Re: Braille rendering of Unicode [OT 50%]

2000-08-10 Thread Steven R. Loomis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. These are at most the building blocks for braille. A better parallel would be to consider these "presentation glyphs" for braille. (But I think that the main reason why these patterns are in Unicode is to encode runs of braille-looking characters in didactic texts

RE: Which languages are supported in basic latin

2000-08-10 Thread Marco . Cimarosti
Halldor G. Gestsson: Can I find a list where all languages supported in the basic latin (0x-0x00FF)? [...] Wich languages uses the latin extensions A,B and C? Page http://www.eki.ee/letter/ contains the information to build your lists. _ Marco

Swiss numerical format (war einmal: What is ` (U+0060) for?)

2000-08-10 Thread J%ORG KNAPPEN
As an aside: Are there good (authorative) references on the so called swiss numerical format with its peculiar thousand separator? I only know about a manual shipped with some Aldus software product as a reference. I own several books printed in Switzerland and they show the typical swiss

RE: Swiss numerical format [OT]

2000-08-10 Thread Marco . Cimarosti
Jörg Knappen wrote: Are there good (authorative) references on the so called swiss numerical format with its peculiar thousand separator? Why not comparing the locale settings of main operating systems? I think that at least WinNT, Apple, Linux, and other Unixes are widely represented on this

RE: Braille rendering of Unicode [OT 50%]

2000-08-10 Thread Marco . Cimarosti
Steven R. Loomis wrote: [...] Presumably the unicode codepoints in braille would make a great format for these translations on their way to a printer. One would hope they would get such use and not simply for braille-looking characters on paper or screen. You are right, I didn't catch it:

Organizing your CD collection

2000-08-10 Thread 11digitboy
How do you sort text with some in Roman and some in non-Roman alphabets? Currently, I'm just romanizing everything but I don't know if that is that good. Should I just kanize Japanese? I would love a system that just goes by characters, and I would much prefer it if the Han digits collated in

Re: Organizing your CD collection

2000-08-10 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
See UTR #10 (Unicode Collation Algorithm) at http://www.unicode.org/unicode/reports/tr10/ for a very firm report on how you should indeed be handling collation. At some level, as I mentioned to you earlier, there are many Latin sorts that contradict other Latin sorts; in THOSE cases a decision

Re: Which languages are supported in basic latin

2000-08-10 Thread Antoine Leca
Halldor G. Gestsson wrote: Can I find a list where all languages supported in the basic latin (0x-0x00FF)? E.g: Basic Latin support English German Spanish French Danish Icelandic ... etc. etc. What is your

Re: Off-topic: digraphs and trigraphs

2000-08-10 Thread Peter_Constable
If it comes to coining a new term, I'd like to propose "oligograph"... There are really just a few, not many, characters to form such a compound -- and we would avoid those puns on lying-detectors ;-) Not a bad idea, methinks. - Peter

Re: Organizing your CD collection

2000-08-10 Thread Antoine Leca
Robert Lozyniak wrote: How do you sort text with some in Roman and some in non-Roman alphabets? I never sort texts, only lists of items (words, names, titles, whatever). Depending of the ratios, I see two main solutions: - if Latin is the most current, _and_ only other Greek- derived

Re: RFC 1766 (was: Summary: xml:lang validity and RFC 1766 refs

2000-08-10 Thread John Cowan
Doug Ewell wrote: Can anyone comment on this? If RFC 1766 can realistically be read as requiring outdated versions of ISO 639 and 3166, then it seems that UTR #7 should be updated to bypass RFC 1766 entirely and refer directly to ISO 639 and 3166. With all due respect to all participants,

RE: RFC 1766

2000-08-10 Thread Mike Brown
the claim that RFC 1766 freezes obsolete versions Actually, the claim is that RFC 1766 could be interpreted that way, not that it is actually trying to say so. The RFC author's recent statement of intent clarifies that a more lenient interpretation is prudent. The reason it is important to

Re: Braille rendering of Unicode [OT 50%]

2000-08-10 Thread Rick McGowan
Marco said: These are at most the building blocks for braille. A better parallel would be to consider these "presentation glyphs" for braille. (But I think that the main reason why these patterns are in Unicode is to encode runs of braille-looking characters in didactic texts for *sighted*

RE: Zero-width ligator

2000-08-10 Thread Marco . Cimarosti
Roozbeh Pournader wrote: That seems problematic to me, when used for Arabic. How should one use ZWNJ between two Arabic letters to stop the ligature? The'll get disconnected! Good point. ZWJ+ZWNJ+ZWJ comes to mind, but it is really not the maximum of elegance... _ Marco

Re: (PRIV) RE: Zero-width ligator

2000-08-10 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ZWJ+ZWNJ+ZWJ comes to mind, but it is really not the maximum of elegance... No! Please! I have a lot of difficulties forcing old staff to use Unicode, add this and they will escape. ;) This surely creates many many problems. --roozbeh

Mixing alphabets (was: sorting my CD collection)

2000-08-10 Thread 11digitboy
You have a good point: does nu-alpha-tau-alpha-sigma-alpha spell "Natasa" or "Natasha"? The Greek letters given are obviously an attempt to write "Natasha" in Greek, but they romanize to "Natasa". And a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, ... HATES a, i, u, e, o, ka, ki, ku, ... Maybe I should just

Re: Mixing alphabets (was: sorting my CD collection)

2000-08-10 Thread Rick McGowan
I bet few things would be rarer than, say, a Georgian female rap CD in the US!! Tobacco chewing killer whales in Picadilly Circus, surely. Would somebody PLEASE tell me, IN THE DEFAULT UNICODE COLLATION ALGORITHM, WHAT COMES AFTER WHAT?! Read the technical report! (It's available

RE: Arabic shaping behavior questions

2000-08-10 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks! The - Iran System -: that's what I meant. It was on the tip of my tongue, but I could not recall the name (BTW, is it also called ISIRI?). ISIRI is the Iranian standards organization. ISIRI 2900 was the old charset standard, and ISIRI 3342

Re: Mixing alphabets (was: sorting my CD collection)

2000-08-10 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
Once again, if collation info is what you want, see http://www.unicode.org/unicode/reports/tr10/ Beyond that, it is unclear what you are looking for, really. But if you were to actually read and try to understand that document, I am fairly certain that one of two things will happen: 1) You

Re: Zero-width ligator

2000-08-10 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 09:36 AM 8/10/00 -0800, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: That seems problematic to me, when used for Arabic. How should one use ZWNJ between two Arabic letters to stop the ligature? The'll get disconnected! (in those rare cases...) Use ZWJ ZWNJ ZWJ and you will get the intended effect. A./

Re: Zero-width ligator

2000-08-10 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Asmus Freytag wrote: Use ZWJ ZWNJ ZWJ and you will get the intended effect. Technical Vice President The Unicode Consortium Official answer?! too bad for us...

codepages on Windows

2000-08-10 Thread Peter_Constable
Anybody happen to know: Is there no Win32 API that allows you to determine a codepage given a LANGID or a charset value (i.e. one of the two parameters provided by WM_INPUTLANGCHANGE)? - Peter --- Peter Constable

Re: Windows codepages

2000-08-10 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
Yes, there is a way to extract this info using GetLocaleInfo. Pass the LCID or langid with one of the following params: LOCALE_IDEFAULTANSICODEPAGE LOCALE_IDEFAULTCODEPAGE LOCALE_IDEFAULTEBCDICCODEPAGE (win2k only) LOCALE_IDEFAULTMACCODEPAGE michka Michael Kaplan Trigeminal Software, Inc.

Re: Windows codepages

2000-08-10 Thread Peter_Constable
Sorry about the duplicate message. Notes was hanging on me, and I thought the first one was lost. On 08/10/2000 04:36:32 PM Peter Constable wrote: Anybody happen to know: Is there no Win32 API that takes a LANGID and returns a codepage? Or, alternately, that takes a charset value and returns

Re: Is there a keyboard layout driver supported for Georgian?

2000-08-10 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
Windows 2000 actually has a Georgian keyboard layout, and a font that many people in Georgia (and also I) find more visually pleasing than Arial Unicode MS (Sylfaen). See http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/keyboards/keyboards.asp for the layout. Note that the keyboard layout and font only

Re: Is there a keyboard layout driver supported for Georgian?

2000-08-10 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
I should add that for that project, since they did not have Windows 2000 but instead had NT4, the actual work ended up being to support a Georgian keyboard layout on NT4 (the argument was that as long as it was mucking with the uppercase, why not muck with the lowercase, too? g). Mainly