The Precise Pangolin has reached end of life, so this bug will not be
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** Changed in: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu Precise)
Status: Triaged => Won't Fix
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Status: Confirmed => Expired
** Changed in: rhythmbox
Status: Confirmed => Expired
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the fix looks like it'll reintroduce some form of #9529? or was the use
of level4n instead of level4nl intentional?
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ok, Daniel and Julien put last two nails into that coffin. I removed
right control as level5 modifier in git. Thank you everybody. Really
sorry there is no perfect solution here...
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Title:
Can't use space bar in search bar when using
FWIW after user complaints I've reverted this change in Debian's
xkeyboard-config, to have right control behave normally again.
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At the risk of just making things worse ...
My €0.02 is that we should stick with level 5 right Control as being
optional. This is a marginal (in terms of percentage of userbase that
will ever see/use it) layout that people have to go out of their way to
use, but still taking away a modifier is a
BTW, about the punctuation signs that, in French, requires a nbsp before
them, i.e. ; : ! ? (for perfect typographic correctness, while
usually few people know about this and nobody really cares...) :
Usual word processing programs, such as OpenOffice / LibreOffice, when
configured to the
Swâmi,
We've all laid out these arguments many times over. Yes, this issue is
frustrating (and I regret having vented some of my own frustration in my
first comments) but let's keep it civil.
There are proposed solutions. I, for one, think Andreas' proposal is the
best way out of the current
I too believe that Andreas' proposal is the right one. It permits people
who really want the extra 5th level to be able to easily get it, while
not breaking the 99% usual usage.
Just for the record, I had not seen the linuxfr discussion. I guess
mostly only people who would want the extra 5th
About a short nbsp in french, let's make it perfectly clear that there
must be about a hundred professionnal typographists in the whole country
who care about it - most of them not using Linux BTW - and the rest of
the ~40 million computer users here don't give a shit about a short
nbsp and don't
Created attachment 98826
Make Level 5 choosers more easily available
The patch makes existing options for Level 5 choosers more easily
available by adding them to the rules. This is useful in its own right,
irrespective of this bug. In context of this ongoing discussion, it
would allow to
Nicolas,
Where does the need to *have* a key for nbsp come from? Isn't a compose
combo more appropriate and less error-prone?
Cheers
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(In reply to comment #75)
Nicolas,
Where does the need to *have* a key for nbsp come from?
Because unlike in English most French punctuation symbols require a
space (sometimes a short space) before. And if it's not a non-breakable
space apps will perform line breaks at the wrong position and
(In reply to comment #76)
Compose is not appropriate for basic symbols you need to write pretty much
any correct sentence in the target language. And adding a specific input
method for one symbol just because some people can't live with the modifier
ISO chose for level 5 is disproportionnate.
I'm at a loss as to what to do to help find a solution for everyone.
fr-oss is a great layout with many useful improvements over fr-latin9,
but the missing ControlR is a deal breaker. I'm personally back to using
the default fr layout and I'll advise users to do the same if they
want their
(In reply to comment #66)
Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in
France? Like slashdot.org or smth...
There is a popular Linux-oriented site in France (linuxfr.org) and the
final ajustments of this layout were done after discussion on this site.
I realise there
(In reply to comment #69)
…
Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in
France? Like slashdot.org or smth...
There is a popular Linux-oriented site in France (linuxfr.org) and the
final ajustments of this layout were done after discussion on this site.
I
(In reply to comment #69)
(In reply to comment #66)
Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in
France? Like slashdot.org or smth...
There is a popular Linux-oriented site in France (linuxfr.org) and the
final ajustments of this layout were done after
(In reply to comment #70)
If no agreement can be reached, would it be possible to have the old layout
accessible, even under another name?
The old layout was never removed and kept its historical name (fr
latin9)
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The old layout was never removed and kept its historical name (fr latin9)
No, we are speaking here of fr/oss, but before it got right Ctrl as
level5 modifier (what this bug end up changing).
I bet everyone complaining here was very happy with fr/oss before this
Level5
(In reply to comment #71)
And even if we wanted to please those apps, we mayb be able to without
adding a new modifier (Level5) and a key for it -- again, see (comment #46).
I'm pretty sure some of the other spacebar configurations available as
xkb options do not require level5. They are not
Nicolas, I understand the logic in your position about Level 5. But I
see a number of unhappy people. Could we find some other level5 chooser?
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Okay, your vote is currently happening on
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013881
with 4 new entries today (from different people), 100% of them saying :
« PLEASE GIVE US OUR RIGHT [CTRL] KEY BEHAVING AS A [CTRL] KEY BACK !!!
»
To summarize further, AFAIK, there is ONE person in the world
Since apparently no hardware maker is following ISO standards, may I suggest
creating new layouts such as oss-iso with Nicolas' changes?
Nicolas, what do you think?
Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in
France? Like slashdot.org or smth...
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At my knowledge it is http://linuxfr.org/ the most famous and oldest site of
that kind.
There is also others web sites, but they are more general, they have general
computer related news (http://www.nextinpact.com/ http://www.clubic.com/
http://www.numerama.com/).
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At my knowledge it is http://linuxfr.org/ the most famous and oldest site of
that kind.
There is also others web sites, but they are more general, they have general
computer related news (http://www.nextinpact.com/ http://www.clubic.com/
http://www.numerama.com/).
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There is also ubuntu-fr.org
Le 27 avr. 2014 00:01, Yvon TANGUY von...@yahoo.fr a écrit :
At my knowledge it is http://linuxfr.org/ the most famous and oldest site
of that kind.
There is also others web sites, but they are more general, they have
general computer related news
2014-04-26 16:50 GMT-04:00 Sergey V. Udaltsov s...@gnome.org:
Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in
France? Like slashdot.org or smth...
I think you are looking for http://linuxfr.org/
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Great ! Now the FR right [Ctrl] is B.R.O.K.E.N on Ubuntu 14.04 as well.
Given the number of french Ubuntu users (+ upcoming derivatives) I think
you'll have your vote and survey very soon, just by taking a look at
lauchpad bug entries and new comments on
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013881 -
I'm French and I think left and right control keys should behave the
same as in every other normal french layouts.
Here is a survey for those in here that want to give their opinion:
http://doodle.com/i3f5vpiaqk37ebms
I agree with Remi, I understand we want to follow the ISO standard, but
if the
Hah... actually I'm the one that reported that bug 6 years ago! I didn't even
remember...
I think it's time to close this bug once and for all. So please, vote ;)
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I feel extremely uneasy because I am a user of free software and I am
full of respect and gratitude for the people who make this possible,
including of course Nicolas Mailhot. I am an amateur and I am conscious
that I rely entirely on the work of devoted paid and unpaid
professionals.
But in this
(In reply to comment #60)
Gentlemen, I am really stuck at that point.
Allow me to sum it up.
- Nicolas is the sole advocate of having Control_R mapped to Level5.
- The rest of us want to go back to having both left and right Control
behaving the same way.
I'm not quite sure how you want us
Gentlemen, I am really stuck at that point. I am refusing to make any changes
before there is either some kind of agreement - or there are some minimally
conclusive voting results.
I do not take any sides (I cannot have any personal opinion, not using French).
I am just freezing the situation.
All answers ask to perform the change. How is that not an agreement? I was
hoping to get it in this release of Ubuntu. Alas.
2014-04-18 1:06 GMT+02:00 Sergey V. Udaltsov s...@gnome.org:
Gentlemen, I am really stuck at that point. I am refusing to make any
changes before there is either some
BTW Sergey, I'm a bit surprised that you want a vote to fix something
that people complain about, when you didn't need any vote to break it in
the first place...
Would you need a vote, I suggest that you put a survey system online by
yourself on any web page that you'd like (so you know the vote
Sergey, you might want to check Ubuntu bug
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1013881
, which is a downstream reflection of this one.
There are some other loud voices there that you might consider as
taking part to the vote that you want.
I had in my office 2 peopl
(In reply to comment #54)
So, finally, is everybody happy with me removing that line:
include level5(rctrl_switch)
No, just didn't see the point of restating what has already been written
before
A level 5 map needs a level 5 switch, iso defined right ctrl as default
level 5 switch so there
Repeating :
1/ Standard French keyboard has NO [CtrlGr] key. It does have 2 normal
[Ctrl] keys bearing the exact same label. The right [Ctrl] key actually
is a right [Ctrl] key and no other modifier or whatever.
2/ There are quite a *lot* of common, daily used by professional IT
staff, keyboard
I never heard of or used the level5 either, but to solve the issue could
we maybe put it in another layout? For example something like oss-
level5?
I personally have to patch the file on every package update and even if
I'm used to that and have the patch ready now, it gets annoying. On my
laptop
Even though I've been an IT professional for the past 3O years, I went
to a large computer store in France over lunch time, to find out if such
thing as a [CtrlGr] key could possibly exist on a french keyboard.
Let me tell you : I couldn't find any.
OTOH, I was surprised to notice that some
I had yet another good reason to revert to a normal right [CTRL] key
on a Fedora this morning:
I was working in a terminal with several open terminal tabs. Switching
between tabs is made using [Ctrl]-[PageUp] and [Ctrl]-[PageDown] - same
goes with other Gnome tabbed apps, as well as Firefox and
So, finally, is everybody happy with me removing that line:
include level5(rctrl_switch)
? If no objections within next week - I will just drop it.
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Could someone create poll on some french(belgian) web site, linux-oriented.
Which behavior would be preferable?
Is this even necessary? I mean, the change wasn't made in the first
place because an user wasn't happy with the state, but because some apps
couldn't handle
More arguments in favor of reverting to an normal behaviour of Ctrl-R:
-- Most computers in most operating systems, languages (including French until
recently), desktops... have two identical Ctrl keys. It is queer to have French
keyboards doing otherwise since a few years.
-- Like having two
I spent a couple days extremely disappointed to have a broken right
[CTRL] key on a french keyboard on recent Arch installs, thus being
unable to use VirtualBox properly, and googling around (and let me tell
you that my googling showed me a *lot* of french people are really upset
with this as
Could someone create poll on some french(belgian) web site, linux-
oriented. Which behavior would be preferable?
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Can't
(In reply to comment #50)
Could someone create poll on some french(belgian) web site, linux-oriented.
Which behavior would be preferable?
A poll would be pointless as its representativeness would be very hard to
determine.
Most users don't care as long as it works and may not even know there
That was just an idea. As usual, when there are controversies... Trying
to be democratic:)
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Title:
Can't use space bar in search
Le 13 mars 2014 04:56, Swâmi Petaramesh 221...@bugs.launchpad.net a
écrit :
I finally found out that this breakage comes from
this commit :
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xkeyboard-
config/commit/symbols/fr?id=518c769df2e9ce70cb721769a08b81504f243b2a
( http://goo.gl/SWU8Is )
I remember that
For some reason, I found myself using the 'fr oss' layout in Gnome 3.10.
And I must say that finding out that this layout was picked as the
default left me speechless: two keys on my keyboard no longer behave
according to what's *on* the actual key:
- the right control key, which just says Ctrl,
(In reply to comment #45)
(In reply to comment #44)
Until a solution is to be found, could 518c769d be reverted for now?
Breaking the very standard behavior of right control
It does not break the very standard behavior of right control any more than
altrgr breaks the very standard
Hello,
Until a solution is to be found, could 518c769d be reverted for now?
Breaking the very standard behavior of right control in all applications
(e.g. xterminals!!) is really not acceptable, compared to the few issues
that the behavior has without it.
Samuel
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Hello,
Until a solution is to be found, could 518c769d be reverted for now?
Breaking the very standard behavior of right control
It does not break the very standard behavior of right control any more
than altrgr breaks the very standard behavior of right alt
It's
Any update on this? Emacs using the french keyboard is still broken
under Saucy (see comment #156).
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Title:
Can't use space bar
with too many types]. I do not have rythmbox, so I cannot test.
Can anybody with rhythmbox try that?
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Title:
Can't use space
I am honestly not sure how to translate that requirement into XKB
terms...
I agree - intercepting those combinations is really odd. So I always
have possibility to close this as WONTFIX. But if we manage to invent
something - that would be better..
can xkb work ass passthrough
It took me a
(In reply to comment #39)
So, lads, with configurable nbsp - is there any solution that would make you
all reasonably happy?
Is there a way to make the spacebar more neutral *except* for the
combinations that trigger something else than space? The main complain
seems to be that some apps want
This reminds me of bug #45008. Just here, LOCAL_EIGHT_LEVEL does not
preserve Control. Adding preserve[Control]= Control into
LOCAL_EIGHT_LEVEL might fix the issue, an as it is not used elsewhere,
it actually might be acceptable [but it also means that
LOCAL_EIGHT_LEVEL in really a waste, given
So, lads, with configurable nbsp - is there any solution that would make
you all reasonably happy?
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Title:
Can't use space bar
I can confirm that the proposed fix in #155 (replace level4nl by
level4n) is enough to fix ctrl-space in emacs(where it is a very
frequently used key combination).
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After discussions about the bug #1013881, it seems that the right way to solve
this bug is to change the line 128 of symbol/fr
include nbsp(level4nl)
by
include nbsp(level4n)
For an unknown reason, the line «include nbsp(level4nl)» produces the
bug of Rhythmbox.
This way, we can get :
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Status: Fix Committed = Triaged
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Can't use space bar in search
The fix has been reverted out, due to a bug report (bug #1013881) filed
about it during testing in -proposed.
You guys will need to work with upstream to find a better way of fixing
it that doesn't cause regressions for anyone.
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You guys will need to work with upstream to find a better way of fixing
it that doesn't cause regressions for anyone.
Actually, on Fedora the shortcut for playing is Ctrl+Space and it works
just right.
It's simple, obvious and ok for
Ping! ;-)
Sergey, can you commit any solution? Better get a fix than wait for ages
to be sure it's the best choice.
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Ok, committed that one. Please check.
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Title:
Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative
keyboard
To
The solution posted in comment #27 disables the standard behaviour of
the Right-Ctrl key. It is annoying for most users! (I first thought that
my keyboard was broken).
See the bug 1013881 in Ubuntu
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1013881
My opinion is that the
(In reply to comment #33)
The solution posted in comment #27 disables the standard behaviour of the
Right-Ctrl key. It is annoying for most users! (I first thought that my
keyboard was broken).
See the bug 1013881 in Ubuntu
And what if instead of
include nbsp(level4nl)
we put non-breaking space to level 3. I find it more convenient (
include nbsp(level4n)
include level5(rctrl_switch)
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And what if instead of level 4, we put non-breaking space to level 3. I
find it is more convenient (and I think I am not alone).
So, instead of:
include nbsp(level4nl)
we put non-breaking space to level 3:
include nbsp(level3n)
This gives us back the Right-Ctrl. It does not break
(In reply to comment #36)
And what if instead of level 4, we put non-breaking space to level 3. I find
it
is more convenient (and I think I am not alone).
So, instead of:
include nbsp(level4nl)
we put non-breaking space to level 3:
include nbsp(level3n)
This gives us back the
(but now the nbsp behaviour is configurable so you should be able to
override the default on your system if you wish)
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I can confirm that the update fixes the issue
** Tags removed: verification-needed
** Tags added: verification-done
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Thanks for the fix!
I'm sorry I can't test this package, I'm no longer on Ubuntu.
I'm sure someone else can test it though considering the number of users
registered to this bug and to its duplicates.
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Title:
Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative
keyboard
To manage
Hello Creak, or anyone else affected,
Accepted xkeyboard-config into precise-proposed. The package will build
now and be available in a few hours. Please test and give feedback here.
See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation how
to enable and use -proposed. Thank you in
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/precise-proposed/xkeyboard-config
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Can't use space bar in search bar when using french
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Title:
Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative
keyboard
** Description changed:
- Binary package hint: rhythmbox
+ [Impact]
+ In the fr(oss) keymap, both space and Ctrl + space return the same
XLookupString, which prevents space from being used in some applications.
- I tried to search for The Do in the search bar, but the space bar
- didn't write
** Also affects: rhythmbox (Ubuntu Precise)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
** Also affects: quodlibet (Ubuntu Precise)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
** Also affects: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu Precise)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
** No longer affects:
I'm affected by this bug on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (amd64) with French → French
Keyboard.
When I enter a search, if I press the spacebar, the letter doesnt appear but
the play/pause button is actionned.
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Lads, for me that makes no difference. Just please settle that between
you
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Can't use space bar in search bar when using
I am ok with solution by zebob. Any objections? Nicolas?
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Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative
This bug has been bothering me again.
Instead of
include nbsp(level4nl)
I used:
include nbsp(level4n)
include level5(rctrl_switch)
With these parameters, Rhythmbox search is working correctly and we do
have the thin nbsp on the sixth level (RCtrl+Shift+Space) as needed by
Nicolas
Could you make a choice at last? This bug is very annoying, and since
the solution is here, please decide fast about it. Thanks! ;-)
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Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative
keyboard
To manage
Reminder: the workaround is to use the France keyboard layout instead
of France Autre
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Title:
Can't use space bar in search bar
Bug is still there in natty
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keyboard
** Changed in: xkeyboard-config
Importance: Unknown = Medium
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** Changed in: xkeyboard-config
Importance: Medium = Unknown
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Can't use space bar in search bar when using french
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Please do not change the status without any comment. I can still use the
space bar here on maverick today's update with french alternative oss
keyboard.
** Changed in: rhythmbox (Ubuntu)
Status: Confirmed = Fix Released
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** Changed in: rhythmbox (Ubuntu)
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ok, after discussing with upstream, try to find where the issue can be
fixed in a elegant manner, it seems we can find a workaround in
xkeyboard-config (but loosing the right ctrl key modifier, this is a
tradeoff). Reassigning the package for that.
** Changed in: rhythmbox (Ubuntu)
Status:
This bug was fixed in the package xkeyboard-config - 1.8-1ubuntu7
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xkeyboard-config (1.8-1ubuntu7) lucid; urgency=low
* add debian/patches/130_fix_oss_ctrl_space_accelerator.patch:
- don't include level4nl but only level4n for french oss layout.
both space and Ctrl +
First of all, thanks a lot Didier for handling this bug!
And second of all ^^, what do you mean by loosing the right ctrl key
modifier? Do you mean it just won't work anymore? If that's the case, could
you explain us why (I don't see the link between the ctrl key and the space bar)
Thanks!
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Well, it's quite complicated and took me one full day to talk to upstream, look
at the involved code, and so on…
You can have a look at the source upload or upstream bug, but in a nutshell:
- we don't use loose right control key in the oss layout :)
- we just loose the modifier combo like right
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