Friends
There is no way you can run a system in a country using one tribe, that is just
a delusion. Let me walk with you slowly at a ministry that has a team of one
tribe in power, honestly within that ministry there are other tribes of lower
scales. What have they done to stop the corruption within that ministry? Are
you telling me that all managers, all assistant managers, all heads of
departments, all assistant heads of departments, all supervisors, and all
assistant supervisors are of one tribe up to the office messengers? What part
have those done to stop the corruption? And I have been in those ministries,
honestly I have seen Bakiga, I have seen Batoro, I have seen Acholi, I have
seen many Easterners working in those ministries. What part have they done
about corruption? The entire Uganda government work force Is not a one tribe of
Banyankole, where are all the rest of tribes that work in it who have raised up
to stop corruption? Do we have massive firings in the country of none
Banyankole for they are fighting corruption?
Is Mengo the most efficiently ran institution in the country? It is not ran by
Banyankole. How about UPC party? Were you in Kampala during the looting after
the Amin fall, did you see only one tribe looting? Did you see one tribe
refusing to loot? Well you wanted to go tribal let us tribalize the full fledge.
One of the reasons I struggle with pieces about creating buying power in
Uganda, you end up gaining the ownership into society, if people raise their
own money and build a water system for their system in Mpigi, it becomes their
own system, for they contributed the money to build it. So you create the jobs
in Mpigi, tax those jobs and use that money to build the system. Those very
same people will protect that system. Every public investment in Uganda is
owned by The World Bank, it is owned by the American Administration, it is
owned by the British Government, what investment is in Uganda that is actually
owned by Ugandans? What do you see in Uganda that makes you proud for you used
your money to build it?
Rwanda has not become a problem for Rwandese are today allowed to be recognized
by the constitution, Rwanda has been a sucker on Uganda for a very long time.
We drove into Kigali one time during the Binayisa government, and UEB Land
Rovers were being driven with their logos. Land Rovers with the tag of Ministry
of Animal Resources were being driven with their logos. Uganda Police Land
Rovers were being driven with their crane logos. Rwandese were actually only
removing the plates and replacing them with the Rwanda plates but never cared
about the logos. We went back during the Museveni early years and same story
was happening. In fact Uganda vehicles were not only in Rwanda but in Burundi
and DRC as well. For a very long time DRC has not imported vehicles for they
were using Uganda loot. Uganda has been buying bulks of vehicles, the Akena
Adoko Land Cruisers, remember them that had only three gears? That was a whole
bunch. Under Amin Land Rovers were coming in tens of thousands, some for
ministries, some for police, some for prisons, some for the army, but an entire
bunch was showing up. Tires were being purchased by full ships. Cooperatives in
Bwayise had thousands of Fiat 110NC, the Tata trucks who knew the amount?
Uganda transport Corporation had buses in thousands literally. Where do all
those vehicles end up?
They all end up back in Kenya, Rwanda, Tanzania, Burundi or DRC, for a very
long time Uganda has been the main importer of vehicles to all of our
neighbors. DRC did not even bother to remove the Uganda plates, you would see a
00UA 069, a 00BT 462 with a Uganda army emblem passing you. We did not need an
Interpol agency to pick up our vehicles, we only needed the good will to pick
them up. We never needed OnStar to locate our vehicles we just needed
nationalism. Central Africa Republic for a very long time never imported cars
they have been using Uganda supply. Uganda transport Corporation with all its
logos ferrying the population in the firkin capital. The fact that you rotate
within Kampala and do not know what is happening out there doesn’t change the
facts, Ugandans agreed to loot their country from the day Amin left to today.
When Museveni came to power, we collected books from the universities here to
be sent to Makerere University, we handed the container to Tomusange that was
the then ambassador in Ottawa, the container was sold in Der Es Salaam it never
reached Kampala. Now how the hell did that happen when handed them to the
embassy? I can run a full country of Uganda today by recollecting our loots
from the neighboring countries. Tanzanians never looted our military hard ware,
it was actually collected by Acholi and loaded on Uganda trucks and some even
driven by Acholi to firkin Mutukula.
Uganda Army was so equipped that we had a hard ware that would split up and
create a mobile bridge, for the rest of tanks to roll across a river and go to
the attacking position, it rolls back up its self and drives as a tank piece in
pursue. Bugolobi, Malire, Magama the ordinance Deport, The firkin Kifarus, do
you even have a firkin clue how that country was armed? A kid in the other
barracks in West Nile. Kisuule was the name probably, would line up tanks for
five straight miles, sit on a Land Rover behind them and command forward. A
power to go through every single barrier. Masaka had the largest small tanks
that were running on tires, remember those? Quick fast and very litho. Friends
where did all those equipment disappear to? Ugandans hated Iddi Amin so much
for he was a hell on earth, collected all of them and handed all of them to the
Tanzanians for firkin free. It is the very same spirit of we hate Donald J
Trump let us torch the city building we live in. They walked back into Banda
started to drink Waragi as they were watching the light bulbs of the Kampala
city line, and said “Yiyi chacha in yetu” walked at the back of the slam, take
a piss, with a fart, when holding an old AK47. That is all they left
themselves, a piss, a fart, with an old AK47.
3/4s of all the money Ugandans loot is what is building Rwanda, is what is
building Kenya, is what is building Tanzania, is what is building these big
banks here, we see them showing up here and in 6 months he drives a brand new
Mercedes Benz, then you wonder why EM that has lived here that long cannot
manage it.
Is Uganda’s problem today Banyankole corruption? Give me a firkin break, for I
am not of your age, been there, seen it all !!!!!!!!
EM -> { Trump for 2020 }
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com <ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
On Behalf Of john kwitonda
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:11 AM
To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: {UAH} Simon okurut: How can tribalism be controlled in Uganda? Any
suggestions?
Simon,
Exactly.some of these things are just to small to even talk about. all is
needed it to prepares kids confidence, evironment definately is key.i think
every can live happily,it is the leaders that bring out this eveil openly by
practising nepotism and tribalism.
i can tell you the westerners had prominent rolls in Obote 2 regime.even people
like kirunda luwuliza were more powerful.name <http://powerful.name> people
like Tiberondwa, rwakasisi, kagurusi etc complaints of tribalism were less
only in army then. i think mostly becasue those ministers in obote 2 had real
powers. could decide policies.unlike these ministers. you can expect much from
them even if is from yr region.
Muwange refused to have his son minister of agriculture bse it would not look
nice even though he had all the requirements. im told Id Amin castigated his
wife who wanted to have a bag of dollars in state house for herself saying this
is taxpayers money. if leaders do the right things ,all these things will not
surface but do come out out frustrations. people start to ask many questions
why they situations dont improve.
i have seen 80 trucks full of mineral products were transporting products from
karamoja. no money paid and uganda want that situation to continue. how long
has that been goin on? some were goin to kapeka for tails and others to tororo
for cement.karamoja remains poor!
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 11:45 PM Simon Okurut <sspoku...@gmail.com
<mailto:sspoku...@gmail.com> > wrote:
John,
True, simply put, environment shapes tribalism and racism. Adults raised from
backgrounds that don't prepare their children for life after school tend to
show such tendencies.
Unguarded pride, jealousy, envy, greed, dissatisfaction and hate are all
embedded in such tribalists. As you correctly observed, having a car if you can
afford and it's necessary is okay, so is having a bicycle, motor cycle or none
at all if you cannot afford. You will still be able to travel anywhere.
Long ago I sometimes fought "gently" with my Muganda friend and classmate over
silly things. Some of the things we fought over was traditional food and
wealth. For instance, one day he said that Iteso were poorer than Baganda
because the Baganda grow a lot of coffee. So I asked him to tell me how many
lorries or train wagons of cattle leave Kampala for Teso compared to the number
of cows that come from Teso going to Kampala. Then he said that Baganda didn't
keep many cows and I told him that just as Iteso don't grow coffee- we were
both rich in our ways and the argument would end.
Another one was on matoke and posho, that we eat posho while they eat matoke.
We had all kinds of games played by students from all tribes. I was a Rugger
with Bagishu, Karamojong, Basoga, Baganda, Acholi, Kakwa , Japs etc boys -
matoke was unpopular for us because rugby needed extra strength and exercises
leave alone real competition that needed brute strength, so I would ask him if
those Baganda boys in the team were not true Baganda since we ate posho with
them. We always agreed to disagree and we enjoyed each other's company.
Respect and self contendedness is key for happy living in a multi cultural
society.
Peter Simon
On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, john kwitonda <kwiton...@gmail.com
<mailto:kwiton...@gmail.com> > wrote:
if one is proud of his mercedes and in proud of my toyota and the other one is
proud of his nissan.how does that affect the other owners? i dont see any
problem there.the only problem comes if the owner of a nissan is not contented
with it or not proud.what comes out of that is envy! it will lead him to say
the mercedes guy is proud!
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 10:21 PM john kwitonda <kwiton...@gmail.com
<mailto:kwiton...@gmail.com> > wrote:
i think it is inferiority complexes too.if everyone is proud of his ,then where
will that come from? it is the perception of individuals not anybody else.
it is natural, daily lives we see people who despise themselves, who dont
believe in themselves , who dont want to lead or stand up for themselves. it
has nothing to do with anyone.it <http://anyone.it> is that person and the way
he was brought, if you raise your child like princess ,surely she will carry
the pride with her. parenting is number one thing.dont blame anyone else
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 10:13 PM Simon Okurut <sspoku...@gmail.com
<mailto:sspoku...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Edward,
It's pure ignorance and cultural biases that make people think their tribes are
better than others. Some people even hate their own tribes, they're ashamed and
instead struggle hard to be identified by a tribe of their choice-
psychological warfare for life.
They use their cultural lenses to judge others, and extension of some past
archaic conflicts to discriminate against others and perpetrate hatred.
Gatekeeper phenomenon. Legislating against tribalism as your namesake
recommends is only successful if the law implementors and the people at the top
are not the same people ignorantly prompting it, so who will prosecute and pass
judgment if they're the promoters.
The best solution should start from practicing unity in diversity, respecting
differences as we harmonize other areas. We have to accept those differences,
if some people eat raw meat, it's okay, that is their culture, don't use that
to discriminate against them when they seek jobs for which they are qualified.
It's okay, you cook your meat, if you are friends you can also try the others
delicacy.
Among some tribes in Ethiopia, love is shown by eating raw meat, the girl feeds
you and when a male eats that meat, he wins the girl over. I can eat that raw
meat if that is how I show my love for the girl I want to be the mother of my
children even if I come from another tribe!
Peter Simon
On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 'Edward Pojim' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH)
Community <ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
<mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
SP:
In the Daily Monitor today, Onyango-Obbo concludes his two-part analysis of the
the nature and effects of tribalism in Uganda. His conclusion - tribalism ends
up cannibalizing the very tribe that stood out to gain most from it - is eye
opening.
The variety of tribalism that irks us here is what the Kenyan politician, Koigi
wa Wamwere aptly called Negative Tribalism. That happens when one is shown
favoritism due to one's tribe: in employment, admission to schools, promotions
at work place, etc.
But, if, as a promising son of the Teso tribe, SP decides that his toto kidwe
should also be an Itesot, then that's not considered tribalism, because choice
of a wife is not favoritism against other tribes! After all, his wife would be
competing also with her fellow Itesot girls for SP's love. Lucky!
For the first five years of the NRA era, the government was run by people from
the West: Ministers, Permanent Secretaries, top civil servants, etc.
Some time in early 1990, I stopped by our permanent mission to the UN, just to
make an introduction and to check on home matters. The receptionist, a
beautiful young woman, greeted me in Runyankole!
It was that obvious and that bad.
I politely told her I did not speak her language, though I was a Ugandan. I
never bothered to return there.
Pojim
On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 9:06:48 AM PDT, Simon Okurut <sspoku...@gmail.com
<mailto:sspoku...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Abbey,
There is no easy solution. It is the problem we face on a daily basis whether
in Uganda or diaspora. We are judged and condemned to all discrimination not
because of what we have done as individuals but because of where we come from,
because of our color and the haters will look for anything to justify their
hatred.
However, as Daniel has clearly shown, such stereotyping should not make us lose
the unity lens. We should proudly identify ourselves with our ancestors without
shame but acknowledge the existence of others, focus more on our similarities
and less on differences. None of us chose to be what we are so it's useless
imagine that we are special.
For instance, here Mulindwa hates me to the core and vows that I was one of the
master killers in Obote II. Seeing how he swears, one could easily believe that
he has a full dossier of my criminal past. All because my name starts with an
"O" and I come from Teso, eastern Uganda. At the same time my fellow Etesot
Pink believes I am lenient to westerners. Just imagine how badly brought up
their children are, living in a home where tribalism is the daily prayer
ushered before every meal. Such children grow up hating people they've not even
seen, just because the guys who give them pocket money preach it so they have
to grow and practice hatred if they have to continue getting money.
Even during the NRA bush time, my tribe mates used to label me a pro- Museveni
because of my friendship with westerners. When NRM came to power and embarked
on a killing spree in northern and eastern Uganda, my people promised to
revenge in future. Some planned all kinds of atrocities but I would oppose such
myopic plans and they blamed me for supporting killers arguing that perhaps my
family was spared. Never mind that to date I have not buried 2 of my brothers
killed bye NRAs.
Interestingly, the rural folks aren't that tribalistic, they freely integrate
and welcome new people. We have to go past tribes in judging wrongs.
The worst promoters of tribalism are rulers and some old men highly schooler on
tribalism, they are short of ideas so they ride on the tribal tickets. Like
Daniel noted in his narrative, Tito Okello and Museveni lived in the same camp
while in exile in Tanzania, Okello's son Oryem now minister of state for
international relations used to babysit Museveni's son, Muhoozi. What did those
guys do when they returned to Uganda? They started wars that have actually put
their tribes against each other. Politics of hatred end to hatred.
Tribalism and racism are realities that we live with, and hopefully, we shall
all see their futility.
Peter Simon
On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, Herrn Mulindwa Edward <mulin...@look.ca
<mailto:mulin...@look.ca> > wrote:
And ninety percent of African's failure is built by tribalism. That is why
other countries do not have tribes.
EM -> { Trump for 2020 }
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 7:34 AM
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Subject: Re: {UAH} Simon okurut: How can tribalism be controlled in Uganda? Any
suggestions?
We are all Africans, but we must be Baganda or Bantu, Acholi or Luo first,
These are positive not negative.
If you are in charge ensure that ministries, departments and agencies have a
national character.
On 05/08/2020, Herrn Mulindwa Edward <mulin...@look.ca
<mailto:mulin...@look.ca> > wrote:
> Friends
>
>
>
> Many times these problems get sorted by just enforcing the law, when
> Trump came to office he walked in with two agendas, stop illegal
> immigration and build the wall. The Gooks of today opposed that
> action, the Pojims attacked him for he was an immigrant as well. What
> the two learned men forgot was that actually the closing of the
> boarder and the building of the wall was never about illegal
> immigration, it was about curtailing the never ending drugs that
> inflict the black population. If you close the boarder, and stop the
> illegal immigration, drugs will still come in through the official customs
> but you will have cut it into a half.
>
>
>
> When Democrats started to scream defund the Police, War Lords among
> black Ghettos have grabbed on that call to expand their territories.
> In New York yesterday they were shooting in brazen day light. Which
> has never happened before the attack on police. As we speak today any
> black man woman and child in New York and Chicago is a walking dead.
> The Democratic party, the Gooks and the Pojims are screaming that the
> entire Mexican US boarder should become open, and free crossing should
> be allowed. In fact Joe Biden is campaigning to do exactly that,
> remove the customs border agents between United States and Mexico so
> that one can drive in and drive out whenever they want. And Peter
> Simon Okurut preaches that as a right of entry. When blacks get dropped at
> this speed all the above play no speak English.
>
>
>
> Way back in 1971 blacks created a Congressional Black Caucus, has any
> one ever heard of it? Do you actually know what they do? Any
> achievement you can list for blacks so far? Where are they today as
> blacks get shot every day?
>
>
>
> Is there a Congressional Black Caucus in United States in 2020?
>
>
>
> EM -> { Trump for 2020 }
>
> On the 49th Parallel
>
> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri
> Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na
> Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
> machafuko"
>
>
>
> From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups .com
> <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
> <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroup s.com
> <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Abbey Semuwemba
> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:46 PM
> To: ugandans-at-heart <Ugandans-at-Heart@googlegroup s.com
> <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com> >
> Subject: {UAH} Simon okurut: How can tribalism be controlled in
> Uganda? Any suggestions?
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Abbey Semuwemba <abbeysemuwe...@gmail.com
> <mailto:abbeysemuwe...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:abbeysemuwemba@gmail.c om <mailto:abbeysemuwe...@gmail.com> > >
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020, 18:33
> Subject: {UMBS} Simon okurut: How can tribalism be controlled in
> Uganda? Any suggestions?
> To: Uganda Brothers and Sisters
> <uganda-muslim-brothers-and-si st...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:uganda-muslim-brothers-and-sist...@googlegroups.com>
> <mailto:uganda-muslim-brothers -and-sist...@googlegroups.com
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> Cc: Jonny Rubin <jnnyru...@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:jnnyru...@yahoo.co.uk>
> <mailto:jnnyru...@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:jnnyru...@yahoo.co.uk> >
> >
>
>
>
> Shared:
>
>
>
> My name is Daniel Tumwine.
>
>
>
> I am being accused of being "arrogant", "long nosed", "privileged"...
> and being told "we shall get you when Museveni falls". All virtue of
> the second name I carry.
>
>
>
> I was born in flat 667 Buganda Road, Kampala, Uganda
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Buganda+Road,+Kampala,+Uganda?entry=gmail&source=g>
> .
>
>
>
> A child of parents persecuted for their profession and beliefs, I grew
> up a diaspora kid, on a 400m stretch of bent road in Zimbabwe where 7
> other Ugandan exile families lived.
>
>
>
> The only identity I knew then was that together with the Ogaa's, the
> Kiire's, the Ndikuwera's, the Okello's, the Mayanja's and many such
> kids who lived on that stretch of road in Harare, we were Ugandan. Our
> exiled parents held home party's every Sunday to instil a sense of
> pride in our country, in our flag, in our regalia.
>
>
>
> I speak halting Runyankole. My Luganda is better than my Rukiga. I
> speak better Shona than Rutooro. I speak even better English. But the
> language I try to be most fluent in is love.
>
>
>
> My mother is buried in Mbale, the land of her ancestors. A daughter of
> a proud dynasty. A lady who refused to be defined by the confines of
> her ethnicity and dared marry outside her tribal boundaries.
>
>
>
> And yet, my name -my identity; the imprint of my signature; the label
> of my unborn child; the only word I have answered to from birth, from
> foes, from family and from friends alike... the embodiment of my DNA-
> is being interpreted as an avatar of all that is vile and despicable in
> Uganda.
>
>
>
> It has been scapegoated.
>
>
>
> My very existence - my hopes, my struggles, my fears, my anger, my
> sins, my broken dreams, my mournings, my triumphs- has been reduced to
> a synonym for arrogance, for undeserved achievement, for privilege.
>
>
>
> I live, not because of, but despite of the State.
>
>
>
> I'm the State's most acerbic critic. I have gained nothing from its
> machinery having surnames similar to mine. And, despite opportunities
> presenting themselves, I do not feel the need to do so.
>
>
>
> My sense of justice does not allow me to consciously benefit from a
> regime that has its majority citizens unable to afford good quality
> health care and good quality education.
>
>
>
> Yet, my closest mates, and those I admire most serving in this
> government are mostly from places other than the west.
>
>
>
> Similarly, the most arrogant personalities in this government such as
> the incredulous Kibuule's, the Majjes of Anite's, the convoy knocking
> pedestrians of Justine Lumumba... they can hardly be called westerners.
>
>
>
> I do not employ family or friends. No. That's a lie. I employ only one
> family member. She is there purely on merit. And I only discovered we
> were related years after we employed her. Similarly, those who work
> for me and share similar sounding surnames as mine are measured by the
> same yardstick as everyone else; character, discipline and competence.
>
>
>
> On many occasions I've been accused of 'arrogance' by clans for not
> putting my tribes mates first. My family first. My relative first.
>
>
>
> I owe any success I may modestly claim to a muganda teacher, a
> munyankole lady, a mugisu mother, a mukiga father, an acholi
> benefactor and a philanthropist best friend whose tribe I embarrassingly dont
> even know.
>
>
>
> Yet, here I am, today, being caricatured as arrogant and privileged.
> Unfeeling. Unempathetic.
>
>
>
> If I appear arrogant, it must be because of my proud gishu bloodline.
> If I am privileged it is because of my parent's good fortune in
> meeting in the 70's. If I am unfeeling and unempathetic, I will not blame
> anyone, but me.
> Not my tribe, not my upbringing, not my school. But me. An individual
> trait that should not be generalised.
>
>
>
> I have no problem if you demonize me as Daniel. But the demonisation
> of all Tumwine's and peoples as a whole must stop.
>
>
>
> Our neighbours down south know that it never ends well.
>
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