for creative humans line seriously and I guess literally. I am a film-maker and writer (sort of not-very-retired) and a serious amateur fine-art photographer. Oddly, I never thought of Studio as solely for sound folks, even though I subscribe to and read LAU because silent films have become oddly unpopular over the years.. I use Libre, but I also like and use Abi on my laptops. I guess my vote would be to use the smaller one on the initial download, but make sure there is nothing in the distro that would prevent using Libre, Abi, or OpenOffice or post a clear warning about any conflicts if there are any. Also, having the suggested (and presumably tested with the distro) additional tools obviates a lot of this discussion, doesn't it? Pete On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: I would remove Libre Office and install AbiWord. IMO it doesn't matter what Office software is installed, it's easy to remove and/or install other office software. Keep in mind that AbiWord is the default for Xubuntu, so it's less work to make the distro. The smaller the DVD image is, the faster we can download it. In the past I used Open Office, but I switched to AbiWord, since Open/Libre Office is to bloated for my needs. Regarding to the need of RAM and CPU resources it shouldn't make a difference, since I guess nobody need to run it during an audio production. IMO Nano-Basket, an editor for the much used KORG nanoKONTROL and JSynthLib, an editor for several hardware synth, are more useful for most of us, than heavy office software. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Libre Office for Ubuntu Studio
Thank for all feed back. I Have installed abiword. It's a good software. but i need a software with more feature like libre office. I have a problem with abiword. I couldn't see the table when i open docx file. So installed libreoffice. I have founded no problem. I think libreoffice is needed for graphic designer like me who using scribus. Thanks On 8/3/13, Pete Wright pnwri...@gmail.com wrote: I think I agree with Ralf -- not a rare thing. When I first learned about Ubuntu Studio I took the for creative humans line seriously and I guess literally. I am a film-maker and writer (sort of not-very-retired) and a serious amateur fine-art photographer. Oddly, I never thought of Studio as solely for sound folks, even though I subscribe to and read LAU because silent films have become oddly unpopular over the years.. I use Libre, but I also like and use Abi on my laptops. I guess my vote would be to use the smaller one on the initial download, but make sure there is nothing in the distro that would prevent using Libre, Abi, or OpenOffice or post a clear warning about any conflicts if there are any. Also, having the suggested (and presumably tested with the distro) additional tools obviates a lot of this discussion, doesn't it? Pete On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: I would remove Libre Office and install AbiWord. IMO it doesn't matter what Office software is installed, it's easy to remove and/or install other office software. Keep in mind that AbiWord is the default for Xubuntu, so it's less work to make the distro. The smaller the DVD image is, the faster we can download it. In the past I used Open Office, but I switched to AbiWord, since Open/Libre Office is to bloated for my needs. Regarding to the need of RAM and CPU resources it shouldn't make a difference, since I guess nobody need to run it during an audio production. IMO Nano-Basket, an editor for the much used KORG nanoKONTROL and JSynthLib, an editor for several hardware synth, are more useful for most of us, than heavy office software. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Syamsul isul Arifin Book: PMS (Penyakit Menular Seluar) http://www.mizan.com/index.php?fuseaction=buku_fullid=3590 http://www.cartoonesia.web.id -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
