Re: [ubuntu-uk] Saucy Salamander testing ....

2013-05-09 Thread Alan Pope
On 08/05/13 16:27, Barry Drake wrote: On 08/05/13 15:38, Liam Proven wrote: Is this on your live work machine? If so, that was, er, brave of you. Sounds like it could be a theme problem. Try resetting the theme in Appearance. Work machine yes - but as always, I have the testing version dual

[ubuntu-uk] Dual-booting Ubuntu 13.04 with Windows 8 on a Lenovo U410

2013-05-09 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
Hi! I have a Lenovo U410 on which I would like to dual-boot Ubuntu 13.04. I've run it up on a live flash drive, everything works OK. When it comes to the actual install I'm a bit nervous as although I'm fairly competent with both Linux and Windows, I've never had a machine with SSD/HDD in a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dixons/PC World response .....

2013-05-09 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 05/06/2013 01:55 PM, Barry Drake wrote: On 02/05/13 16:14, alan c wrote: I have often got undesirable responses from almost ANY 'shops' selling PCs, although I have not tried much now that Android is blossoming so well, and Chromebooks. I have posted my actions in full at: Ubuntu bug #1 -

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dixons/PC World response .....

2013-05-09 Thread Tyler J. Wagner
On 2013-05-09 10:39, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: I find it very interesting that nearly four years ago, when I bought my Toshiba Netbook with Ubuntu Remix from Dixons, they were selling like hot cakes, far better than the equivalent Windows machines. Then suddenly, overnight, they

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dual-booting Ubuntu 13.04 with Windows 8 on a Lenovo U410

2013-05-09 Thread Avi Greenbury
Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: When it comes to the actual install I'm a bit nervous as although I'm fairly competent with both Linux and Windows, I've never had a machine with SSD/HDD in a false raid like this before, it's only two months old, and I've never had a machine where I didn't have a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dixons/PC World response .....

2013-05-09 Thread pete smout
On 09/05/13 10:51, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: On 2013-05-09 10:39, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: I find it very interesting that nearly four years ago, when I bought my Toshiba Netbook with Ubuntu Remix from Dixons, they were selling like hot cakes, far better than the equivalent Windows machines.

[ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Gareth France
I thought I would just bring the experiences I'm having with Packard Bell / Acer to everyone's attention. I've been unhappy with my laptop since the day I got it and it seems to be falling apart very rapidly. I have been trying to get it looked at but it's like pulling teeth! Oddly enough

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Colin Law
On 9 May 2013 11:53, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I would just bring the experiences I'm having with Packard Bell / Acer to everyone's attention. I've been unhappy with my laptop since the day I got it and it seems to be falling apart very rapidly. I have been trying

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Gareth France
On 09/05/13 12:07, Colin Law wrote: On 9 May 2013 11:53, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I would just bring the experiences I'm having with Packard Bell / Acer to everyone's attention. I've been unhappy with my laptop since the day I got it and it seems to be falling

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dixons/PC World response .....

2013-05-09 Thread scoundrel50a
On 09/05/2013 10:39, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 05/06/2013 01:55 PM, Barry Drake wrote: On 02/05/13 16:14, alan c wrote: I have often got undesirable responses from almost ANY 'shops' selling PCs, although I have not tried much now that Android is blossoming so well, and Chromebooks. I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dixons/PC World response .....

2013-05-09 Thread pete smout
On 09/05/13 13:00, Paul Sutton wrote: On 09/05/13 11:09, pete smout wrote: On 09/05/13 10:51, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: On 2013-05-09 10:39, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: I find it very interesting that nearly four years ago, when I bought my Toshiba Netbook with Ubuntu Remix from Dixons, they

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dixons/PC World response .....

2013-05-09 Thread Barry Drake
On 09/05/13 13:00, Paul Sutton wrote: Taking on the big boys is a big job, helping the smaller shops expand what they offer may be the way forward. and it helps local small shops which the high street needs too. If a small store offers something unique then it helps them generate new customer

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dixons/PC World response .....

2013-05-09 Thread pete smout
On 09/05/13 13:35, Barry Drake wrote: On 09/05/13 13:00, Paul Sutton wrote: Taking on the big boys is a big job, helping the smaller shops expand what they offer may be the way forward. and it helps local small shops which the high street needs too. If a small store offers something unique then

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Liam Proven
On 9 May 2013 11:53, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I would just bring the experiences I'm having with Packard Bell / Acer to everyone's attention. I've been unhappy with my laptop since the day I got it and it seems to be falling apart very rapidly. I have been trying

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Liam Proven
On 9 May 2013 12:14, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have anything 500gb in size to do a full backup onto I am sorry, but - WTF? And you call yourself an IT technician? If you don't have anything to backup onto, you're not a pro. Secondly, any pro with 10% of a clue

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Michael Holmes
I can also attest to issues with Packard Bell support. After having to RMA a laptop 3 times for the same issue (hard drive failures, all within the warranty period), I was finally placated when I got a full refund as compensation... for them losing my laptop at the service center. Avoid at all

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Nigel Verity
Gareth While I think that Liam Proven's robust manner does him no credit, his advice is largely valid. If you don't allow Packard Bell, or any company acting on their behalf, access to the computer in its original physical configuration then you are not enabling them to comply with the terms

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Avi Greenbury
Gareth France wrote: I don't have anything 500gb in size to do a full backup onto and I'm not comfortable handing out my business' data at all. I don't understand this. Surely if you need it backed up it already is, and if you don't need it backed up you can just blitz the drive and send the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Phill Whiteside
With the price of my favourite gizmo at a rediculously low price [1] (I have two of them). Just go and grab a 2.5 / 3.5 drive of your need. The device is an awesome addition to any 'tool kit'. Regards, Phill. 1.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Gareth France
On 09/05/13 15:13, Liam Proven wrote: On 9 May 2013 12:14, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have anything 500gb in size to do a full backup onto I am sorry, but - WTF? And you call yourself an IT technician? If you don't have anything to backup onto, you're not a pro.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Gareth France
On 09/05/13 16:34, Avi Greenbury wrote: Gareth France wrote: I don't have anything 500gb in size to do a full backup onto and I'm not comfortable handing out my business' data at all. I don't understand this. Surely if you need it backed up it already is, and if you don't need it backed up you

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Phill Whiteside
Just to update everyone. I've had a further look at [1] and seems to have several reports of the PSU setting alight. Thankfully, the model I got is now back in stock from my original supplier [2] It pays to read the reviews! Regards, Phill. 1.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Liam Proven
On 9 May 2013 16:36, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: 884 I have used saynoto0870 and got nowhere. Calling the numbers listed resulted in me being told to use the website support, which I have been. I have been an IT technician however insulting my technical ability based on my

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Liam Proven
On 9 May 2013 16:25, Nigel Verity nigelver...@hotmail.com wrote: Gareth While I think that Liam Proven's robust manner does him no credit Yeah, I get that a lot. :¬D -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook:

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Gareth France
On 09/05/13 18:03, Liam Proven wrote: On 9 May 2013 16:36, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: 884 I have used saynoto0870 and got nowhere. Calling the numbers listed resulted in me being told to use the website support, which I have been. I have been an IT technician however insulting

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Liam Proven
On 9 May 2013 18:06, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/05/13 18:03, Liam Proven wrote: On 9 May 2013 16:36, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: 884 I have used saynoto0870 and got nowhere. Calling the numbers listed resulted in me being told to use the website

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Gareth France
I am not looking down upon you. I am a fairly penniless freelancer myself, as my business has suffered dramatically from the credit crunch. But what I am trying to point out to you is that you are acting in an irrational and unfair fashion. The company is trying to help you, but you are not

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread William Anderson
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I would just bring the experiences I'm having with Packard Bell / Acer to everyone's attention. I've been unhappy with my laptop since the day I got it and it seems to be falling apart very rapidly. I have

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Gareth France
On 09/05/13 18:38, William Anderson wrote: On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I would just bring the experiences I'm having with Packard Bell / Acer to everyone's attention. I've been unhappy with my laptop since the day I got it and it seems

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Gareth France
On 09/05/13 18:38, William Anderson wrote: On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I would just bring the experiences I'm having with Packard Bell / Acer to everyone's attention. I've been unhappy with my laptop since the day I got it and it seems

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread pete smout
On 09/05/13 18:46, Gareth France wrote: On 09/05/13 18:38, William Anderson wrote: On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I would just bring the experiences I'm having with Packard Bell / Acer to everyone's attention. I've been unhappy with my

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dixons/PC World response .....

2013-05-09 Thread SuperEngineer
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 09:39 +, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: I find it very interesting that nearly four years ago, when I bought my Toshiba Netbook with Ubuntu Remix from Dixons, they were selling like hot cakes, far better than the equivalent Windows machines. Then suddenly, overnight,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Phill Whiteside
[1] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/rsync On 9 May 2013 19:27, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote: For updating a backup, rsync[1] may be of help. (I'm a tester so use zsync but I believe that is better tuned for us updating iso's as it has a separate link). Rsync is pretty much

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Phill Whiteside
For updating a backup, rsync[1] may be of help. (I'm a tester so use zsync but I believe that is better tuned for us updating iso's as it has a separate link). Rsync is pretty much ideally suited for you need. It will only update files that need updating. Regards, Phill. On 9 May 2013 19:04,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Gareth France
On 09/05/13 19:27, Phill Whiteside wrote: For updating a backup, rsync[1] may be of help. (I'm a tester so use zsync but I believe that is better tuned for us updating iso's as it has a separate link). Rsync is pretty much ideally suited for you need. It will only update files that need

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread William Anderson
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: I'll be using a desktop for the duration the machine is away. I have been looking at incremental backup solutions. What I'd like to do is setup a system where it connects to an FTP server and only backs up the data

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Phill Whiteside
speaking of which (I have kimsufi) I think I need to have tidy up :) Alloc PE / Size 454400 / 1.73 TiB Free PE / Size 19842 / 77.51 GiB How could I EVER use up the best part of a 2TB disk!!! Regards, Phill. On 9 May 2013 19:51, William Anderson ne...@well.com wrote: On Thu,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Gareth France
On 09/05/13 19:51, William Anderson wrote: On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: I'll be using a desktop for the duration the machine is away. I have been looking at incremental backup solutions. What I'd like to do is setup a system where it connects to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Phill Whiteside
scp[1] is more powerful than ftp. sftp (which most can support) or better vsftp (which some servers support) are about as safe. ftp is akin to when we used rcp with no encryption and little check of 'who' that is why it supports anonymous. That is a very quick 101 on ftp, so before ubuntu-uk

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Avi Greenbury
William Anderson wrote: Don't use FTP unless you plan to pre-encrypt the backup first (since you will be sending the data in the clear; Even if you encrypt the data, you'd still be sending credentials in the clear if you use FTP. But, fortunately it's not the 1970s any more and so you can use

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Avi Greenbury
Phill Whiteside wrote: sftp (which most can support) or better vsftp (which some servers support) are vsftp is an FTP daemon, it's got nothing much to do with sftp. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

[ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-09 Thread SuperEngineer
The problem with not resolving bug #1 stares me in the face. That being the fact that EEC, UsA? etc are prepared to force Microsoft to offer more than their own browser... but are not prepared to take on the real monopoly. That being the fact that manufactures should offer a dual boot at

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dixons/PC World response .....

2013-05-09 Thread alan c
On 09/05/13 12:34, scoundrel50a wrote: On 09/05/2013 10:39, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 05/06/2013 01:55 PM, Barry Drake wrote: On 02/05/13 16:14, alan c wrote: I have often got undesirable responses from almost ANY 'shops' selling PCs, although I have not tried much now that Android is

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dixons/PC World response .....

2013-05-09 Thread SuperEngineer
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 21:51 +0100, alan c wrote: It was a relaxed conversation. He simply asked 'Can I sell it?' Back to basics... he believed his company made money by selling Windows... what if he were told he could sell his machines for less by not paying/forcing Ms licenses? A can of

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dixons/PC World response .....

2013-05-09 Thread Barry Drake
On 09/05/13 21:51, alan c wrote: A few years ago, I requested, and was granted, a chat with the Manager of PCWorld (Reading). I asked if I could do a small demo of (Ubuntu) near the door one weekend, and hand out leaflets. I showed one of my (computer fair) leaflets. It was a relaxed

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dixons/PC World response .....

2013-05-09 Thread alan c
On 09/05/13 19:16, SuperEngineer wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 09:39 +, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: I find it very interesting that nearly four years ago, when I bought my Toshiba Netbook with Ubuntu Remix from Dixons, they were selling like hot cakes, far better than the equivalent Windows

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-09 Thread Sean Miller
If you extended this to the open market as a whole, then every washing machine should have alternative operating systems. No, it's not something I subscribe to. If a manufacturer wishes to go with Windows, then that's fine. If Ubuntu wants to become the OS of choice then let's PERSUADE rather

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-09 Thread SuperEngineer
On 09/05/13 22:18, Sean Miller wrote: let's PERSUADE rather than force Sean - an excerpt from another post related to this sent my moi... I occasionally go back to same store - not a Linux machine in sight. Those in the know at the store share my disappointment - but the average comment is

Re: [ubuntu-uk] UEFI bios update

2013-05-09 Thread James Morrissey
Hi all, just following up on this post: I would also suggest though that if you had no issues on Quantal but are in Raring that it may be a kernel issue. Just because it is stable for everyone else doesn't mean it is for that particular machine, So I would file a bug first and see if there is

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-09 Thread SuperEngineer
On 09/05/13 22:18, Sean Miller wrote: If you extended this to the open market as a whole, then every washing machine should have alternative operating systems. No, it's not something I subscribe to. If a manufacturer wishes to go with Windows, then that's fine. If Ubuntu wants to become the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-09 Thread alan c
On 09/05/13 22:18, Sean Miller wrote: If Ubuntu wants to become the OS of choice then let's PERSUADE rather than force people to provide an option Pre installation is a significant factor, as is investment, and risk, and several other aspects too, in the story. A head-on confrontation with a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-09 Thread SuperEngineer
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 22:38 +0100, alan c wrote: I would suggest that -public- lists where strategy is formulated to take over the world, or whatever, might be seen as just a little, well, naive, when the competition is such as we find. It is more than easy to steer (a very polite way to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread Phill Whiteside
:: SIGH :: start at https://help.ubuntu.com/13.04/serverguide/ftp-server.html and then continue on? I'm not going to persue this 'argument'. Go work it out for your selves. I only pop in here rarely, the conversations from the last couple of threads enforce that. you are totally wrong in

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-09 Thread John Oliver
I suppose it depends what's available on the platform. Looking at schools and colleges on the UK the vast majority run Windows XP or 7. That's not necessarily because of the technical staff who are often perfectly capable of using and managing a GNU/Linux system or set of systems, not is it

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-09 Thread Phill Whiteside
XP is going to be dead, no security updates. Lubuntu has realised this, we are asking xubutu and kubuntu to come on board. The initial one was just lubuntu, it is now open to all the flavours to get on board with this, For schools / colleges? Use Edubutnu, or is there no one in UK who knows of it?

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread William Anderson
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote: [snip] I'm not going to persue this 'argument'. Go work it out for your selves. I only pop in here rarely, the conversations from the last couple of threads enforce that. you are totally wrong in lambasting some one

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

2013-05-09 Thread William Anderson
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: I'll bare the ftp advice in mind and I agree you do get what you pay for, but that doesn't make it any less frustrating, especially when they treat you like an idiot when you know full well what the problem is. I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

2013-05-09 Thread Pete
On 09/05/13 22:30, SuperEngineer wrote: On 09/05/13 22:18, Sean Miller wrote: If you extended this to the open market as a whole, then every washing machine should have alternative operating systems. No, it's not