RE: History of Kazakh characters in Unicode

2000-11-15 Thread Jonathan Rosenne
I remember being shown in the ECMA bidi WG a document from China that specified the use of the Arabic script for Kazakh (I think it was Kazakh), which was somewhat different from ISO-8859-6 and ASMO. I remember they had fewer shapes. Jony > -Original Message- > From: Michael (michka) Kap

Re: History of Kazakh characters in Unicode

2000-11-15 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
Most of these characters came from existing standards that were included in Unicode, rather than separately requested character additions. There are some exceptions for Cyrillic, and possibly for Arabic but that one I am not 100% sure about. But most of them have been there all along based on com

History of Kazakh characters in Unicode

2000-11-15 Thread Kairat A. Rakhim
Hello, I'm writing an article about history of Kazakh and other Turkic alphabets. Could you help me with history of their inclusion in Unicode? Who have proposed characters which are specific for Kazakh and all other Turkic languages in Arabic, Latin and Cyrillic scripts? How I can contact with t

Re: Unicode not approved by China

2000-11-15 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Bjorn Stabell reported: > http://linuxfab.cx/indexNewsData.php?NEWSID=2949&FIRSTHIT=1 > > According to this news item (in Chinese), China rejected HK's > application to use Unicode, and instead says they have to use > ISO 10646-1:2000 or GB18030. Apparently they don't like to > standardize on a

Unicode not approved by China

2000-11-15 Thread Bjorn Stabell
http://linuxfab.cx/indexNewsData.php?NEWSID=2949&FIRSTHIT=1 According to this news item (in Chinese), China rejected HK's application to use Unicode, and instead says they have to use ISO 10646-1:2000 or GB18030. Apparently they don't like to standardize on a standard controlled by an organizati

Re: [idn] Javascript code charts, unicode converter, show-characters

2000-11-15 Thread Mark Davis
I believe that result is incorrect. The RACE has 48 bytes, so 44 bytes of Base32. That translates to 44 * 5 bits = 220 bits, or 27 bytes of compressed UTF-16. That must represent *at least* 13 UTF-16 characters, but the enclosed file only has 5 Hangul Syllables. If that was generated program

Re: Java and Unicode

2000-11-15 Thread Markus Scherer
Please let's keep types for single characters and types for strings separate. ICU used to be in the same situation as Java: everything character/string used 16-bit types. In extension to UTF-16, we decided to keep the string base type at 16 bits for very good reasons like interoperability and m

Fwd: Changes proposed for Tamil

2000-11-15 Thread AvaFonts
Dear Chris Fynn, This font should be tried without Uniscribe support and without any other fully conformant Tamil fonts to understand the scientific principles behind the current recommendations. Of course in real use these supports are essential. I'll soon be publishing the new version font f

Re: Java and Unicode

2000-11-15 Thread Kenneth Whistler
John O'Conner wrote: > Yes. If you have been involved with Unicode for any period of time at all, you > would know that the Unicode consortium has advertised Unicode's 16-bit > encoding for a long, long time, even in its latest Unicode 3.0 spec. The > Unicode 3.0 spec clearly favors the 16-bit en

Persian decimal separator

2000-11-15 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Dear All, Some time ago, there was a discussion here about the Persian decimal separator. I am posting a short report about our queries into different Iranian bodies. Sorry for the long and somehow formal thing, but it seems important to us. I'm still waiting for responses from Iranian Academy

Re: Java and Unicode

2000-11-15 Thread John O'Conner
Jungshik Shin wrote: > That's exactly what I have in mind about Java. I can't help wondering why > Sun chose 2byte char instead of 4byte char when it was plainly obvious > that 2byte wouldn't be enough in the very near future. The same can be > said of Mozilla which internally uses BMP-only as

Re: Hindi editor

2000-11-15 Thread jgo
>>> On Wed, 2000 Nov 15 05:18:24 -0800 (GMT-0800) nikita k >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Is there any text editor by which data can be entered >>> in Hindi? >>> >>> Rgds, >>> Nikita K You could use Nisus Writer. However, we currently have an unsolved bug in our support of Hindi, as the inse

Re: Java and Unicode

2000-11-15 Thread John Jenkins
On Wednesday, November 15, 2000, at 12:08 PM, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: > > > On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Michael (michka) Kaplan wrote: > > > I do not think they are so theoretical, with both 10646 and Unicode > > including them in the very new future (unless you count it as > theoretical > > when

RE: sort of OT: politics and scripts

2000-11-15 Thread Cathy Wissink
The Soviet language policies under both Lenin and Stalin were amazing in what they managed to change in a very short time, especially considering the scripts first shifted from Arabic to Latin, then just a decade or so later to Cyrillic. I too have been wondering when there would be a movement in

Re: Java and Unicode

2000-11-15 Thread Jungshik Shin
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Thomas Chan wrote: > On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Jungshik Shin wrote: > > > On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Michael (michka) Kaplan wrote: > > > > > > Many people try to compare this to DBCS, but it really is not the same > > > thing understanding lead bytes and trail bytes in DBCS is *a

Re: Java and Unicode

2000-11-15 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Michael (michka) Kaplan wrote: > I do not think they are so theoretical, with both 10646 and Unicode > including them in the very new future (unless you count it as theoretical > when you drop an egg but it has not yet hit the ground!). Lemme think. You're saying that when

sort of OT: politics and scripts

2000-11-15 Thread Elaine Keown
Hello, A similar question to the question of new Chinese characters and new versions of characters for Lakota, but an order of magnitude larger, is the question of ongoing or about-to-hit-us script changes in Central Asia. In the 1920s-1940s, under a series of Soviet language policy changes

Re: Java and Unicode

2000-11-15 Thread Thomas Chan
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Jungshik Shin wrote: > On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Michael (michka) Kaplan wrote: > > In any case, I think that UTF-16 is the answer here. > > > > Many people try to compare this to DBCS, but it really is not the same > > thing understanding lead bytes and trail bytes in DBCS i

RE: Devanagari question

2000-11-15 Thread Ayers, Mike
> From: Rick McGowan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Mike Ayers wrote: > > > The last I knew, > > computer-savvy Taiwan and Hong Kong were continuing to invent new > > characters. In the end, the onus is on the computer to > support the user. > > Yes, the computer should support the user, but...

Re: Sinhala Fonts

2000-11-15 Thread Antoine Leca
David Tooke wrote: > > Does anyone know of a freely available font with Unicode encodings containing >characters in > the Sinhala range (0D80-0DFF)? " freely available " ... Challenging question, for sure. > I can find several fonts with the character set, but none with Unicode encodings...

Re: Java and Unicode

2000-11-15 Thread Jungshik Shin
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Doug Ewell wrote: > Elliotte Rusty Harold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There are a number of possibilities that don't break backwards > > compatibility (making trans-BMP characters require two chars rather > > than one, defining a new wchar primitive data type that is

Re: Java and Unicode

2000-11-15 Thread Jungshik Shin
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Michael (michka) Kaplan wrote: > In any case, I think that UTF-16 is the answer here. > > Many people try to compare this to DBCS, but it really is not the same > thing understanding lead bytes and trail bytes in DBCS is *astoundingly* > more complicated than handling su

RE: Java and Unicode

2000-11-15 Thread Marco . Cimarosti
Eliotte Rusty Harold wrote: > One thing I'm very curious about going forward: Right now character > values greater than 65535 are purely theoretical. However this will > change. It seems to me that handling these characters properly is > going to require redefining the char data type from two

Sinhala Fonts

2000-11-15 Thread David Tooke
Does anyone know of a freely available font with Unicode encodings containing characters in the Sinhala range (0D80-0DFF)?   I can find several fonts with the character set, but none with Unicode encodings...they seem to map to the Latin range instead.   Thanks in advance.   David Tooke

Re: Java and Unicode

2000-11-15 Thread Doug Ewell
Elliotte Rusty Harold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are a number of possibilities that don't break backwards > compatibility (making trans-BMP characters require two chars rather > than one, defining a new wchar primitive data type that is 4-bytes > long as well as the old 2-byte char typ

Re: Java and Unicode

2000-11-15 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
I do not think they are so theoretical, with both 10646 and Unicode including them in the very new future (unless you count it as theoretical when you drop an egg but it has not yet hit the ground!). In any case, I think that UTF-16 is the answer here. Many people try to compare this to DBCS, bu

Lakota--Oops!

2000-11-15 Thread James E. Agenbroad
Wednesday, November 14, 2000 Oh I see the long right leg is straight. Sorry. Regards, Jim Agenbroad ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) The above are purely personal opinions, not necessarily the official views of any government or any agency of any

Re: Lakota (was Re: OT: Devanagari question)

2000-11-15 Thread James E. Agenbroad
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Rick McGowan wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Unfortunately, there's no corresponding LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N WITH LONG > > RIGHT LEG, which Lakota needs. > > To my knowledge, the discussion in September between John Cowan and Curtis > Clark didn't terminate with any

Re: Java and Unicode

2000-11-15 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
One thing I'm very curious about going forward: Right now character values greater than 65535 are purely theoretical. However this will change. It seems to me that handling these characters properly is going to require redefining the char data type from two bytes to four. This is a major incom

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2000-11-15 Thread nikita k
Hi, Is there any text editor by which data can be entered in Hindi? Rgds, Nikita K __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/

Javascript code charts, unicode converter, show-characters

2000-11-15 Thread Mark Davis
I just made some fixes in my Javascript Unicode pages (insomnia again) that may be of interest.   http://www.macchiato.com/unicode/convert.html has UTF, RACE and LACE conversions, with a bit better error checking.   http://www.macchiato.com/unicode/charts.html has Unicode charts, plus a new "