[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10
You make excellent points. 1) Going forward I believe the Gnome guys see anything that's not libinput as unsupported. So we could log an enhancement request to get them to add Xorg synaptics support (ie. tweak the same things as 'synclient' does). But they're likely to ignore that request. Still, I think if someone could implement it based on the synclient code, they might accept a patch. 2) This is certainly a problem and what we should be fixing (although I haven't tested upgrades myself to verify). Let's make this bug about the upgrade problem. Thanks for persisting and figuring it out. ** Summary changed: - touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10 + Touchpad settings don't work after upgrading to 17.10 (xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is still installed) ** Summary changed: - Touchpad settings don't work after upgrading to 17.10 (xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is still installed) + Touchpad settings don't work after upgrading to 17.10 (because xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is still installed) ** Changed in: libinput (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete => New ** Also affects: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** No longer affects: libinput ** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => High ** Changed in: libinput (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => High ** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) Importance: High => Medium ** Changed in: libinput (Ubuntu) Importance: High => Medium -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to libinput in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1733032 Title: Touchpad settings don't work after upgrading to 17.10 (because xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is still installed) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1733032/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10
OK, so... Both disabling tap-to-click and enabling disable-touchpad-while-typing work properly, in both "Ubuntu" and "Ubuntu on Xorg", when I remove the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package. I suppose that means this bug is invalid, BUT... 1) It still seems like a bug to me that installing xserver-xorg-input- synaptics breaks stuff. Shouldn't both the settings app and gnome-tweak- tool be able to tell when that X server driver is being used and behave appropriately? 2) I don't believe I ever installed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics by hand, so I assume it was a holdover from before I upgraded to 17.10. So is it a bug we should be paying attention to -- or documenting in the release notes, or SOMETHING -- that upgrading from before 17.10 to 17.10 or later is going to break anyone who has the xserver-xorg-input- synaptics package installed before the upgrade? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to libinput in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1733032 Title: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libinput/+bug/1733032/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10
** Changed in: libinput Status: Unknown => Invalid ** Changed in: libinput Importance: Unknown => Medium -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to libinput in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1733032 Title: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libinput/+bug/1733032/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10
"Tap to Click" is meant to be configurable in the GUI here: Settings > Devices > Mouse & Touchpad > Touchpad > Tap to Click If you don't see that option then the issue is either: (a) libinput or the kernel have not detected your touchpad as a clickpad correctly; or (b) You have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed so the Touchpad GUI will be missing. Also note this will be ignored by libinput as it is a setting for xserver-xorg-input-synaptics only: Section "InputClass" Identifier "disable touchpad tap to click, enable palm detection" Driver "synaptics" Please clarify for us if you have kept xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed. Because if you have and continue to log into "Ubuntu on Xorg", then libinput has nothing to do with your issues and this bug needs redirecting elsewhere. ** Changed in: libinput (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Incomplete -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to libinput in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1733032 Title: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libinput/+bug/1733032/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10
** Also affects: libinput via https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104956 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to libinput in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1733032 Title: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libinput/+bug/1733032/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10
Logging into Ubuntu (i.e., not "Ubuntu on Xorg"), the "Disable While Typing" Touchpad setting in gnome-tweak-tool now appears to work. Furthermore, tapping to click does _not_ work, i.e., the behavior I want is present by default as far as I can tell. In fact, I can't figure out any way to cause tapping the touchpad to generate a click. So either the behavior has changed in an update since I reported this bug, or I was using Xorg but thought I was using Wayland. Logging into Ubuntu on Xorg, without anything special in any of my X server config files, the "Disable While Typing" setting in gnome-tweak- tool doesn't do anything, and tap to click is enabled and there's no way I can find to disable it. So that appears to be a bug in GNOME, not a bug in libinput. There should be a way to disable tap to click, and the "Disable While Typing" setting should be obeyed. If it's not, then I believe that means GNOME isn't populating that setting through to the X server the way it needs to be, which doesn't sound like a libinput bug. Logging into Ubuntu on Xorg, these lines added to the "libinput touchpad catchall" section of /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf appear to have no effect, even though Xorg.0.log confirms that section is being applied: Option "Tapping" "false" Option "DisableWhileTyping" "true" Option "PalmDetection" "true" Perhaps this is a libinput bug, or perhaps the synaptics sections that are being applied to the device after the libinput sections are overriding the libinput settings? Again logging into Ubuntu on Xorg, if I add this to my X config then tap to click is gone and it seems like there is _some_ protection against brushing against the trackpad, although there still isn't full disable by typing: Section "InputClass" Identifier "disable touchpad tap to click, enable palm detection" Driver "synaptics" MatchIsTouchpad "on" MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*" Option "MaxTapTime" "0" Option "PalmDetect" "on" EndSection So, the potential issues that _I_ see here are that the Disable While Typing setting does not work in "Ubuntu on Xorg", and that the libinput options I'm configuring into my X server don't appear to take effect. Should I indeed open a libinput bug about that, or re-open the bug I opened and closed but clarify in the re-opened bug that it only applies to Xorg, not to Wayland? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to libinput in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1733032 Title: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libinput/+bug/1733032/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10
Actually, I think opening a libinput bug is premature, for reasons I will explain below. I'm going to close that other bug until I can quantify better what is going on. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to libinput in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1733032 Title: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libinput/+bug/1733032/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10
Filed https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104956. ** Bug watch added: freedesktop.org Bugzilla #104956 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104956 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to libinput in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1733032 Title: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libinput/+bug/1733032/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 1733032] Re: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10
Jonathan, I suggest a workaround might be to: 1. sudo apt install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics 2. Only log in to "Ubuntu on Xorg", so now you're avoiding libinput completely. 3. Tweak your settings with 'synclient'. Since this sounds like a problem specifically with libinput, please help us to progress this issue by reporting it upstream to the libinput developers here: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=wayland=libinput And when done, let us know the ID of the newly-created bug. ** Package changed: gnome-shell (Ubuntu) => libinput (Ubuntu) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to libinput in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1733032 Title: touchpad disable while typing, disable tap-to-click don't work in 17.10 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libinput/+bug/1733032/+subscriptions ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp