[unicode] Re: Moving mail lists

2001-03-22 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 03:38 AM 3/22/01 +, Christopher John Fynn wrote: But you can also filter mails based on the To: header "To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" - every mail client I've seen that supports filtering lets you filter based on that header. Except if the message is a cc:... Actually of more interest to me

[unicode] Spam being sent to the list?

2001-03-22 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
One of the BEST things a list should do of course is not let spam in, but I definitely just got a piece of mail through the list that was spam (a mail about "being a bigger man", to put it politely!). I would hope that this is being dealt with appropriately so that non members of the list will

[unicode] Re: Moving mail lists

2001-03-22 Thread Marion Gunn
Arsa [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You are right, this may not be very useful for whom wish to filter their mail, but we better keep it in mind that this may be very useful for whom do not/can not filter their mail. Those whom can filter their mail also can alter the subject line easily with, for

[unicode] Re: Avalanche recovery

2001-03-22 Thread John Wilcock
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 04:16:17 +, Michael Everson wrote: Please, your effulgence, don't. It is entirely redundant. "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" defines this perfectly adequately. The "[unicode]" subject just makes it harder to find things Heartily seconded. Thirded, whatever. All half-decent

[unicode] UCS-2 Files

2001-03-22 Thread Tomas McGuinness
Hi, I have a question relating to UCS-2. I am currently developing a product that will support UCS-2 and I have been sent several documents encoded in UCS-2. I have no reader or writer for UCS-2 but I have performed Hexdumps in UNIX. At the beginning of the UCS-2 characters there are two rogue

[unicode] Re: Spam being sent to the list?

2001-03-22 Thread Marion Gunn
Arsa Michael (michka) Kaplan One of the BEST things a list should do of course is not let spam in, but I definitely just got a piece of mail through the list that was spam (a mail about "being a bigger man", to put it politely!). Strange thing about the new culture, the irreconcilable

[unicode] Re: UCS-2 Files

2001-03-22 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
This is known a byte order mark or BOM. It can be used to determine several things: 1) That it is a Unicode file 2) The byte order of the file (little endian or big endian) MichKa Michael Kaplan Trigeminal Software, Inc. http://www.trigeminal.com/ - Original Message - From: "Tomas

[unicode] Re: Moving mail lists

2001-03-22 Thread Sam Chapman
the original message has a responding address at the bottom of the msg [EMAIL PROTECTED] is this one on the list? -Original Message- From: John Wilcock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 22 March 2001 13:20 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [unicode] Re: Moving mail lists On 22 Mar

[unicode] Re: Moving mail lists

2001-03-22 Thread J%ORG KNAPPEN
I don't like the [unicode] prefix to all subject lines, because it eats up too much of the valuable human readble subject line space. I could live with it better, if it can be shortened to something like [uc], but the best for me is dropping it at all. And of course, there MUST NOT be any "Re:

[unicode] Re: UCS-2 Files

2001-03-22 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Tomas McGuinness wrote: I have a question relating to UCS-2. I am currently developing a product that will support UCS-2 and I have been sent several documents encoded in UCS-2. I have no reader or writer for UCS-2 but I have performed Hexdumps in UNIX. At the beginning of the UCS-2

[unicode] Re: Spam being sent to the list?

2001-03-22 Thread Richard Cook
I thought Sarasvati was immune to this. Parvati?

[unicode] Re: Avalanche recovery

2001-03-22 Thread Ayers, Mike
From: John Wilcock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] While I'm at it, let me add another plea in favour of setting the Reply-to: header to point back to the list [*only on messages which lack this header*, allowing those who wish to receive personal replies to set the header accordingly].

[unicode] Re: Unicode editing

2001-03-22 Thread Marco Cimarosti
I was wondering whether storing the bidirectional embedding level together with *each* character would have resulted in an excessive increase in the size of the edit buffer. 'Cause, as someone recently noted, "size DOES matter". But, checking in the bidirectional algorithm

[unicode] Re: Listar request results

2001-03-22 Thread Mark Leisher
Mike Since when has overquoting been a problem on this list? You haven't been on the list long enough. There have been repeated cases of quoting all prior messages in a thread to provide, one can only assume, concise context for a single-sentence reply. Mike Does this mean that

[unicode] Re: UCS-2 Files

2001-03-22 Thread Gaute B Strokkenes
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better if you also keep the distinction between "octet" (a series of 8 bits) and "byte" (a series of n bits, where n is often but NOT always 8). When is a byte not eight bits? -- Gaute Strokkenes

[unicode] Re: I don't get it

2001-03-22 Thread Jeff Guevin
Works on my Mac (G3, OS 9.1) with IE 5. I suspect that I used some non-portable construct that does not work under Mac. Did any Mac user succeed running it?

[unicode] Re: I don't get it

2001-03-22 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Another note for Sarasvati: -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Listar -- -- Type: image/gif -- File: cimaChrt.gif When Unicode support will be ubiquitous and consolidated, members of this list will not need anymore to attach pictures to e-mails. But I am afraid that, by that day, we

[unicode] Re: x-bar character

2001-03-22 Thread Otto Stolz
Am 2001-03-21 um 18:56 UCT hat Eric Hausen geschrieben: Can anyone tell me the character code for the x-bar symbol (mathematical mean). This is a sequence of two Unicode characters, viz. U+0078 LATIN SMALL LETTER X U+0305 COMBINING OVERLINE Incidentally, the bar (rather than x-bar)

[unicode] Re: Listar request results

2001-03-22 Thread Ayers, Mike
From: Gaute B Strokkenes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your message has been rejected because it appears to quote too extensively from other posts. Since when has overquoting been a problem on this list? Does this mean that

[unicode] mail list

2001-03-22 Thread Tex Texin
First, my admiration goes to the tireless Sarasvati for endeavoring to make improvements and having the patience to listen to all these whines. Thank you Sarasvati! Having paved the way, I now begin to whine myself. I agree with those that think [Unicode] on the subject is a waste of

[unicode] Re: x-bar character

2001-03-22 Thread John Cowan
Otto Stolz scripsit: This is a sequence of two Unicode characters, viz. U+0078 LATIN SMALL LETTER X U+0305 COMBINING OVERLINE Incidentally, the bar (rather than x-bar) signifies the mean; the bar could be applied to any name indicating the mean of all and any values having that name.

[unicode] Re: Unicode editing

2001-03-22 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Marco Cimarosti wrote: struct MyWysiwygGlyph { wchar_t GlyphCode; int EmbeddingLevel; }; I think that Roozbeh had something quite similar in mind. Yes. I was not sure that if that's enough, but after this

[unicode] Re: UCS-2 Files

2001-03-22 Thread Jeff Guevin
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better if you also keep the distinction between "octet" (a series of 8 bits) and "byte" (a series of n bits, where n is often but NOT always 8). When is a byte not eight bits? The Web version of the Oxford English Dictionary

[unicode] Re: Moving mail lists

2001-03-22 Thread Sean O Seaghdha
Ar 21 Mar 2001, ag 23:06 scrobh Asmus Freytag fn bhar "[unicode] Re: Moving mail lists": X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Actually of more interest to me is the ability *not* to filter certain mail lists until *after* I have read them in chronological sequence.

[unicode] Re: x-bar character

2001-03-22 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, John Cowan wrote: Hmm. If you multiply x-bar by y-bar, surely you want the bars to be separated, not run together into a single bar (which would be the mean of x times y), no? In that case COMBINING MACRON would be better. Or should x-bar times y-bar be written with

[unicode] Re: Bidi editing (was Re: Unicode editing)

2001-03-22 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Marco Cimarosti wrote: Visual: she said i need water and expired Levels: 0 Logic:she said LREi need waterPDF and expired I don't see how such an embedding could be useful, so I would iron level "2" to the

[unicode] Re: UCS-2 Files

2001-03-22 Thread Frank da Cruz
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:00:55 -0500, Jeff Guevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better if you also keep the distinction between "octet" (a series of 8 bits) and "byte" (a series of n bits, where n is often but NOT always 8). When is a byte not

[unicode] Re: UCS-2 Files

2001-03-22 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Jeff Guevin wrote: The Web version of the Oxford English Dictionary (http://dictionary.oed.com) says a byte is always eight bits: [...] There is at least one computer currently in use whose bytes are 6 bits! :) It's the MIX machine by Donald Knuth, which you can find

[unicode] Re: x-bar character

2001-03-22 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Roozbeh asked: I remember seeing an invisible times character somewhere, I think it was in 3.2 tables. Would you look? U+2062 INVISIBLE TIMES You can find such things at: http://www.unicode.org/unicode/alloc/Pipeline.html and http://www.unicode.org/charts/draftunicode32/ or in the

[unicode] Re: UCS-2 Files

2001-03-22 Thread jgo
On Thu, 2001-03-22, marco.cimarosti wrote: Better if you also keep the distinction between "octet" (a series of 8 bits) and "byte" (a series of n bits, where n is often but NOT always 8). When is a byte not eight bits? When it is 6 bits or 12 bits or 16 bits or 18 bits... The Web

[unicode] Re: UCS-2 Files

2001-03-22 Thread Mike Brown
When is a byte not eight bits? The Web version of the Oxford English Dictionary (http://dictionary.oed.com) says a byte is always eight bits: Well, just my cursory research shows that to be an overstatement. http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?query=byte says: A byte may

[unicode] Re: UCS-2 Files

2001-03-22 Thread Peter_Constable
On 03/22/2001 12:09:09 PM unicode-bounce wrote: When is a byte not eight bits? When it's seven or less, and when it's nine or more. For some, the definition of byte allows such possibilities. This is reflected in the fact that ISO uses the term "octet" where you would use "byte". - Peter

[unicode] Re: Moving mail lists

2001-03-22 Thread Sean O Seaghdha
Please, please, please, can we not use this stupid [unicode] addition to the subject line. I agree with all the points that have been made against it so far. It's redundant, it wastes space and makes it harder to visually find the message you want in a list. Because this is such a

[unicode] Re: Moving mail lists

2001-03-22 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Sean O Seaghdha wrote: Please, please, please, can we not use this stupid [unicode] addition to the subject line. I agree with all the points that have been made against it so far. It's redundant, it wastes space and makes it harder to visually find the message

[unicode] Re: UCS-2 Files

2001-03-22 Thread mbrown
When is a byte not eight bits? The Web version of the Oxford English Dictionary (http://dictionary.oed.com) says a byte is always eight bits: Well, just my cursory research shows that to be an overstatement. http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?query=byte says: A byte may

[unicode] Re: Moving mail lists

2001-03-22 Thread Ayers, Mike
From: Roozbeh Pournader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Sean O Seaghdha wrote: Please, please, please, can we not use this stupid [unicode] addition to the subject line. I agree with all the points that have been made against it so far. It's redundant, it

[unicode] Poll of the day

2001-03-22 Thread Sarasvati
Here by popular demand is the poll of the day... http://www.unicode.org/~sarasvati/poll.html

[unicode] Helpful info

2001-03-22 Thread Sarasvati
As promised earlier today, below is some helpful information about new mail list options. The single most requested feature of all time on this list has been digest mode. It is now available. Also by popular demand, I have instituted quotation quotas on this list. If you exercise reasonable

[unicode] More about spam

2001-03-22 Thread Sarasvati
Recently Unicode, Inc. has undertaken to change the machine, the ISP, the mail list software, and the web service all within a short period of time. The combination of changes in sendmail configuration and mail list software mean that we are still in a potentially vulnerable state with respect