On 23/03/12 21:06, Daniel Case wrote:
I'm not saying don't evolve, just evolve in a way that most users
agree is a good idea
Catch 22. Unfortunately the vocal people who do not like something
have plenty of placard space and ability to dampen a new flame.
Evolution is a risk, a real risk.
On 23/03/12 21:06, Alan Bell wrote:
On 23/03/12 20:16, Hakan Koseoglu wrote:
soap box
Treating users as idiots is not a policy, it's a mistake.
As soon as I find a distribution worth installing everywhere, I'll be
switching. Mint doesn't cut the mustard. I'm a Kubuntu/Lubuntu user on
desktop
On 23/03/12 22:11, scoundrel50a wrote:
On 23/03/2012 22:04, Alan Pope wrote:
On 23/03/12 21:45, Daniel Case wrote:
On 23 March 2012 21:21, Neil Greenwood
neil.greenwood@gmail.com wrote:
They spent lots of money testing different behaviours
In my opinion, this is where the problem lies.
On 23/03/12 22:51, scoundrel50a wrote:
.I never once since 11.04 have seen anything about testing,
being involved, but I see people on here and have had to ask myself, and
there is a tendency to either ignore or react the way you have, and you
wonder why people get angry...first I have
On 25/03/2012 10:18, alan c wrote:
On 23/03/12 22:11, scoundrel50a wrote:
On 23/03/2012 22:04, Alan Pope wrote:
On 23/03/12 21:45, Daniel Case wrote:
On 23 March 2012 21:21, Neil Greenwood
neil.greenwood@gmail.com wrote:
They spent lots of money testing different behaviours
In my
On 25/03/12 10:48, scoundrel50a wrote:
I am glad that he has been helpful to you, but this thread has shown a
different side, one that says, if you dont like it go elsewhere, is
that helpful, that is effectively telling people he has no time for
them, that isnt consistent.if he keeps
On 23/03/2012 22:44, Alan Pope wrote:
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On 23/03/12 22:11, scoundrel50a wrote:
oooh and who took your dummy away...
Actually my patience is somewhat thin today because we cremated my
best friends Mum. Perhaps that has a bearing on my response,
On 25/03/12 10:48, scoundrel50a wrote:
On 25/03/2012 10:18, alan c wrote:
On 23/03/12 22:11, scoundrel50a wrote:
On 23/03/2012 22:04, Alan Pope wrote:
On 23/03/12 21:45, Daniel Case wrote:
On 23 March 2012 21:21, Neil Greenwood
neil.greenwood@gmail.com wrote:
They spent lots of money
On 25/03/12 11:08, Alan Bell wrote:
little stopping you from actually dragging it in the direction you want
to go. Really. Participate remotely online in the developer summit that
Oh I perhaps should mention. I had an idea for a minor improvement (I
think 'significant' ) in how Launcher
On 23/03/12 21:06, Daniel Case wrote:
I'm not saying don't evolve, just evolve in a way that most users
agree is a good idea,
so how do we define what most users want? Perhaps by doing rather a lot
of user testing
http://davidplanella.wordpress.com/2011/08/02/looking-for-testers-in-london/
On 23/03/12 22:23, Daniel Case wrote:
I've been in the Ubuntu community for 5 years already and don't plan
on leaving any time soon, but I think there needs to be some
representation of the hacker culture that Ubuntu has built up over the
years so that we can find the middle ground, it seems
On 24/03/12 01:38, Liam Proven wrote:
However, I do think that Unity in general is not /nearly/ as
customisable as Linux users tend to be used to.
I would expect more customisable options as time goes on. I have read
a statement which said that it was not policy to lack customise
options, but
On 25/03/12 11:11, scoundrel50a wrote:
its taking me forever to get
used to Ubuntu, trying another distro isnt going to workplus, from
what I can see, a lot of you are members of other distros too.this
distro is enough
(I do wish you well with the health problems)
I find that
Liam Proven wrote:
Unity is getting quite mature now. None of what I'm proposing is new
code - this is all either restoring features that were one present, or
things that have been accomplished by hacks, config tweaks and so on.
It's all doable. But it's not getting any more configurable - in
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On 25/03/12 10:48, scoundrel50a wrote:
I am glad that he has been helpful to you, but this thread has
shown a different side, one that says, if you dont like it go
elsewhere, is that helpful, that is effectively telling people he
has no time for
Well, you can volunteer to support it, and put the option back in. Or pay
someone to do it if you don't have the skills yourself. That's the joy of
free software.
However, Canonical decided they weren't going to keep paying to support it.
That's their right too.
Neil.
P.S. Sorry for the
I came late to Computing (in my late thirties as a mature student at
University, I'm 56 now). I've been mucking about with Linux since around
1998 when it took me about four days to get a Red Hat release partially
working on a laptop.
I've been looking with interest at the posts on here for a
On 24/03/12 01:38, Liam Proven wrote:
However, I do think that Unity in general is not /nearly/ as
customisable as Linux users tend to be used to.
At the moment, yes. When Unity first came out I was disappointed to
discover that it was not based on simple text conf files as is usual in
On 24/03/12 11:58, Barry Drake wrote:
On 24/03/12 01:38, Liam Proven wrote:
However, I do think that Unity in general is not /nearly/ as
customisable as Linux users tend to be used to.
At the moment, yes. When Unity first came out I was disappointed to
discover that it was not based on simple
On 24 March 2012 19:41, Pete Smout psmo...@live.com wrote:
It is about personal choice but Unity is not mine! Xubuntu here I come!
That's how I feel too.
Do Canonical take any notes of these lists?
Sean
--
ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
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On 24/03/12 20:20, Sean Miller wrote:
On 24 March 2012 19:41, Pete Smout psmo...@live.com wrote:
It is about personal choice but Unity is not mine! Xubuntu here I
come!
That's how I feel too.
Do Canonical take any notes of these lists?
Neil Greenwood wrote:
Well, you can volunteer to support it, and put the option back in. Or
pay someone to do it if you don't have the skills yourself. That's
the joy of free software.
However, Canonical decided they weren't going to keep paying to
support it. That's their right too.
I
Hi there ... I used to like the way that the launcher used to slide
away when there was a window over it and re-appear when there wasn't.
Now in Precise, we seem only to be able to have autohide or permanently
in place. The Compiz configurator and MyUnity both seem to suggest
that I can
It's policy. The decision was made after usability testing, where users got
confused when first maximising a window. where's the launcher gone now?
And because the option was being removed, the decision was also made to
remove the code to reduce the maintenance requirements.
Neil.
P.S. Sorry for
On 23 March 2012 19:54, Neil Greenwood neil.greenwood@gmail.com wrote:
It's policy. The decision was made after usability testing, where users got
confused when first maximising a window. where's the launcher gone now?
And because the option was being removed, the decision was also made to
On 23/03/12 20:16, Hakan Koseoglu wrote:
soap box
Treating users as idiots is not a policy, it's a mistake.
As soon as I find a distribution worth installing everywhere, I'll be
switching. Mint doesn't cut the mustard. I'm a Kubuntu/Lubuntu user on
desktop and Ubuntu server but I don't want to
On 23 March 2012 20:16, Hakan Koseoglu ha...@koseoglu.org wrote:
But the new users don't discover Linux all by themselves, in
most cases someone shows them and I don't want to show and talk about
Ubuntu to anyone anymore.
I discovered it myself, but I agree that the launcher should not
On 23 March 2012 21:06, Daniel Case danielcas...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 March 2012 20:16, Hakan Koseoglu ha...@koseoglu.org wrote:
But the new users don't discover Linux all by themselves, in
most cases someone shows them and I don't want to show and talk about
Ubuntu to anyone anymore.
I
On 23 March 2012 21:11, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote:
It doesn't have to be there all the time, there is an option to hide
it. It then appears when the mouse is pushed against the edge of the
screen (on 12.04)
I noticed this, however it often comes out when I go for the close
button
I know some find it a bit annoying, but Canonical didn't just decide this.
They spent lots of money testing different behaviours with users with a
range of experience of computers. I believe all the users tested had little
experience of Linux.
Mark Shuttleworth even had to say that the results
On 23 March 2012 21:16, Daniel Case danielcas...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 March 2012 21:11, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote:
It doesn't have to be there all the time, there is an option to hide
it. It then appears when the mouse is pushed against the edge of the
screen (on 12.04)
I
On 23 March 2012 21:25, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote:
On 23 March 2012 21:16, Daniel Case danielcas...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 March 2012 21:11, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote:
It doesn't have to be there all the time, there is an option to hide
it. It then appears when the
On 23 March 2012 21:21, Neil Greenwood neil.greenwood@gmail.com wrote:
They spent lots of money testing different behaviours
In my opinion, this is where the problem lies. The main people Linux
attracts, no matter which way you look at it, are hackers (in the
general sense). The reason
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On 23/03/12 21:45, Daniel Case wrote:
On 23 March 2012 21:21, Neil Greenwood
neil.greenwood@gmail.com wrote:
They spent lots of money testing different behaviours
In my opinion, this is where the problem lies. The main people
Linux
On 23/03/2012 22:04, Alan Pope wrote:
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On 23/03/12 21:45, Daniel Case wrote:
On 23 March 2012 21:21, Neil Greenwood
neil.greenwood@gmail.com wrote:
They spent lots of money testing different behaviours
In my opinion, this is where the problem
Hi Alan,
I appreciate what the design teams are trying to do and I appreciate
that it is very difficult (or even impossible -as I have never seen it
done effectively) to provide the same operating system that works for
both new users and hackers alike.
New users like the OS to guide them through
On 23/03/12 22:04, Alan Pope wrote:
Personally I am in this for the long haul. Each 6 monthly release is
fantastic, but I'm thinking years away from now, and I'm happy to
persevere through the rough times because I think the long term goal
is worth it.
Alan - well said! Folk who really want
On 23 March 2012 22:34, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote:
Anyone who still has doubt, start testing Windows 8 . 'shoot' and
'foot' spring to mind.
That's certainly true. But I can't help feeling that everything is
heading towards the post-PC era too early. For example, I can
On 23/03/2012 22:34, Barry Drake wrote:
On 23/03/12 22:04, Alan Pope wrote:
Personally I am in this for the long haul. Each 6 monthly release is
fantastic, but I'm thinking years away from now, and I'm happy to
persevere through the rough times because I think the long term goal
is worth it.
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On 23/03/12 22:11, scoundrel50a wrote:
oooh and who took your dummy away...
Actually my patience is somewhat thin today because we cremated my
best friends Mum. Perhaps that has a bearing on my response, but it
puts things in perspective. Life
Personally, I think that the code should continue to be maintained. The
argument being put forth sounds to me like It is not the default,
therefore no-one can have it. This argument does not work - look at
Windows - the taskbar has an autohide option. Look at OS X; the much
gone-on-about full
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On 23/03/12 22:23, Daniel Case wrote:
New users like the OS to guide them through the process, whereas
hackers want it to get out of their way so they can be more
productive. Two very different approaches, you either confuse one
or annoy the
On 23/03/2012 22:44, Alan Pope wrote:
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On 23/03/12 22:11, scoundrel50a wrote:
oooh and who took your dummy away...
Actually my patience is somewhat thin today because we cremated my
best friends Mum. Perhaps that has a bearing on my response,
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On 23/03/12 22:41, Daniel Case wrote:
On 23 March 2012 22:34, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com
wrote:
Anyone who still has doubt, start testing Windows 8 .
'shoot' and 'foot' spring to mind.
That's certainly true. But I can't help
On 23 March 2012 22:44, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote:
Actually my patience is somewhat thin today because we cremated my
best friends Mum. Perhaps that has a bearing on my response, but it
puts things in perspective. Life is short.
I'm sorry to hear that Alan, my thoughts are with
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On 23/03/12 22:55, Daniel Case wrote:
I was just trying to highlight the general problem I've been
having and have a constructive discussion on the mailing list to
see what others thought, I'm not attacking Ubuntu or Unity in any
way and I think
On 23 March 2012 20:16, Hakan Koseoglu ha...@koseoglu.org wrote:
On 23 March 2012 19:54, Neil Greenwood neil.greenwood@gmail.com wrote:
It's policy. The decision was made after usability testing, where users got
confused when first maximising a window. where's the launcher gone now?
And
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