Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP censured, a solution !

2014-02-14 Thread James Davis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/02/2014 18:04, Robin Williams wrote: It'd also be good to discuss merging data from these projects into an upstream 'open-generalbadstuff-project'. shadowserver are putting some source of open dns resolvers into their reports and I'm sure

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP censured, a solution !

2014-02-14 Thread Giles Davis
Keith Mitchell wrote: But it's not just about NTP and DNS, pretty much any UDP-based service that can do amplification is in play, e.g SNMP, Chargen and I've even seen QOTD (UDP 19). snip Universal BCP38 source address validation is needed more badly then ever :-( It really is. Glad to

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP censured, a solution !

2014-02-14 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 14/02/2014 11:54, Giles Davis wrote: Keith Mitchell wrote: Universal BCP38 source address validation is needed more badly then ever :-( It really is. It really is, but bear in mind that a single 1GE connection with no urpf can be used to create ~250-300G of backscatter traffic. This

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP censured, a solution !

2014-02-14 Thread Giles Davis
Nick Hilliard wrote: It really is, but bear in mind that a single 1GE connection with no urpf can be used to create ~250-300G of backscatter traffic. This means that there's only a requirement to have a single unscrupulous or incompetent ISP with GE in the world to allow a devastating DoS to

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP censured, a solution !

2014-02-14 Thread Keith Mitchell
On 02/14/2014 06:54 AM, Giles Davis wrote: Keith Mitchell wrote: But it's not just about NTP and DNS, pretty much any UDP-based service that can do amplification is in play, e.g SNMP, Chargen and I've even seen QOTD (UDP 17). Universal BCP38 source address validation is needed more badly

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP censured, a solution !

2014-02-14 Thread Keith Mitchell
On 02/14/2014 09:02 AM, Giles Davis wrote: Nick Hilliard wrote: It really is, but bear in mind that a single 1GE connection with no urpf can be used to create ~250-300G of backscatter traffic. This means that there's only a requirement to have a single unscrupulous or incompetent ISP with

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP censured, a solution !

2014-02-13 Thread James Davis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/02/2014 23:07, Robin Williams wrote: Interesting timing - we've also been seeing a big increase in the same over the last few weeks, mainly targeting schools from automated ( cheap!) online 'booter' services (presumably instigated by

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP censured, a solution !

2014-02-13 Thread Robin Williams
On 13/02/14 17:14, Keith Mitchell wrote: On 02/12/2014 06:37 PM, Wright, Matthew wrote: List of open NTP servers from http://openntpproject.org/ Also http://www.openresolverproject.org But it's not just about NTP and DNS, pretty much any UDP-based service that can do amplification is in play,

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP censured, a solution !

2014-02-13 Thread Peter Knapp
To: Keith Mitchell Cc: uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk Subject: Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP censured, a solution ! On 13/02/14 17:14, Keith Mitchell wrote: On 02/12/2014 06:37 PM, Wright, Matthew wrote: List of open NTP servers from http://openntpproject.org/ Also http://www.openresolverproject.org But it's

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP censured, a solution !

2014-02-12 Thread Thomas Mangin
As I have been asked off-line quite a few times : We wrote it to complement NFSEN. You can only search NFSEN once the data has been fully analysed. It mean that most of the time you have to wait a few minutes. We were seeing 15 mns DDOS, at least twice a day. By the time we had identified the

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP censured, a solution !

2014-02-12 Thread Robin Williams
Hi Thomas, Interesting timing - we've also been seeing a big increase in the same over the last few weeks, mainly targeting schools from automated ( cheap!) online 'booter' services (presumably instigated by students who have had enough of their IT lessons). We've also been forced to script

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP censured, a solution !

2014-02-12 Thread Thomas Mangin
Hi Robin, On 12 Feb 2014, at 23:07, Robin Williams robin.willi...@tnp.net.uk wrote: Interesting timing - we've also been seeing a big increase in the same over the last few weeks, mainly targeting schools from automated ( cheap!) online 'booter' services (presumably instigated by students