Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-25 Thread Andres Muniz
There is a problem of language and discoverability in Unity which is making it difficult for people to help each other by explaining their problems and solutions in the language that Mr Shuttleworth wishes us to adopt. The bar on the left is apparently called Launcher, but that name does not

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-24 Thread surfer
When 11.04 was introduced, I read a lot of discouraging comments about Unity, especially concerning its stability. Is it now stable or would I be better off remaining with 10.10. Regards Patrick Mulvey On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 01:29 +, Daniel Drummond wrote: On Feb 23, 2012 11:34 PM, Alan

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-24 Thread Colin Law
On 24 February 2012 09:30, surfer pmul...@gofast.co.uk wrote: When 11.04 was introduced, I read a lot of discouraging comments about Unity, especially concerning its stability. Is it now stable or would I be better off remaining with 10.10. I would suggest not upgrading yet, 12.04 (in April)

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-24 Thread paul sutton
On 24/02/12 09:30, surfer wrote: When 11.04 was introduced, I read a lot of discouraging comments about Unity, especially concerning its stability. Is it now stable or would I be better off remaining with 10.10. Regards Patrick Mulvey On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 01:29 +, Daniel Drummond

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-24 Thread Yorvyk
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 01:29:41 + Daniel Drummond dmdrummo...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 23, 2012 11:34 PM, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: I like Unity. Me too. The thing I like most about Unity is that it caters for so called power users. I like that I can control my

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-24 Thread Andy Braben
I will also add that I get on fine with Unity, as do people I support. It is something completely different, but I find it intuitive and simple enough to use. I rarely go searching through the dash for anything as all apps I use, including terminal are located immediately on the left hand bar.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-24 Thread George Tripp
Linux Mint is higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. Mint 12 is newer than Ubuntu 11.10 so people are interested to see what's on offer.  I suspect when 12.04 comes out that will regain top place for the same reason Why is it that Unity requires the user to be an expert. When I first used Gnome

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-24 Thread bouncysteve
I've been exposed to Unity since the Ubuntu Netbook Edition, and while I can comfortably use it to do everything I need to, I had been convinced by the number of naysayers to give the latest Mint a spin. I was as surprised as anyone that to find that I still prefer Ubuntu, and that has to some

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-23 Thread Sean Miller
On 22 February 2012 13:43, Kris Douglas krisdoug...@gmail.com wrote: Why is it that Unity requires the user to be an expert. A picture of the ubuntu logo means a lot to us, but to someone who goes and buys a cheap computer it means jack all. They wouldn't think to click there there is no hit

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-23 Thread Avi Greenbury
Sean Miller wrote: On 22 February 2012 13:43, Kris Douglas krisdoug...@gmail.com wrote: Why is it that Unity requires the user to be an expert. A picture of the ubuntu logo means a lot to us, but to someone who goes and buys a cheap computer it means jack all. They wouldn't think to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-23 Thread Alan Pope
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23/02/12 20:57, Sean Miller wrote: This thread has been completely derailed, but the fact remains... Why Unity? I like Unity. I dislike it intensely as a desktop... it probably works on a phone, but why do we have to now endure it on

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-23 Thread Daniel Drummond
On Feb 23, 2012 11:34 PM, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote: I like Unity. Me too. The thing I like most about Unity is that it caters for so called power users. I like that I can control my workspace with the keyboard, and with the inclusion of Hud now the menu is easier to use. That

[ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
Hello, Linux Mint is higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. I have just come off the phone with a customer, we write web applications and we prefer they use Google Chrome because we're planning to write a plugin and all sorts, but that is irrelevant. This customer called in, asked if he could

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread James Morrissey
Without stating any preferences on a thread which is likely to bring forth opinions: As i understand it, the current Unity Interface is (at least in part) the result of the sort of testing you are describing:

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread James Morrissey
Also: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/stats-show-ubuntu-not-losing-ground-to-linux-mint/ On 22 February 2012 13:49, James Morrissey morrissey.jam...@gmail.com wrote: Without stating any preferences on a thread which is likely to bring forth opinions: As i understand it, the current Unity

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
On 22 February 2012 13:49, James Morrissey morrissey.jam...@gmail.com wrote: Without stating any preferences on a thread which is likely to bring forth opinions: As i understand it, the current Unity Interface is (at least in part) the result of the sort of testing you are describing:

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Simon Greenwood
I can understand where you're coming from and yes, the visual metaphor does struggle a bit beyond the default applications on the dash but the thinking presumably was that there is a start button from which, as with Gnome (and Windows) all other installed software is installed. I understand and

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
On 22 February 2012 13:55, James Morrissey morrissey.jam...@gmail.com wrote: Also: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/stats-show-ubuntu-not-losing-ground-to-linux-mint/ I have to be honest I am tentative to take the posts on OMG Ubuntu as fact, I am not saying they are lying but sometimes

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread James Morrissey
On 22 February 2012 13:56, Kris Douglas krisdoug...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/mark-shuttleworth-explains-dodge-ditch-decision-in-precise/ https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg07682.html j That is entirely related to the fact the bar dodged windows, and yes

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread James Morrissey
I have to be honest I am tentative to take the posts on OMG Ubuntu as fact, I am not saying they are lying but sometimes they lack certain intricate details that would otherwise be included in online journalism. I actually really like OMG as a place to go, but I know a lot(5-10) of people

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Dave Morley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 22/02/12 13:56, Kris Douglas wrote: On 22 February 2012 13:49, James Morrissey morrissey.jam...@gmail.com wrote: Without stating any preferences on a thread which is likely to bring forth opinions: As i understand it, the current Unity

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
On 22 February 2012 14:03, James Morrissey morrissey.jam...@gmail.com wrote: I have to be honest I am tentative to take the posts on OMG Ubuntu as fact, I am not saying they are lying but sometimes they lack certain intricate details that would otherwise be included in online journalism. I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
On 22 February 2012 14:06, Dave Morley davm...@davmor2.co.uk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 22/02/12 13:56, Kris Douglas wrote: On 22 February 2012 13:49, James Morrissey morrissey.jam...@gmail.com wrote: Without stating any preferences on a thread which is likely

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Alan Bell
On 22/02/12 13:43, Kris Douglas wrote: Unity is honestly broken, someone must understand this, I will happily speak to people in person or on email in more detail about this. code talks. Fix it the way you want it and submit a merge request. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
On 22 February 2012 14:11, Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 22/02/12 13:43, Kris Douglas wrote: Unity is honestly broken, someone must understand this, I will happily speak to people in person or on email in more detail about this. code talks. Fix it the way you want it and submit a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Avi Greenbury
Kris Douglas wrote: Linux Mint is higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. Yes. And Scotland is subsidising the UK. He has has this machine for 6 weeks thinking it only had the icons down the left installed on it. (i.e the Unity Dock). Now someone could say to me why didn't he read the manual?

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Dino T.
He didnt know the logo but a simple click the top left icon then type the name of the program couldn't have been said? I got my dad at 68 years old to do that easily over the phone. *Dino Tassigiannis BA (Hons)* On 22 February 2012 14:11, Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 22/02/12

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Barry Drake
On 22/02/12 13:56, Kris Douglas wrote: That is entirely related to the fact the bar dodged windows, and yes I believe that is to be discontinued. However, that is not the problem to be honest, the the iconfication and hiding of menus and maximising each window... etc etc. There's a neat

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
On 22 February 2012 14:17, Avi Greenbury li...@avi.co wrote: Kris Douglas  wrote: Linux Mint is higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. Yes. And Scotland is subsidising the UK. He has has this machine for 6 weeks thinking it only had the icons down the left installed on it. (i.e the Unity

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
On 22 February 2012 14:27, Kris Douglas krisdoug...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 February 2012 14:17, Avi Greenbury li...@avi.co wrote: Kris Douglas  wrote: Linux Mint is higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. Yes. And Scotland is subsidising the UK. He has has this machine for 6 weeks thinking it

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
On 22 February 2012 14:18, Dino T. d...@dinot.co.uk wrote: He didnt know the logo but a simple click the top left icon then type the name of the program couldn't have been said? I got my dad at 68 years old to do that easily over the phone. Hello, If you weren't there and you were trying to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Andy Braben
The user of this system could be categorised as lazy, like my colleague the electrician, who can't be bothered with it It doesn't matter what operating system is being used, if a person is being lazy and can't be bothered with it they won't be bothered by it and won't install an application

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Liam Proven
On 22 February 2012 13:43, Kris Douglas krisdoug...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Linux Mint is higher in the rankings than Ubuntu. I have just come off the phone with a customer, we write web applications and we prefer they use Google Chrome because we're planning to write a plugin and all sorts,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Alan Bell
On 22/02/12 14:14, Kris Douglas wrote: I am primarily a windows/ web developer (sadly). However I am not going to say I don't have the time or anything like that. I will happily attempt a mockup. it is mostly not as hard as you might expect. I did some messing with the apps lens having never

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Liam Proven
On 22 February 2012 16:05, Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 22/02/12 14:14, Kris Douglas wrote: I am primarily a windows/ web developer (sadly). However I am not going to say I don't have the time or anything like that. I will happily attempt a mockup. it is mostly not as hard as

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Kris Douglas
That is perfect... This is exactly what it needed, really good. Sent from my Desire HD On Feb 22, 2012 4:05 PM, Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 22/02/12 14:14, Kris Douglas wrote: I am primarily a windows/ web developer (sadly). However I am not going to say I don't have the time

[ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working

2012-02-22 Thread Alex Cockell
Hi Andy, You mentioned It doesn't matter what operating system is being used, if a person is being lazy and can't be bothered with it they won't be bothered by it and won't install an application or setup a printer because it is beyond them, or so they think. If however they are full of

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Jim Price
On 22/02/12 16:05, Alan Bell wrote: it is mostly not as hard as you might expect. I did some messing with the apps lens having never seen Vala code before and I got it doing what I wanted and sorting the applications into categories as per the gnome menu:

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity is not working.

2012-02-22 Thread Bruno Girin
On 22/02/12 14:29, Kris Douglas wrote: ... However the system could once for the first time the user uses the system lay an overlay over the top explaining how to use the menus, etc. Interestingly enough, Unity 5 in Precise does something similar: it displays an overlay when you press the