Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Liam Proven
On 2 December 2011 12:19, Kris Douglas wrote: > On 2 December 2011 10:36, Colin Law wrote: >> On 2 December 2011 10:27, Kris Douglas wrote: >>> [snip] >>> I have found myself leaving the Unity interface, which is completely >>> anti-developer, and moved to XFCE, which is providing me with >>> ev

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Liam Proven
On 2 December 2011 11:58, paul sutton wrote: > > I am sure if you got to Microsoft or Apple or any other BIG player you > get a fast response. Erm. I'm not sure here, so I am asking: you /are/ making a joke here, aren't you? If not: have you ever actually tried to report a bug or get help with a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Liam Proven
On 2 December 2011 11:30, Simon Greenwood wrote: > > For my 2p worth, I'm happy with Unity as I like the paradigm of the GUI, > having returned to Linux after many years of OS X. I think it is easier if you have Mac experience. If all someone knows is Windows, they're lost. > The only issues I s

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Liam Proven
On 2 December 2011 10:27, Kris Douglas wrote: > I have found that the complete lack of window management for multiple > monitors I am using dual 21" monitors with a 3200*1200 desktop. Unity works very well indeed in this setup, with 2 top panels with different sets of menus in them - so I am bet

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The Next Happy Hour - Thursday 8th December, Surbiton (west London)

2011-12-02 Thread Liam Proven
On 23 November 2011 19:24, Dan Fish wrote: > Liam, > Thanks for that. I'm doing a reconnaissance mission tomorrow evening. > Regards > Dan So it's less than a week to the next Happy Hour now. Decided on a venue yet? My mate in Surbiton brought it down to 2 close to the station, I think: the Surb

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Tony Pursell
On 2 December 2011 23:36, Paul Tansom wrote: > ** Alan Pope [2011-12-02 11:03]: > > On 01/12/11 23:52, thegeeksquad...@ymail.com wrote: > > >Is Ubuntu going in the wrong direction? > > > > I personally don't believe so, no. I personally think it's going in > > exactly the _right_ direction, but

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Paul Tansom
** Alan Pope [2011-12-02 11:03]: > On 01/12/11 23:52, thegeeksquad...@ymail.com wrote: > >Is Ubuntu going in the wrong direction? > > I personally don't believe so, no. I personally think it's going in > exactly the _right_ direction, but some people seem obsessed by > yesterday, today and tomorr

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
That's the only bit I need really though. Permission to use the logo alongside my own marketing material so that people recognise I'm offering more than windows support. On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Paul Tansom wrote: > ** Gareth France [2011-12-02 12:35]: > > I have also now applied to the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] How to use AskUbuntu, was: Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Paul Tansom
** Alan Pope [2011-12-02 13:38]: > On 02/12/11 12:49, paul sutton wrote: > >I hope new ubuntu users don't get this, it just seems like techno > >babble, and will scare people away. > > I just made this video in my lunch hour. Actually it took about 3 > minutes to make, so still plenty of time for

Re: [ubuntu-uk] costume launcher on unity?

2011-12-02 Thread Andres
I was unable to do the script, lack of knolwdge on how paths, and bash scripts work. For example if my bash is called skype how do i make it call that instead of the normal skype? I went through the desktop app option. But if I put it in laucher it looks like a general app and not like the sk

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Paul Tansom
** Gareth France [2011-12-02 12:35]: > I have also now applied to the partner program. My problem has been that I > can't even find someone in Canonical to tell me what I should be doing or > applying to. 2 email pasted below. ** end quote [Gareth France] I applied for the partner program a year

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction? - posters

2011-12-02 Thread paul sutton
On 02/12/11 21:43, Barry Drake wrote: > On 02/12/11 21:40, Andres wrote: >> Hi,thanks for the link but in >> Alt+SysRq+R+S+E+I+U+B >> but what is the SysRq button? is it in all keyboards? >> > > Normally it is the Prt Scr button - t is labelled Prt Scr / SysRq on > most keyboards. > > actually that

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction? - posters

2011-12-02 Thread Andres
On -10/01/37 20:59, Colin Law wrote: On 2 December 2011 21:40, Andres wrote: On -10/01/37 20:59, paul sutton wrote: Ok, this is what i created myself http://www.zleap.net/portfolio.html first item in the list, if someone has time and can help me by making improvements then that would be g

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Printer Problem

2011-12-02 Thread Colin Law
On 2 December 2011 22:07, Michael Daniels wrote: > > >> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 21:00:55 + >> From: ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com > >> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Printer Problem >> >> On 02/12/11 20:51, Neil Greenwood wrote: >> > Ahh, I've also just noticed on the Po

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Printer Problem

2011-12-02 Thread Michael Daniels
> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 21:00:55 + > From: ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com > To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Printer Problem > > On 02/12/11 20:51, Neil Greenwood wrote: > > Ahh, I've also just noticed on the Policies tab (I'm using 11.04, so > > it might be slightly d

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction? - posters

2011-12-02 Thread Colin Law
On 2 December 2011 21:40, Andres wrote: > On -10/01/37 20:59, paul sutton wrote: >> >> >> >> Ok,  this is what i created myself >> >> http://www.zleap.net/portfolio.html >> >> first item in the list, if someone has time and can help me by making >> improvements then that would be great.  I under s

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction? - posters

2011-12-02 Thread Barry Drake
On 02/12/11 21:40, Andres wrote: Hi,thanks for the link but in Alt+SysRq+R+S+E+I+U+B but what is the SysRq button? is it in all keyboards? Normally it is the Prt Scr button - t is labelled Prt Scr / SysRq on most keyboards. -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. htt

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction? - posters

2011-12-02 Thread Andres
On -10/01/37 20:59, paul sutton wrote: Ok, this is what i created myself http://www.zleap.net/portfolio.html first item in the list, if someone has time and can help me by making improvements then that would be great. I under stand that people are busy. Paul Hi,thanks for the link bu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Printer Problem

2011-12-02 Thread Barry Drake
On 02/12/11 20:51, Neil Greenwood wrote: Ahh, I've also just noticed on the Policies tab (I'm using 11.04, so it might be slightly different), there's an "Operation Policy" setting, which has the values "Default behaviour" and "Authenticated" - mine is set to "Default", so check yours isn't set

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Printer Problem

2011-12-02 Thread Neil Greenwood
On Dydd Gwener 02 mis Rhagfyr 2011 19:56:42 GMT, Michael Daniels wrote: > > From: clan...@googlemail.com > > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 15:52:16 + > > To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Printer Problem > > @Michael. If you go to System Settings > Printers and right click the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Printer Problem

2011-12-02 Thread Michael Daniels
> From: clan...@googlemail.com > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 15:52:16 + > To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Printer Problem > > On 2 December 2011 15:39, Barry Drake wrote: > > I've had a posting off-list from Michael, and replied as follows. Does this > > make sense? >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Sean Miller
Personally I think Unity is fairly awful on the desktop, but - let's face it - the future of computing is not the desktop it's mobile devices, tablets etc. etc. Ubuntu is positioning itself so that when the next generation of machines come around it'll be right up there with Windows etc. - if Ubun

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Barebones computers - was Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Barry Drake
On 02/12/11 18:47, Alan Bell wrote: It's nakedcomputers.org and the UK page is http://nakedcomputers.org/category/europe/uk/ I have a feeling that someone on this list maintains it, but it looks a bit out of date to me. Anyone her know any more about it? If it is no longer mainained, I'm in

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Dave Morley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/12/11 12:20, Gareth France wrote: > > I just can't imagine that a single person's mind will be changed > by this thread. If the original post is taken at face value then > it's clear that a strong opinion has already been formed. > > > Absolut

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Barebones computers - was Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Alan Bell
On 02/12/11 18:39, Barry Drake wrote: On 02/12/11 18:25, Ron Rhodes wrote: Barry, Can you provide a link to the "barebones site" please. Regards, Ron. It's nakedcomputers.org and the UK page is http://nakedcomputers.org/category/europe/uk/ I have a feeling that someone on this list maintai

[ubuntu-uk] Barebones computers - was Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Barry Drake
On 02/12/11 18:25, Ron Rhodes wrote: Barry, Can you provide a link to the "barebones site" please. Regards, Ron. It's nakedcomputers.org and the UK page is http://nakedcomputers.org/category/europe/uk/ I have a feeling that someone on this list maintains it, but it looks a bit out of date t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Ron Rhodes
On 02/12/11 17:45, Barry Drake wrote: Snip Granted it's awkward to edit, but anyhow, I've added you to it. Often wondered if anybody actually finds it though. Same with the 'barebones' site. Be nice if there were links from the Ubuntu site that were prominent enough. I can't help there though. S

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
Are you trying to insinuate something? lol On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Barry Drake wrote: > On 02/12/11 17:44, Gareth France wrote: > >> Lol oh dear, you've changed the name of my business by the looks of it. >> I'm not sure what the P stands for. >> > > Oops . Better now! Sorry. CPS i

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Barry Drake
On 02/12/11 17:44, Gareth France wrote: Lol oh dear, you've changed the name of my business by the looks of it. I'm not sure what the P stands for. Oops . Better now! Sorry. CPS is Crown Prosecution service I hope it wasn't a Freudian slip. Regards,Barry. -- Barry Drake

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
The ONLY entry I have once I click show editing options is logout. Thanks for correcting it though. On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Barry Drake wrote: > On 02/12/11 17:22, Gareth France wrote: > >> I did log in, it gave me an empty editing tools bar and no cursor. It was >> like viewing the page

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Barry Drake
On 02/12/11 17:22, Gareth France wrote: I did log in, it gave me an empty editing tools bar and no cursor. It was like viewing the page with a little less real estate! Granted it's awkward to edit, but anyhow, I've added you to it. Often wondered if anybody actually finds it though. Same wit

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
Lol oh dear, you've changed the name of my business by the looks of it. I'm not sure what the P stands for. On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Barry Drake wrote: > On 02/12/11 17:11, Gareth France wrote: > >> I can see you were the last to edit the pre-installed wiki but I don't >> know how. It didn

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
I did log in, it gave me an empty editing tools bar and no cursor. It was like viewing the page with a little less real estate! Company name CTS, website www.cliftonts.co.uk, Without windows: yes Desktops: yes Laptops: yes Netbooks: yes A mix of new and second user machines. Thanks, you're a star

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Barry Drake
On 02/12/11 17:11, Gareth France wrote: I can see you were the last to edit the pre-installed wiki but I don't know how. It didn't seemto like me for some reason. You have to log in first (wiki page top right), then an edit like appears at the bottom of the page. But if you send me what

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Barry Drake
On 02/12/11 17:02, Gareth France wrote: I'll look into that wiki, never heard of it. Of course you'll never get an instant response to a new problem but the number of times I have posted in ubuntuforums and not had any reply or it's just suddenly tailed off, I wouuld hope a paid for subscriptio

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
I can see you were the last to edit the pre-installed wiki but I don't know how. It didn't seemto like me for some reason. On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Barry Drake wrote: > On 02/12/11 15:57, Gareth France wrote: > >> Very true, I'm quite new here so I don't really know anyone yet. Oddly >> en

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 02/12/11 16:29, Barry Drake wrote: Yes - I was in London last Spring, an felt quite out of place as a Barry with no less than three Alans . but they assured me that you don't have to be called Alan to join the community. This is true. But being Alan is just cool. As I've never been on

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
Already done, now fingers crossed I'll get added. Thanks On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Tony Pursell wrote: > > > On 2 December 2011 12:52, Gareth France wrote: > >> So how do I go about getting on this list then? > > > If you go to > > http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
I'll look into that wiki, never heard of it. Of course you'll never get an instant response to a new problem but the number of times I have posted in ubuntuforums and not had any reply or it's just suddenly tailed off, I wouuld hope a paid for subscription would put the effort in to find a solution

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Tony Pursell
On 2 December 2011 12:52, Gareth France wrote: > So how do I go about getting on this list then? If you go to http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/ there is a link at the bottom of the page (but I don't know where it will lead you!) Also, a tho

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Barry Drake
On 02/12/11 15:57, Gareth France wrote: Very true, I'm quite new here so I don't really know anyone yet. Oddly enough everyone I'm getting to know seems to be called Alan!! I value the support community a lot but have found sometimes a question gets asked and goes unsolved, like the printer aut

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
That's a good idea but I don't think it's right for everyone, and if it was the web would be flooded with blogs about ubuntu! So I'll leave that to those who are good at it and stick to the support I think. Glad to know you're doing it though they can be invaluable. On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:08 PM,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread scoundrel50a
Oh ok, definitely.I'll e-mail you later to chat about it.. thank you John On 02/12/11 15:38, Gareth France wrote: That's convenient, I'm in South Bucks so not too far. Let me know if you ever fancy meeting up for a coffee or whatever and we'll see if wecan crack it. On Fri, Dec 2, 2

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Kris Douglas
On 2 December 2011 15:57, Gareth France wrote: > Very true, I'm quite new here so I don't really know anyone yet. Oddly > enough everyone I'm getting to know seems to be called Alan!! I value the > support community a lot but have found sometimes a question gets asked and > goes unsolved, like the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
Very true, I'm quite new here so I don't really know anyone yet. Oddly enough everyone I'm getting to know seems to be called Alan!! I value the support community a lot but have found sometimes a question gets asked and goes unsolved, like the printer authentication issue being discussed on here to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Barry Drake
On 02/12/11 15:18, Gareth France wrote: I don't want to pick on them and I have to say I'm considering the merits of paying for one of their support subscriptions to aid my business. Would having access to their knowledgebase and someone at the end of the phone be a useful asset alongside the f

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Printer Problem

2011-12-02 Thread Colin Law
On 2 December 2011 15:39, Barry Drake wrote: > I've had a posting off-list from Michael, and replied as follows.  Does this > make sense? > > On 02/12/11 13:29, Michael Daniels wrote: > >>  /My most recent posting to the list has not attracted as much >>  attention as another, but that is how it h

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Printer Problem

2011-12-02 Thread Barry Drake
I've had a posting off-list from Michael, and replied as follows. Does this make sense? On 02/12/11 13:29, Michael Daniels wrote: /My most recent posting to the list has not attracted as much attention as another, but that is how it happens./ /Here is my latest challenge. Following an Ubun

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
That's convenient, I'm in South Bucks so not too far. Let me know if you ever fancy meeting up for a coffee or whatever and we'll see if wecan crack it. On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:35 PM, scoundrel50a wrote: > Hi I live in London. > > > On 02/12/2011 15:26, Gareth France wrote: > > Where are y

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread scoundrel50a
Hi I live in London. On 02/12/2011 15:26, Gareth France wrote: Where are you based? Maybe I can help On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:23 PM, scoundrel50a > wrote: If I could find somebody to teach me how to run Ubuntu properly, and be able to use the Termina

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
Where are you based? Maybe I can help On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:23 PM, scoundrel50a wrote: > If I could find somebody to teach me how to run Ubuntu properly, and be > able to use the Terminal to fix problems, I would gladly help in support, > but I just dont know enough > > > > > > > On 02/1

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread scoundrel50a
If I could find somebody to teach me how to run Ubuntu properly, and be able to use the Terminal to fix problems, I would gladly help in support, but I just dont know enough On 02/12/2011 15:18, Gareth France wrote: I don't want to pick on them and I have to say I'm considering the mer

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
I don't want to pick on them and I have to say I'm considering the merits of paying for one of their support subscriptions to aid my business. Would having access to their knowledgebase and someone at the end of the phone be a useful asset alongside the free community support? I suppose I'll only f

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Barry Drake
On 02/12/11 14:32, scoundrel50a wrote: But that paid support (the one that costs £80 odd) in Canonical, has a 3 day waiting for non important answers, so you could be needing help, ask a question, it could take up to three days to answer Oh, and Microsoft offers better? Please. The only way

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
Absolutely, my gripe was the fact that I was a little lost for a bit and they don't seem at all keen to point people in the right direction. i have no doubt though that the i's can be dotted and the t's crossed then I can get on with doing what I do best. On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Alan Bell

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Alan Bell
On 02/12/11 14:42, Simon Watson wrote: Gareth, I do get the feeling that you haven't really planned ahead in setting up your business. It would seem that you'd want to get this stuff sorted out further in advance. no, it is not unreasonable to expect some kind of response, but we shouldn't o

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Paula Graham
On 02/12/11 10:59, Alan Pope wrote: > On 01/12/11 23:52, thegeeksquad...@ymail.com wrote: >> Is Ubuntu going in the wrong direction? > > I personally don't believe so, no. I personally think it's going in > exactly the _right_ direction, but some people seem obsessed by > yesterday, today and tomor

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
It is difficult to plan for things which seem inpenetratable, I didn't anticipate this being an issue in the way it has. I didn't anticipate it taking any more than asking a question and getting an answer within an hour, after all it's only clarifying a simple point on a policy. And it's something

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Simon Watson
Gareth, I do get the feeling that you haven't really planned ahead in setting up your business. It would seem that you'd want to get this stuff sorted out further in advance. Simon -Original Message- From: Gareth France Sender: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 1

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
> > > But that paid support (the one that costs £80 odd) in Canonical, has a 3 > day waiting for non important answers, so you could be needing help, ask a > question, it could take up to three days to answer, depending on what they > class as a non important question, you answer it, and it could

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread scoundrel50a
On 02/12/11 14:08, Matthew Daubney wrote: On 2 December 2011 14:04, Gareth France wrote: There NEEDS to be a quick response, even if that response is 'you have to subscribe', 'you have to upgrade', 'you're supposed to look there'! The lack of replies from Canonical is causing me major headaches

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread scoundrel50a
On 02/12/11 13:55, Avi Greenbury wrote: paul sutton wrote: I am sure if you got to Microsoft or Apple or any other BIG player you get a fast response. This is the business world i guess people want a quick response. Only if you pay them for it; Canonical sell that sort of support contract, to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
> Surely it has the same problem for people further down the chain? > While going through the "struggling to make a brand" thing recently > everyone else in the supply chain causes problems. Just because > they're a big name doesn't make the problem go away for others. This > is, however, just how

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Matthew Daubney
On 2 December 2011 14:11, Gareth France wrote: > The difference with someone like Intel or Quantum is that they don't need to > establish their brand wheras Ubuntu has a long way to go and alienating > anyone, be it OEM, support or end user is going to cost them dearly. Surely it has the same pr

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
The difference with someone like Intel or Quantum is that they don't need to establish their brand wheras Ubuntu has a long way to go and alienating anyone, be it OEM, support or end user is going to cost them dearly. On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Matthew Daubney wrote: > On 2 December 2011 14

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Matthew Daubney
On 2 December 2011 14:04, Gareth France wrote: > There NEEDS to be a quick response, even if that response is 'you have to > subscribe', 'you have to upgrade', 'you're supposed to look there'! The lack > of replies from Canonical is causing me major headaches. Welcome to the business world :) I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
There NEEDS to be a quick response, even if that response is 'you have to subscribe', 'you have to upgrade', 'you're supposed to look there'! The lack of replies from Canonical is causing me major headaches. On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Matthew Daubney wrote: > On 2 December 2011 13:55, Avi G

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Matthew Daubney
On 2 December 2011 13:55, Avi Greenbury wrote: > paul sutton wrote: > >> I am sure if you got to Microsoft or Apple or any other BIG player you >> get a fast response.  This is the business world i guess people want a >> quick response. > > Only if you pay them for it; Canonical sell that sort of

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Avi Greenbury
paul sutton wrote: > I am sure if you got to Microsoft or Apple or any other BIG player you > get a fast response. This is the business world i guess people want a > quick response. Only if you pay them for it; Canonical sell that sort of support contract, too. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubun

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
If I had hands? You don't? On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:33 PM, scoundrel50a wrote: > On 02/12/11 13:28, Alan Bell wrote: > >> On 02/12/11 13:17, scoundrel50a wrote: >> >>> I watch the IRC channels quite a lot, and I would say 60% of the time >>> its chatting about nothing, and the rest is support if

[ubuntu-uk] How to use AskUbuntu, was: Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Alan Pope
On 02/12/11 12:49, paul sutton wrote: I hope new ubuntu users don't get this, it just seems like techno babble, and will scare people away. I just made this video in my lunch hour. Actually it took about 3 minutes to make, so still plenty of time for soup. Hope it helps people to figure out t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread scoundrel50a
On 02/12/11 13:28, Alan Bell wrote: On 02/12/11 13:17, scoundrel50a wrote: I watch the IRC channels quite a lot, and I would say 60% of the time its chatting about nothing, and the rest is support if the person is understood..it can be very daunting on there #ubuntu isn't chatting about not

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Alan Bell
On 02/12/11 13:17, scoundrel50a wrote: I watch the IRC channels quite a lot, and I would say 60% of the time its chatting about nothing, and the rest is support if the person is understood..it can be very daunting on there #ubuntu isn't chatting about nothing, it is all support (and people

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
I think the issue here is that the same sentence has two meanings. It's supposed to mean 'if you want to try another distro then no hard feelings, we're all on the same side and the other distros are fantastic.' unfortunately the nay sayers tend to hear 'If you don't like what we offer then you kno

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread scoundrel50a
On 02/12/11 12:40, Alan Bell wrote: On 02/12/11 12:24, scoundrel50a wrote: Going round in cirlces again, we had this discussion not long ago and it seems every year we have the same one (and I remember 7.04 being intropduced), and the same things are being talked about and the same attitude

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread scoundrel50a
On 02/12/11 12:40, Alan Pope wrote: On 02/12/11 12:24, scoundrel50a wrote: Going round in cirlces again, we had this discussion not long ago and it seems every year we have the same one (and I remember 7.04 being intropduced), and the same things are being talked about and the same attitude if y

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction? - materials

2011-12-02 Thread paul sutton
I was sent these by Canonical sometime ago http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3356122/UbuntuDesktop10.04LTS.pdf http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3356122/UbuntuServer10.04LTS.pdf hope this helps Paul -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Pre Christmas Hangout Google+

2011-12-02 Thread Alan Bell
On 01/12/11 14:13, Paul Mellors wrote: Hi All I'm quite liking the idea of a Pre christmas Google+ hang out for ubuntu uk, if any one fancies this, then can you make some date suggestions? I'm thinking 17th Dec [saturday] at 8pm? Any objections? Cheers MooDoo sounds fun, count me in! I can p

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread paul sutton
On 02/12/11 12:52, Alan Bell wrote: > On 02/12/11 12:49, paul sutton wrote: >> >> Hmm >> >> Just tried the chat room thing on askubuntu and told it to use my >> google account thing to log in >> i think get the following >> >> Welcome to The Stack Exchange Network chat! You'll need 20 reputation >>

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread paul sutton
On 02/12/11 12:52, scoundrel50a wrote: > On 02/12/2011 12:49, paul sutton wrote: >> On 02/12/11 12:46, Alan Bell wrote: >>> I meant off list, but never mind :) >>> you are probably better off just getting on the marketplace rather >>> than being a Canonical partner >>> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/mar

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Alan Bell
On 02/12/11 12:49, paul sutton wrote: Hmm Just tried the chat room thing on askubuntu and told it to use my google account thing to log in i think get the following Welcome to The Stack Exchange Network chat! You'll need 20 reputation to talk here. This site is moderated by the community, s

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread scoundrel50a
On 02/12/2011 12:49, paul sutton wrote: On 02/12/11 12:46, Alan Bell wrote: I meant off list, but never mind :) you are probably better off just getting on the marketplace rather than being a Canonical partner http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/europe/ and yes, it may take some messing to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
So how do I go about getting on this list then? On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Alan Bell wrote: > I meant off list, but never mind :) > you are probably better off just getting on the marketplace rather than > being a Canonical partner > http://webapps.ubuntu.com/**marketplace/europe/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
Oh crap! I don't like gmail any more. I thought I had done it off list. Oh well. This is the problem isn't it? I should've been pointed to all my options at the start, but either nobody was willing or nobody knew what I needed. On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Alan Bell wrote: > I meant off list

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread paul sutton
On 02/12/11 12:46, Alan Bell wrote: > I meant off list, but never mind :) > you are probably better off just getting on the marketplace rather > than being a Canonical partner > http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/europe/ > > and yes, it may take some messing to get put on that list I need to > p

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Alan Bell
I meant off list, but never mind :) you are probably better off just getting on the marketplace rather than being a Canonical partner http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/europe/ and yes, it may take some messing to get put on that list I need to poke someone about it. Alan -- The Open Lea

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Alan Bell
On 02/12/11 12:24, scoundrel50a wrote: Going round in cirlces again, we had this discussion not long ago and it seems every year we have the same one (and I remember 7.04 being intropduced), and the same things are being talked about and the same attitude if you dont like it, go somewhere els

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Alan Pope
On 02/12/11 12:24, scoundrel50a wrote: Going round in cirlces again, we had this discussion not long ago and it seems every year we have the same one (and I remember 7.04 being intropduced), and the same things are being talked about and the same attitude if you dont like it, go somewhere else.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread paul sutton
On 02/12/11 12:26, Alan Bell wrote: > On 02/12/11 12:01, Gareth France wrote: >> >> Much as I expected to hear Alan, however I firstly feel that this is >> a bad move, would it hurt them to have a range of POS display materials? > wouldn't hurt at all. http://spreadubuntu.org/ help yourself, and >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction? - posters

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
As I understand it, and I'm still clarifying, you can use the logo and images as long as you are not making profit from it. So simply to spread the word is fine. I'm now applying for permission to use the logos in my business. I just hope it doesn't cost me a fortune! On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:31

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction? - posters

2011-12-02 Thread Colin Law
On 2 December 2011 12:27, paul sutton wrote: > On 02/12/11 12:20, Colin Law wrote: >> On 2 December 2011 11:50, paul sutton wrote: >>> ... >>> Ok,  this is what i created myself >>> >>> http://www.zleap.net/portfolio.html >> A minor point, it is actually Firefox 8 now. > So 11.10 has firefox 8,  

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
Now THAT's more like it! On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Alan Bell wrote: > On 02/12/11 12:01, Gareth France wrote: > >> >> Much as I expected to hear Alan, however I firstly feel that this is a >> bad move, would it hurt them to have a range of POS display materials? >> > wouldn't hurt at all.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction? - posters

2011-12-02 Thread paul sutton
On 02/12/11 12:04, Gareth France wrote: > This is great, would you have any issue with me using these in my business? > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:50 AM, paul sutton wrote: > Feel free this is what the are there for, I am kinda concerned about if I am actually allowed to use the graphics hence I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
I have also now applied to the partner program. My problem has been that I can't even find someone in Canonical to tell me what I should be doing or applying to. 2 email pasted below. Petra, Thank you for your reply. Although I understand the reasoning behind the move to cut back on CD distributio

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction? - posters

2011-12-02 Thread paul sutton
On 02/12/11 12:20, Colin Law wrote: > On 2 December 2011 11:50, paul sutton wrote: >> ... >> Ok, this is what i created myself >> >> http://www.zleap.net/portfolio.html > A minor point, it is actually Firefox 8 now. So 11.10 has firefox 8, Ok will update. however if is able to give the once ov

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Alan Bell
On 02/12/11 12:01, Gareth France wrote: Much as I expected to hear Alan, however I firstly feel that this is a bad move, would it hurt them to have a range of POS display materials? wouldn't hurt at all. http://spreadubuntu.org/ help yourself, and contribute new ones. Getting them made up prop

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread scoundrel50a
On 02/12/11 11:49, Alan Pope wrote: On 02/12/11 11:47, scoundrel50a wrote: And you wonder why Ubuntu is static.. What does that even _mean_? Al Going round in cirlces again, we had this discussion not long ago and it seems every year we have the same one (and I remember 7.04 being i

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Alan Bell
On 02/12/11 12:19, Gareth France wrote: However I've been waiting since the 14th November. can you forward me the email please. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.c

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction? - posters

2011-12-02 Thread Colin Law
On 2 December 2011 11:50, paul sutton wrote: > ... > Ok,  this is what i created myself > > http://www.zleap.net/portfolio.html A minor point, it is actually Firefox 8 now. I know it is not what you were referencing, but on your sysrq document the underlining of the keys to indicate what has to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-02 Thread Gareth France
> I just can't imagine that a single person's mind will be changed by > this thread. If the original post is taken at face value then it's > clear that a strong opinion has already been formed. > Absolutely, the only person who can change their mind is them, in their own time, on their own. -- ub

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